What the hell happened in Wisconsin?
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You really want me to find proven facts that the rest of Europe and beyond treat their people with more respect that American police do. Give me a break. You people supporting the police and their goodness by seeing this issue as a black and white issue have some kind of blockage that disallows reality from entering the brain. This is whats going on in America, if you choose to not recognize reality, you do live in denial. There's not much more that can be said about it. I can post thousands of articles and you guys refuse to verify the truth.HughFreakingDillon said:
I read your pieces on the Czech Republic. What I would like to know, is all of the pertinent information you failed to provide; statibackseatLover12 said:What question? I have tried to answer them all.
Oh, so taking a cop's view of it all that specifies the law and why they don't shoot in the leg is supporting my view? Showing how the Czech Republic have a bit of humanity in their force merely supports my view? This is how the rest of the world lives... With HUMILITY. Those articles explained the semantics they use in training to make officers and people like you believe that shooting in the chest is merely shooting to harm, not to kill.
OK.
You showed how one country, with an extremely low crime rate, lives. Not the rest of the world. You cherry picked one nation's policies and procedures to suit your agenda.backseatLover12 said:What question? I have tried to answer them all.
Oh, so taking a cop's view of it all that specifies the law and why they don't shoot in the leg is supporting my view? Showing how the Czech Republic have a bit of humanity in their force merely supports my view? This is how the rest of the world lives... With HUMILITY. Those articles explained the semantics they use in training to make officers and people like you believe that shooting in the chest is merely shooting to harm, not to kill.
OK.
I have seen documentaries and info pieces on that very subject which directly refute the claims made in your piece. From so-called "liberal media".
I have never shot a gun, nor will I ever, so I cannot speak from personal experience, but logic tells me that in the heat of the situation, shooting at anything but central mass is going to result in one thing a majority of the time: death of the cop/innocents. And your piece also stated that the Czecs do the same thing when being shot at; even worse, actually: two in the chest and one in the head. That is called execution. I have never once heard any report ever of any North American law enforcement agency training to shoot for the head.
you simply, and unfortunately, cannot compare any other country's gun culture and the ramifications of it with any other country. It has been attempted, and failed. Michael Moore tried to compare it to Canada. People here have just as many guns as Americans do. But civilians and cops don't kill at nearly the same rate as Americans do. Remember, gun culture isn't only about the criminals. It affects those who have to deal with that culture on a daily basis.
Should it change? Of course it should. Will it change? No, it won't.
What I would like to see, and really, I think the only legitimate comparison that could be made, is take cops from the US, and cops from other nations, and study their reaction times and methods in simulated scenarios.
As an aside, personal jabs won't get you very far around here. Be as passionate as you like, but this outright arrogance is a little off-putting, especially since it is clear this is nothing more than your opinion, not expertise.
That Czech article specified that they don't shoot at all until the person starts shooting at police. Then and only then do they start shooting and defensively to kill. That seems plausible, but American police start shooting if someone has a toy gun in their hand. Or better yet, no weapon at all.
Things won't change because people won't open their eyes to the reality. There you go with it's my opinion again. Are you denying the national problem of police brutality and minorities? That's not an opinion, and that's what I'm talking about. And how about how it's conscionable to kill a man on the ground with 4 officers on him?0 -
No,yes and of course.That one Gambs I wish a little more forethought went into the situation and also think that particular officer jumped the gun.rgambs said:
That's a stretch. He found the gun when he was away from home.rr165892 said:
Some parental oversight may have been in order here.Last-12-Exit said:
What is the middle ground you are searching for? I do not think Tamir Rice should have been killed. Consider the call that the cops heard from the dispatcher. I'm sorry, I can't remember it word for word but it went something like "person with a gun pointing it at people in the park." There was no mention that it was a child or that the gun may have been a toy as the caller said in her 911 call. The cops pull up and see this kid with a gun, that regardless of what anyone says, looks real. He was shot. That sucks, it really does. From a police stand point however, what else could they have done? Imagine for a minute if that had been an actual crazy person with an actual gun. Had the police been nonchalant about it, one if not both of them could have been killed.rgambs said:
Sorry for the out of line tone to you as well.Last-12-Exit said:
I do not give unconditional support to police. Unjustified shootings should be prosecuted. The problem is that you guys find wrong doing in the justified shootings. The Tamir rice shooting will probably go down as justified. I believe where they (the cops) screwed up is falsifying the report not knowing it was on tape.rgambs said:
Yeah because just listening worked out so well for Tamir Rice and John Crawford and countless others. You can rant and rave about CRIMINALS all you want, people who aren't breaking the law will continue to be shot and killed because of the unconditional support people like you give to police.Last-12-Exit said:It amazes me to hear some of you defend the criminals of this country. Once again, some of you throw blame in the wrong direction. Poor training, over zealous police, and racism is is the reason in your eyes. Forget about the fact that these guys ARE BREAKING THE LAW. The argument of "assault shouldn't result in the death penalty" is tiresome. No, it shouldnt. If the ass holes had just bothered to have his day in court.
Since when is the life of a cop more important than the life of the criminal? When the criminal decided he wanted to reach for the cops gun, or assault the officer. That's when. And that's not a choice made by the cop. It was made by the CRIMINAL. Most of you guys want to hang the cop before the evidence is publicly known. (See Darren Wilson). Hell, even when the evidence is out there, most of you will find a way to make excuses for the criminal.
America's police force doesn't need better training. They need the support of the people they protect. Here's the bottom line: if you just listen to them, they won't shoot you. Why can't some of you understand this concept? There is no excuse for what Michael Brown did. Or this guy in Wisconsin. They deserved what they got. Not because they were black, or poor, or mentally ill. Because they were stupid. Because they didn't listen. Because they HIT A POLICE OFFICER. When has that ever been acceptable?
Publicly bashing every cop that shoots somebody is not the answer. Yes, there have been unjustified killings by police over the years. But not every one is unjustified. Most of them are 100% justified.
That being said, you say you don't give unconditional support and then go on to defend the police murdering a 12 yr old boy without even giving him the benefit of 5 seconds to do right or wrong. The tape is clear, he threatened no one and the cops gunned him down before he had a chance to comply with the orders they claim to have given. "Over the years"???? How about every year if not every month. "Most of them are 100% justified"... There is no middle ground?
Can't a shooting be 75% justified? That's a problem BSLs links point to, it's all or none with police and their weapons, never a middle ground.
Your language sounds more like unconditional support than a true case by case analysis, because you give extraordinary weight to the cops in the balance of every situation.
When the police gave their accounts of what happened, they lied. Had they come out and told the truth, nothing would happen to them. I have not read anything about that case in a while so I do not know if they have been fired, or quit, or administrative leave.
My point is that their is no middle ground. Hindsight is always 20/20 and the benefit of the doubt should not go to the criminals.
Did your parents keep you from roaming the neighborhood when you were 12??
Did your parents keep you from playing with guns??
At 12 did you never do stupid things?0 -
Yeah it is a real tragedy for sure, I can't imagine.rr165892 said:
No,yes and of course.That one Gambs I wish a little more forethought went into the situation and also think that particular officer jumped the gun.rgambs said:
That's a stretch. He found the gun when he was away from home.rr165892 said:
Some parental oversight may have been in order here.Last-12-Exit said:
What is the middle ground you are searching for? I do not think Tamir Rice should have been killed. Consider the call that the cops heard from the dispatcher. I'm sorry, I can't remember it word for word but it went something like "person with a gun pointing it at people in the park." There was no mention that it was a child or that the gun may have been a toy as the caller said in her 911 call. The cops pull up and see this kid with a gun, that regardless of what anyone says, looks real. He was shot. That sucks, it really does. From a police stand point however, what else could they have done? Imagine for a minute if that had been an actual crazy person with an actual gun. Had the police been nonchalant about it, one if not both of them could have been killed.rgambs said:
Sorry for the out of line tone to you as well.Last-12-Exit said:
I do not give unconditional support to police. Unjustified shootings should be prosecuted. The problem is that you guys find wrong doing in the justified shootings. The Tamir rice shooting will probably go down as justified. I believe where they (the cops) screwed up is falsifying the report not knowing it was on tape.rgambs said:
Yeah because just listening worked out so well for Tamir Rice and John Crawford and countless others. You can rant and rave about CRIMINALS all you want, people who aren't breaking the law will continue to be shot and killed because of the unconditional support people like you give to police.Last-12-Exit said:It amazes me to hear some of you defend the criminals of this country. Once again, some of you throw blame in the wrong direction. Poor training, over zealous police, and racism is is the reason in your eyes. Forget about the fact that these guys ARE BREAKING THE LAW. The argument of "assault shouldn't result in the death penalty" is tiresome. No, it shouldnt. If the ass holes had just bothered to have his day in court.
Since when is the life of a cop more important than the life of the criminal? When the criminal decided he wanted to reach for the cops gun, or assault the officer. That's when. And that's not a choice made by the cop. It was made by the CRIMINAL. Most of you guys want to hang the cop before the evidence is publicly known. (See Darren Wilson). Hell, even when the evidence is out there, most of you will find a way to make excuses for the criminal.
America's police force doesn't need better training. They need the support of the people they protect. Here's the bottom line: if you just listen to them, they won't shoot you. Why can't some of you understand this concept? There is no excuse for what Michael Brown did. Or this guy in Wisconsin. They deserved what they got. Not because they were black, or poor, or mentally ill. Because they were stupid. Because they didn't listen. Because they HIT A POLICE OFFICER. When has that ever been acceptable?
Publicly bashing every cop that shoots somebody is not the answer. Yes, there have been unjustified killings by police over the years. But not every one is unjustified. Most of them are 100% justified.
That being said, you say you don't give unconditional support and then go on to defend the police murdering a 12 yr old boy without even giving him the benefit of 5 seconds to do right or wrong. The tape is clear, he threatened no one and the cops gunned him down before he had a chance to comply with the orders they claim to have given. "Over the years"???? How about every year if not every month. "Most of them are 100% justified"... There is no middle ground?
Can't a shooting be 75% justified? That's a problem BSLs links point to, it's all or none with police and their weapons, never a middle ground.
Your language sounds more like unconditional support than a true case by case analysis, because you give extraordinary weight to the cops in the balance of every situation.
When the police gave their accounts of what happened, they lied. Had they come out and told the truth, nothing would happen to them. I have not read anything about that case in a while so I do not know if they have been fired, or quit, or administrative leave.
My point is that their is no middle ground. Hindsight is always 20/20 and the benefit of the doubt should not go to the criminals.
Did your parents keep you from roaming the neighborhood when you were 12??
Did your parents keep you from playing with guns??
At 12 did you never do stupid things?Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Good post PaulHughFreakingDillon said:
I read your pieces on the Czech Republic. What I would like to know, is all of the pertinent information you failed to provide; statibackseatLover12 said:What question? I have tried to answer them all.
Oh, so taking a cop's view of it all that specifies the law and why they don't shoot in the leg is supporting my view? Showing how the Czech Republic have a bit of humanity in their force merely supports my view? This is how the rest of the world lives... With HUMILITY. Those articles explained the semantics they use in training to make officers and people like you believe that shooting in the chest is merely shooting to harm, not to kill.
OK.
You showed how one country, with an extremely low crime rate, lives. Not the rest of the world. You cherry picked one nation's policies and procedures to suit your agenda.backseatLover12 said:What question? I have tried to answer them all.
Oh, so taking a cop's view of it all that specifies the law and why they don't shoot in the leg is supporting my view? Showing how the Czech Republic have a bit of humanity in their force merely supports my view? This is how the rest of the world lives... With HUMILITY. Those articles explained the semantics they use in training to make officers and people like you believe that shooting in the chest is merely shooting to harm, not to kill.
OK.
I have seen documentaries and info pieces on that very subject which directly refute the claims made in your piece. From so-called "liberal media".
I have never shot a gun, nor will I ever, so I cannot speak from personal experience, but logic tells me that in the heat of the situation, shooting at anything but central mass is going to result in one thing a majority of the time: death of the cop/innocents. And your piece also stated that the Czecs do the same thing when being shot at; even worse, actually: two in the chest and one in the head. That is called execution. I have never once heard any report ever of any North American law enforcement agency training to shoot for the head.
you simply, and unfortunately, cannot compare any other country's gun culture and the ramifications of it with any other country. It has been attempted, and failed. Michael Moore tried to compare it to Canada. People here have just as many guns as Americans do. But civilians and cops don't kill at nearly the same rate as Americans do. Remember, gun culture isn't only about the criminals. It affects those who have to deal with that culture on a daily basis.
Should it change? Of course it should. Will it change? No, it won't.
What I would like to see, and really, I think the only legitimate comparison that could be made, is take cops from the US, and cops from other nations, and study their reaction times and methods in simulated scenarios.
As an aside, personal jabs won't get you very far around here. Be as passionate as you like, but this outright arrogance is a little off-putting, especially since it is clear this is nothing more than your opinion, not expertise.0 -
A. Your assuming I had credibility to begin with.backseatLover12 said:
You've lost all credibility rr, with your labels as well. Good luck with that "all is black and white" perspective. It never serves anyone well. It's like you people are some insecure team of people who can't function without the others to piggyback on. You, like the others, read what you want, regardless of how many times we point out the real problems of this country. Continue to live in happy denial. And I'm a lady as well, so whatever.rr165892 said:Boy,I'm glad I haven't jumped I on this one in a while,but I can see some things never change.BSL hates the police,our country and the sky is falling.While it seems the vast majority of other posters cleary have common sense and understand what's up.Thx Hedo,Jeff,Last,30,Dan for thinking clearly.Voices of reason.
Oh and BSL,you do know Hedo is a Lady right? One which many of us consider in high regard.Just saying,before you come at her like a spider monkey.
B.relax,take a breath and see what's good every once in while.
C.im anything but insecure,just the opposite actually.
D.What??? Your female?how about dem apples.You learn something new everyday on these boards.
E,How is the Chech republic law enforcement a proper comparison?Post edited by rr165892 on0 -
It doesn't have to be a perfect comparison. It just shows that there are law enforcement officials with higher standards on force than we have and works against the myth that shooting at the legs can't be effective.rr165892 said:
A. Your assuming I had credibility to begin with.backseatLover12 said:
You've lost all credibility rr, with your labels as well. Good luck with that "all is black and white" perspective. It never serves anyone well. It's like you people are some insecure team of people who can't function without the others to piggyback on. You, like the others, read what you want, regardless of how many times we point out the real problems of this country. Continue to live in happy denial. And I'm a lady as well, so whatever.rr165892 said:Boy,I'm glad I haven't jumped I on this one in a while,but I can see some things never change.BSL hates the police,our country and the sky is falling.While it seems the vast majority of other posters cleary have common sense and understand what's up.Thx Hedo,Jeff,Last,30,Dan for thinking clearly.Voices of reason.
Oh and BSL,you do know Hedo is a Lady right? One which many of us consider in high regard.Just saying,before you come at her like a spider monkey.
B.relax,take a breath and see what's good every once in while.
C.im anything but insecure,just the opposite actually.
D.What??? Your female?how about dem apples.You learn something new everyday on these boards.
E,How is the Chech republic law enforcement a proper comparison?
If you can't bring someone down with 9 bullets in quick succession you have no business in the business! As pointed out, a lower trajectory would be safer for bystanders...it isn't a solution for every problem, but it ought to be in the fucking tool box!Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Remember split second life or death descisions most the time.Aiming for broadest target is proper protocol.We must put ourselves in the officers shoes.They want to go home and tuck their kids into bed and kiss their spouses.Hindsight of course is a clarifying view.But we all know most the time that's a luxury these officers don't have.rgambs said:
It doesn't have to be a perfect comparison. It just shows that there are law enforcement officials with higher standards on force than we have and works against the myth that shooting at the legs can't be effective.rr165892 said:
A. Your assuming I had credibility to begin with.backseatLover12 said:
You've lost all credibility rr, with your labels as well. Good luck with that "all is black and white" perspective. It never serves anyone well. It's like you people are some insecure team of people who can't function without the others to piggyback on. You, like the others, read what you want, regardless of how many times we point out the real problems of this country. Continue to live in happy denial. And I'm a lady as well, so whatever.rr165892 said:Boy,I'm glad I haven't jumped I on this one in a while,but I can see some things never change.BSL hates the police,our country and the sky is falling.While it seems the vast majority of other posters cleary have common sense and understand what's up.Thx Hedo,Jeff,Last,30,Dan for thinking clearly.Voices of reason.
Oh and BSL,you do know Hedo is a Lady right? One which many of us consider in high regard.Just saying,before you come at her like a spider monkey.
B.relax,take a breath and see what's good every once in while.
C.im anything but insecure,just the opposite actually.
D.What??? Your female?how about dem apples.You learn something new everyday on these boards.
E,How is the Chech republic law enforcement a proper comparison?
If you can't bring someone down with 9 bullets in quick succession you have no business in the business! As pointed out, a lower trajectory would be safer for bystanders...it isn't a solution for every problem, but it ought to be in the fucking tool box!
Speaking of what's in the tool box.Would tranquilizer rounds that stop elephants or Buffaloes work.Just spit balling here.0 -
Fail.Post edited by brianlux on"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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I understand the split second issue, but that's what intense training is for... You create muscle memory and make reactions nearly aautomatic. If training involves non-lethal shooting it would save lives. The chest shots are still an option in the nearly inconceivable scenario where a suspect continues to advance on legs that have holes in them.rr165892 said:
Remember split second life or death descisions most the time.Aiming for broadest target is proper protocol.We must put ourselves in the officers shoes.They want to go home and tuck their kids into bed and kiss their spouses.Hindsight of course is a clarifying view.But we all know most the time that's a luxury these officers don't have.rgambs said:
It doesn't have to be a perfect comparison. It just shows that there are law enforcement officials with higher standards on force than we have and works against the myth that shooting at the legs can't be effective.rr165892 said:
A. Your assuming I had credibility to begin with.backseatLover12 said:
You've lost all credibility rr, with your labels as well. Good luck with that "all is black and white" perspective. It never serves anyone well. It's like you people are some insecure team of people who can't function without the others to piggyback on. You, like the others, read what you want, regardless of how many times we point out the real problems of this country. Continue to live in happy denial. And I'm a lady as well, so whatever.rr165892 said:Boy,I'm glad I haven't jumped I on this one in a while,but I can see some things never change.BSL hates the police,our country and the sky is falling.While it seems the vast majority of other posters cleary have common sense and understand what's up.Thx Hedo,Jeff,Last,30,Dan for thinking clearly.Voices of reason.
Oh and BSL,you do know Hedo is a Lady right? One which many of us consider in high regard.Just saying,before you come at her like a spider monkey.
B.relax,take a breath and see what's good every once in while.
C.im anything but insecure,just the opposite actually.
D.What??? Your female?how about dem apples.You learn something new everyday on these boards.
E,How is the Chech republic law enforcement a proper comparison?
If you can't bring someone down with 9 bullets in quick succession you have no business in the business! As pointed out, a lower trajectory would be safer for bystanders...it isn't a solution for every problem, but it ought to be in the fucking tool box!
Speaking of what's in the tool box.Would tranquilizer rounds that stop elephants or Buffaloes work.Just spit balling here.
I know I know, I am asking alot of police, but shouldn't we demand excellence and nothing less from the only members of our society in which we entrust the authority to end life based on split second judgements?Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
You can never be trained well enough to prepare yourself for something like that. Ask anyone who saw the battlefield for the first time.0
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That brings up the interesting question of how many of these incidents happen with new officers, compared to seasoned cops? I don't have those stats, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that these are "first timers".Last-12-Exit said:You can never be trained well enough to prepare yourself for something like that. Ask anyone who saw the battlefield for the first time.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
I'll have to dig up some stats, but was just reading last week somewhere that the percentage of cops who never fire their weapons in the line of duty is actually quite high, so it is pretty likely that most of the incidents involving shootings are "first timers" even with veteran cops. It isn't like seasoned cops have a long list if shoot outs they've been involved in. I'll see what I can dig up.oftenreading said:
That brings up the interesting question of how many of these incidents happen with new officers, compared to seasoned cops? I don't have those stats, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that these are "first timers".Last-12-Exit said:You can never be trained well enough to prepare yourself for something like that. Ask anyone who saw the battlefield for the first time.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
People seem to be confused about what the middle way might look like. My idea of the middle way is appropriate judgment on the unique characteristics of each case:
The Rice and Thomas cases were examples of police brutality where officers abused their positions of power and killed people performing poorly. Almost everybody agrees with this.
The Brown case had too many variables that ultimately supported the cop. Some continue to shrug off those variables in their eagerness to add to their argument. It has the reverse effect in my mind. Likewise, when a knife wielding maniac charged two cops and was shot, people suggested the cops could have kept circling their car or even get in it and wait until the maniac calmed down... which... of course, is silly. Like it or not, the cops were justified.
* And I love how indignant some have become when I referred to people consistently trying to shape every police shooting into another unjustified incident that should sound alarms for the nation as 'the anti-police contingency'. They so easily forget how effortlessly some toss out 'apologist' or describe them (ironically considering what I am about to add) as having 'blockages to the brain'.
I'm not surprised though: when one is consumed by their visions and ideals to the point of self-righteousness... they operate in a less than ideal state of mind for true discussion. If your mind is closed and you have it all figured out... why come to this forum other than to flaunt your opinion and heave insults, Backseat Lover?"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Speaking of knife-wielding maniacs, that incident in New Orleans where the guy armed with a machete and wasp spray attacked several TSA agents...he was shot (not sure where) and survived. But had he been killed by those shots, I wouldn't blame the sheriff holding the gun.0
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And the theories behind any findings would be interesting to examine as well.oftenreading said:
That brings up the interesting question of how many of these incidents happen with new officers, compared to seasoned cops? I don't have those stats, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that these are "first timers".Last-12-Exit said:You can never be trained well enough to prepare yourself for something like that. Ask anyone who saw the battlefield for the first time.
For example, if it was discovered that only a small number of shootings occur by the hand of cops within the first 5 years of service... is this because they exercised more leniency? Meaning: new cops may not have developed a hardened disposition or racist attitude yet?
Further, if one was inclined to perform such an analysis, I think they would need to couple it with a data driven incident report that details experience relevant to injuries or deaths on the job. In other words, establish or negate a correlation between passive police work and injuries sustained as a result for such."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Typical day in New Orleans.Ehh.....hedonist said:Speaking of knife-wielding maniacs, that incident in New Orleans where the guy armed with a machete and wasp spray attacked several TSA agents...he was shot (not sure where) and survived. But had he been killed by those shots, I wouldn't blame the sheriff holding the gun.
What a Dbag.Another stand up member of society that deserves all he gets.I could care less about how these pieces of shit feel or get treated after their violent acts against innocent people.Fuck em.Waste of air.0 -
Exactly!!!!! This thread is getting dumber by the day, yet very entertaining.Last-12-Exit said:You can never be trained well enough to prepare yourself for something like that. Ask anyone who saw the battlefield for the first time.
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But you know that there are people on here who would suggest that the sheriff should have given the machete wieldiing maniac a hug rather then shooting him 3 times.rr165892 said:
Typical day in New Orleans.Ehh.....hedonist said:Speaking of knife-wielding maniacs, that incident in New Orleans where the guy armed with a machete and wasp spray attacked several TSA agents...he was shot (not sure where) and survived. But had he been killed by those shots, I wouldn't blame the sheriff holding the gun.
What a Dbag.Another stand up member of society that deserves all he gets.I could care less about how these pieces of shit feel or get treated after their violent acts against innocent people.Fuck em.Waste of air.0 -
Crazy indeed Bentley.But so right.Bentleyspop said:
But you know that there are people on here who would suggest that the sheriff should have given the machete wieldiing maniac a hug rather then shooting him 3 times.rr165892 said:
Typical day in New Orleans.Ehh.....hedonist said:Speaking of knife-wielding maniacs, that incident in New Orleans where the guy armed with a machete and wasp spray attacked several TSA agents...he was shot (not sure where) and survived. But had he been killed by those shots, I wouldn't blame the sheriff holding the gun.
What a Dbag.Another stand up member of society that deserves all he gets.I could care less about how these pieces of shit feel or get treated after their violent acts against innocent people.Fuck em.Waste of air.0 -
Oh yeah, I've seen that suggestion made dozens of times in this thread. Don't you hate it when that happens?Bentleyspop said:
But you know that there are people on here who would suggest that the sheriff should have given the machete wieldiing maniac a hug rather then shooting him 3 times.rr165892 said:
Typical day in New Orleans.Ehh.....hedonist said:Speaking of knife-wielding maniacs, that incident in New Orleans where the guy armed with a machete and wasp spray attacked several TSA agents...he was shot (not sure where) and survived. But had he been killed by those shots, I wouldn't blame the sheriff holding the gun.
What a Dbag.Another stand up member of society that deserves all he gets.I could care less about how these pieces of shit feel or get treated after their violent acts against innocent people.Fuck em.Waste of air.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0
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