Anti-Gun Sean Penn to star in the Gunman

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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    rgambs said:

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    HughFreakingDillon said:

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    lolobugg said:


    I think I should have a personal freedom to walk down the street without worrying if someone is carrying a concealed weapon in their waistband.

    Why? If that person is legally carrying, you should never see the concealed weapon come out of their waistband. If they are concealing illegally and it comes out of their waistband, there are already laws in place for that and I support using those laws to punish the offender with maximum sentences.
    lolobugg said:


    why not try it? prohibition worked... but there were some people that still found a way to get the stuff. but I bet Henry Ford's production numbers went up.

    Prohibition worked? You may be the first person I've ever seen say this. Prohibition didn't work. And current prohibitions on drugs don't currently work, unless by work you mean create a black market, create more criminals, require more prison space to house these criminals and create a mechanism for gov'ts to eat away at our freedoms.
    The suggestion here seems to be that people who have conceal carry permits don't shoot people but this is certainly not true.
    I think the suggestion is that if the person is LEGALLY carrying, you won't see the gun. as soon as the gun comes out, it is now illegal ujnless for self defence. am I right?

    That's what I'm suggesting, Hugh. If someone (who is a law abiding citizen with a carry permit) is carrying concealed, one should never see it and never know. If that person pulls their firearm and uses it legitimately for the purposes of self-defense, then there should be no issue. If that person pulls it out for any other reason in public and starts waiving it around, they are no longer acting in a legal manner since that is generally considered brandishing, which is a crime.

    Gambs, people who have conceal carry permits do shoot people. But if they do so unlawfully, they should be hit with every punishment afforded by law. If they do so lawfully, then I have no issue with that, since the reason they lawfully did so was in defense of life.
    Yeah, but punishment doesn't do anything to chamge what's already happened, due to the fact that said person was given permission to conceal carry.
    But isn't that how most freedoms work? You get to enjoy them until you abuse them. Then you lose them. I like that process flow better than the alternative of losing them because someone else might abuse them. I shouldn't be penalized for someone else's worry, or for someone else's actions. But I should be penalized for my own bad actions.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • goingtoverona
    goingtoverona Posts: 616
    @lolo, you didn't really answer my question. you gave me a punishment for those caught committing crimes against people. i want to know, if i'm walking down the street(with no gun) and a man comes up to rob or kill me, how do you suppose i defend against that. what is your average person suppose to do against an armed criminal with a gun? because it feels like your answer is for people to just suck it up and let it happen, hope that you don't die. if that's the case, in my opinion of course, i think my right to survive trumps your right to not be scared about people carrying guns.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,841
    I figure all this means is that he's not fanatical. He knows the difference between fantasy and reality.
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  • goingtoverona
    goingtoverona Posts: 616
    personally I would have a lot more respect and consideration if these guys came out and said, hey world, I was offered this role in a movie but turned it down because it glorified guns and gun violence which I consider to be a very serious problem and I believe starring in movies that glorify guns and violence...... glorifies guns and violence.
    Rather than, hey world, come check out my new movie where I make guns look totally cool and badass but you know what world?, guns are not cool and badass.....no matter how cool and badass I make them look.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,716
    According to the article linked below (which is about a year old) Penn was a gun collector until recently and then changed his feelings about guns. The movie was probably being made at the time of his change of stance on guns. If those assumptions are correct, Penn would likely have had no choice but to have the movie released, especially if he was already under contract-- which would negate all of the criticism about him being a hypocrite. Interesting how these details seem to get overlooked.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/15/charlize-therons-love-prompts-sean-penn-to-melt-do/
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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    It's a fucken movie and he's a fucken ACTOR
  • muskydan
    muskydan Posts: 1,013
    brianlux said:

    According to the article linked below (which is about a year old) Penn was a gun collector until recently and then changed his feelings about guns. The movie was probably being made at the time of his change of stance on guns. If those assumptions are correct, Penn would likely have had no choice but to have the movie released, especially if he was already under contract-- which would negate all of the criticism about him being a hypocrite. Interesting how these details seem to get overlooked.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/15/charlize-therons-love-prompts-sean-penn-to-melt-do/

    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.....thanks for the laugh...you guys sure adore this jerk. Why don't you find something on the Internet that absolves this asshole from his beating woman ways while your at it.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,716
    muskydan said:

    brianlux said:

    According to the article linked below (which is about a year old) Penn was a gun collector until recently and then changed his feelings about guns. The movie was probably being made at the time of his change of stance on guns. If those assumptions are correct, Penn would likely have had no choice but to have the movie released, especially if he was already under contract-- which would negate all of the criticism about him being a hypocrite. Interesting how these details seem to get overlooked.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/15/charlize-therons-love-prompts-sean-penn-to-melt-do/

    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.....thanks for the laugh...you guys sure adore this jerk. Why don't you find something on the Internet that absolves this asshole from his beating woman ways while your at it.
    Whoa there! Jumping to conclusions a bit aren't we? What have I said anywhere in this thread that would indicate I adore Sean Penn? You managed to completely miss the point I was making while trying desperately to stick with your original premise which is that Sean Penn is hypocritical over the gun issue. Frankly, my Dan, I don't give a damn.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,967
    brianlux said:

    muskydan said:

    brianlux said:

    According to the article linked below (which is about a year old) Penn was a gun collector until recently and then changed his feelings about guns. The movie was probably being made at the time of his change of stance on guns. If those assumptions are correct, Penn would likely have had no choice but to have the movie released, especially if he was already under contract-- which would negate all of the criticism about him being a hypocrite. Interesting how these details seem to get overlooked.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/15/charlize-therons-love-prompts-sean-penn-to-melt-do/

    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.....thanks for the laugh...you guys sure adore this jerk. Why don't you find something on the Internet that absolves this asshole from his beating woman ways while your at it.
    Whoa there! Jumping to conclusions a bit aren't we? What have I said anywhere in this thread that would indicate I adore Sean Penn? You managed to completely miss the point I was making while trying desperately to stick with your original premise which is that Sean Penn is hypocritical over the gun issue. Frankly, my Dan, I don't give a damn.
    +1

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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    lolobugg said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

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    HughFreakingDillon said:

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    HughFreakingDillon said:

    when someone murders someone else, they aren't thinking "shit, I might get the DP, I better not do this".

    no they are not....
    but the ones who think twice about it and don't go thru with it are.
    disagree. and studies agree with that.

    agree to disagree...
    I am talking pre-meditated murder.
    heat of the moment killings- I don't support the DP.

    statistics don't lie. in the US and elsewhere, it's the same.

    Well I could give you a history lesson of the American South where I live....
    From the 1960s until now.... some of the people have the same views now as then.
    the difference is now they can't lynch a black man with impunity.

    well, I could argue this all day.... I don't want to hijack this thread.
    I have no idea what this has to do with the point you were making earlier. but ok. in canada we learn just as much about american history as americans do. so no history lesson required.

    just trying to prove the deterrent theory....
    and doing a horrible job at it.
    I'll help you.

    The DP cannot be proven either as a deterrent, or as an ineffective deterrent, because it is so rarely used. The DP is applied in something like 0.00004% of all murders in the USA. The most well-versed scholars on the topic agree to this despite holding their opinions one way or the other.

    If the DP was applied in100% of all murders, we would likely see it serving as a deterrent.

    * No... I am not advocating for intensified usage of the DP.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • goingtoverona
    goingtoverona Posts: 616
    edited March 2015
    @blux, thanks for that article. i actually didn't even know penn was anti gun. neeson and marky mark are the only ones i knew of that consistently use guns in their movies but are vocally against the public owning guns. if the situation is as you think it might be and we won't see anymore movies of him mowing down people with guns, then i'd respect his opinion and not think he's completely full of shit or a hypocrite.

    gonna melt down my cowardly killing machines almost made me fall out of my chair laughing.
    Post edited by goingtoverona on
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,716
    goingtoverona said:

    @blux, thanks for that article. i actually didn't even know penn was anti gun. neeson and marky mark are the only ones i knew of that consistently use guns in their movies but are vocally against the public owning guns. if the situation is as you think it might be and we won't see anymore movies of him mowing down people with guns, then i'd respect his opinion and not think he's completely full of shit or a hypocrite.

    gonna melt down my cowardly killing machines almost made me fall out of my chair laughing.

    Good! This thread need a little humor goingtoverona! :smiley:

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • muskydan
    muskydan Posts: 1,013
    Oh boy did I really enjoy Bill Maher stroke off Our favorite woman beater Sean Penn tonight on Real Time. These 2 guys are a perfect fit in being full of shit. But some of you guys are right, I do think Sean Penn is a fabulous actor who is just challenging himself in his role in the Gunman. Hope you make a ton of Dough Sean....
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,716
    muskydan said:

    Oh boy did I really enjoy Bill Maher stroke off Our favorite woman beater Sean Penn tonight on Real Time. These 2 guys are a perfect fit in being full of shit. But some of you guys are right, I do think Sean Penn is a fabulous actor who is just challenging himself in his role in the Gunman. Hope you make a ton of Dough Sean....

    How about a link, por favor? The weather hasn't been right for my TV reception.
    I do miss seeing Bill Maher's show. I do adore him so!

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • EarlWelsh
    EarlWelsh Buffalo, NY Posts: 1,127
    Been watching this thread from the start and gotta say it's silly as fuck. If Sean Penn, in REAL LIFE, shot some people for fun, revenge, or any other reason, this thread would have some solid footing. BUT the man's a fucking actor. Christ!
  • goingtoverona
    goingtoverona Posts: 616
    @earl, I think what the argument is, is that some people from the anti gun side have said in the past that games like call of duty and movies like taken, glorify guns and violence and if we are to make a conscientious effort as a society to stop gun violence, we should stop making these games and movies. I guess it really boils down to your personal opinion. if you believe that games and movies encourage violence and the lack of those games and movies would save lives and change mindsets regarding guns, then thinking these people are hypocrites is a fair assessment. if you don't believe that games and movies contribute to gun violence, then I would say that I see where you're coming from on the, they're just actors attitude.

    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    I don't care at all, but a highly principled person would likely not assume a role that conflicts with their ideals if they strongly believed in them. It's the 'walk the walk' versus 'talk the talk' notion.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    EarlWelsh said:

    Been watching this thread from the start and gotta say it's silly as fuck. If Sean Penn, in REAL LIFE, shot some people for fun, revenge, or any other reason, this thread would have some solid footing. BUT the man's a fucking actor. Christ!

    This
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    Wouldn't someone who is a Neo-CON be a hypocrite for watching bill mahar? Just saying.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,716
    badbrains said:

    Wouldn't someone who is a Neo-CON be a hypocrite for watching bill mahar? Just saying.

    Haha! Touche, bb.

    But on the other hand, I have to admit I listened to the Rush Limbaugh show once. Well, damn, now I guess I have to turn in my secret decoder ring. :frowning:

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