Now back to Israel as usual

If you needed further evidence of how snowed by the media we are on this topic in the west, I give you exhibit A, from the 'newspaper of record':
http://mondoweiss.net/2015/03/published-netanyahus-rewrote

mondoweiss and newsdiff making the NYT look like the pandering idiots they are, as per....can't just tell it like it is, eh?

badbrains said:

BS44325 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

BS44325 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

give bibi more rope and he will hang himself.

his statements the last 3 days will further isolate israel in the eyes of the international community, excluding the us, that is...

The "international community" doesn't really exist as an entity that can change the status quo. Egypt has declared Hamas to be a terrorist organization. Jordan, The UAE and Saudi Arabia now align themselves with Israel against Iran. Canada, Australia, and others are staunchly pro-Israel and in a couple of years the Obama foreign policy which pressured Israel more then any previous US administration will be over. The ICC and the UN have no muscle without the involvement of the above players being on board. The reality on the ground is that until Palestinians rid themselves of the Islamofascists that have co-opted their movement no progress can or will be made. It is time for deep introspection for all those that support the Palestinian cause.

one man's "islamofascist" is another man's freedom fighter.

austalia is very critical of israel. they will be moreso now. most of europe is going to turn on israel, all they will have left is the united states, and with icy relations, they will be more and more isolated.

bibi wants war. and he is gonna get it.

Who is going to give it to him? Is there a coalition of the willing planning regime change?

It is time for some of you to join reality. Israel is not going away.

Reality is no one is saying Israel is going away, but the sad thing is your man bibi is saying Palestine will go away. How's that for shitty reality?

Bibi ain't my man. Completely indifferent to who won or lost as it actually would make no different on the ground. With Hamas calling the shots on behalf of Palestine there is no partner for peace. That is reality.

BS44325 said:

badbrains said:

BS44325 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

BS44325 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

give bibi more rope and he will hang himself.

his statements the last 3 days will further isolate israel in the eyes of the international community, excluding the us, that is...

The "international community" doesn't really exist as an entity that can change the status quo. Egypt has declared Hamas to be a terrorist organization. Jordan, The UAE and Saudi Arabia now align themselves with Israel against Iran. Canada, Australia, and others are staunchly pro-Israel and in a couple of years the Obama foreign policy which pressured Israel more then any previous US administration will be over. The ICC and the UN have no muscle without the involvement of the above players being on board. The reality on the ground is that until Palestinians rid themselves of the Islamofascists that have co-opted their movement no progress can or will be made. It is time for deep introspection for all those that support the Palestinian cause.

one man's "islamofascist" is another man's freedom fighter.

austalia is very critical of israel. they will be moreso now. most of europe is going to turn on israel, all they will have left is the united states, and with icy relations, they will be more and more isolated.

bibi wants war. and he is gonna get it.

Who is going to give it to him? Is there a coalition of the willing planning regime change?

It is time for some of you to join reality. Israel is not going away.

Reality is no one is saying Israel is going away, but the sad thing is your man bibi is saying Palestine will go away. How's that for shitty reality?

Bibi ain't my man. Completely indifferent to who won or lost as it actually would make no different on the ground. With Hamas calling the shots on behalf of Palestine there is no partner for peace. That is reality.

hamas is NOT THE CAUSE OF THE CONFLICT. hamas is a SYMPTOM OF THE ILLEGAL OCCUPATION.

peace rests with israel. the bigges barrier to peace in the entire region is israel.

if israel does not work for peace, there is no peace. period. end of story. if israel wanted peace, and direct negotiations with the palestinians, they would stop building illegal settlements instead of expanding them.

Netanyahu Will Make History

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/19/opinion/thomas-friedman-bibi-will-make-history.html?_r=1

Well, it’s pretty clear now: Benjamin Netanyahu is going to be a major figure in Israeli history — not because he’s heading to become the longest-serving Israeli prime minister, but because he’s heading to be the most impactful. Having won the Israeli elections — in part by declaring that he will never permit a two state-solution between Israelis and Palestinians — it means Netanyahu will be the father of the one-state solution. And the one-state solution means that Israel will become, in time, either a non-Jewish democracy or Jewish non-democracy.

Yes, sir, Bibi is going to make history. And the leader in the world who is most happy that Netanyahu ran on — and won on — a one-state solution is the Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Oh, my goodness. They must have been doing high-fives and “Allahu akbars” all night in the ruling circles of Tehran when they saw how low Bibi sank to win. What better way to isolate Israel globally and deflect attention from Iran’s behavior?

The biggest losers in all of this, besides all the Israelis who did not vote for Netanyahu, are American Jews and non-Jews who support Israel. What Bibi did to win this election was move the Likud Party from a center-right party to a far-right one. The additional votes he got were all grabbed from the other far-right parties — not from the center. When the official government of Israel is a far-right party that rejects a two-state solution and employs anti-Arab dog whistles to get elected, it will split the basic unity of the American Jewish community on Israel. How many American Jews want to defend a one-state solution in Washington or on their college campuses? Is Aipac, the Israel lobby, now going to push for a one-state solution on Capitol Hill? How many Democrats and Republicans would endorse that?

Warning: Real trouble ahead.

You cannot win that dirty and just walk away like nothing happened. In the days before Israelis went to the polls, Netanyahu was asked by the Israeli news site, NRG, if it was true that a Palestinian state would never be formed on his watch as prime minister, Netanyahu replied, “Indeed,” adding: “Anyone who is going to establish a Palestinian state, anyone who is going to evacuate territories today, is simply giving a base for attacks to the radical Islam against Israel.”

This makes null and void his speech in June 2009 at Bar Ilan University, where Netanyahu had laid out a different “vision of peace,” saying: “In this small land of ours, two peoples live freely, side by side, in amity and mutual respect. Each will have its own flag, its own national anthem, its own government. Neither will threaten the security or survival of the other.” Provided the Palestinian state recognizes Israel’s Jewish character and accepts demilitarization, he added, “We will be ready in a future peace agreement to reach a solution where a demilitarized Palestinian state exists alongside the Jewish state.”

Now, if there are not going to be two states for two peoples in the area between the Jordan River and Mediterranean, then there is going to be only one state — and that one state will either be a Jewish democracy that systematically denies the voting rights of about one-third of its people or it will be a democracy and systematically erodes the Jewish character of Israel.

Just look at the numbers: In 2014, the estimated Palestinian Arab population of the West Bank was 2.72 million, with roughly 40 percent under the age of 14. There are already 1.7 million Israeli Arabs citizens — who assembled all their parties together in the latest election onto one list and came in third. Together, the West Bankers and Israeli Arabs constitute 4.4 million people. There are 6.2 million Israeli Jews. According to statistics from the Jewish Virtual Library, the Jewish population of Israel grew by 1.7 percent over the past year, and the Arab population grew by 2.2 percent.

If there is only one state, Israel cannot be Jewish and permit West Bank Palestinians to exercise any voting rights alongside Israeli Arabs. But if Israel is one state and wants to be democratic, how does it continue depriving West Bankers of the vote — when you can be sure they will make it their No. 1 demand.

I doubt, in the heat of the campaign, Netanyahu gave any of this much thought when he tossed the two-state solution out the window of his campaign bus in a successful 11th-hour grab for far-right voters. To be sure, he could disavow his two-state disavowal tomorrow. It would not surprise me. He is that cynical. But, if he doesn’t — if the official platform of his new government is that there is no more two-state solution — it will produce both a hostile global reaction and, in time, a Palestinian move in the West Bank for voting rights in Israel, combined with an attempt to put Israel in the docket in the International Criminal Court. How far is the Obama administration going to go in defending Israel after it officially rejects a two-state solution? I don’t know. But we’ll be in a new world.

No one on the planet will enjoy watching Israel and America caught on the horns of this dilemma more than the clerical regime in Tehran. It is a godsend for them. Iran’s unstated position is that the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem must be perpetuated forever. Because few things serve Iran’s interests more than having radical Jewish settlers in a never-ending grinding conflict with Palestinians — and the more bloodshed and squashing of any two-state diplomatic options the better. Because, in that conflict, the Palestinians are almost always depicted as the underdogs and the Israelis as the bullies trying to deprive them of basic rights.
From Iran’s point of view, it makes fantastic TV on Al Jazeera, and all the European networks; it undermines Israel’s legitimacy with the young generation on college campuses around the globe; and it keeps the whole world much more focused on Israeli civil rights abuses against Palestinians rather than the massive civil rights abuses perpetrated by the Iranian regime against its own people.

It is stunning how much Bibi’s actions serve Tehran’s strategic interests.

And that is why I am certain that Benjamin Netanyahu is going to be a historic, very impactful prime minister in Jewish history. I just hope that — somehow — a Jewish democratic Israel survives his tenure.

Surprise!!

Netanyahu 'still committed' to Palestinian statehood

In interview, Israel PM denies changing his stance on two-state solution during successful re-election bid.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/03/netanyahu-committed-palestinian-statehood-150319213444662.html

BS44325 said:

badbrains said:

BS44325 said:

Again....no matter what side of the issue you are on...this is reality:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/415690/no-peace-any-time-soon-not-because-bibi-charles-krauthammer

Who is Israel supposed to make a deal with?

An article written by a Zionist, gee, I wonder which way this article is going to lean. Come on man, u can do better then that. Or not.

You do realize that the Palestinians need to negotiate with zionists don't you?

A just settlement cannot be reached if you ignore them. You are proving my point that Israel has no one to negotiate with.

do you honestly believe they wish to negotiate?