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fortyshades · January 2014

To be honest, I like the SBM version on the album. Listen to it with headphones. A lot of things going on there.

I think that Sirens post some challenges for some fans, for it is (and I know, I know, I am on repeat), .musically and structure wise an interesting song. It is not as straightforward as it claims to be. IMO at least than. And I like the way is is placed on the album

LB is in my opinion one of their best efforts since Binaural. It also has a similar feel, but is more coherent than Binaural was.

A bit off topic, but hay,,,,

PJ_Soul · January 2014

fortyshades said:
To be honest, I like the SBM version on the album. Listen to it with headphones. A lot of things going on there.

I think that Sirens post some challenges for some fans, for it is (and I know, I know, I am on repeat), .musically and structure wise an interesting song. It is not as straightforward as it claims to be. IMO at least than. And I like the way is is placed on the album

LB is in my opinion one of their best efforts since Binaural. It also has a similar feel, but is more coherent than Binaural was.

A bit off topic, but hay,,,,

Wow, I think Binaural is PJ's most coherent album ever, and that LB lacks that quality because of how totally random and disjointed the order of the track list seems, as though they chose the order when they were all drinking heavily......... I really like the album, but it has its flaws! I think it's funny how much we tend to disagree about this album.

actonplp · January 2014

slightofjeff said:
Sirens hit me in a way that no song has since Black. That's not to say it's an equal song to Black. But in Sirens, Ed perfectly captures what it means to be a 30 (or 40 or 50) something married father of two, the same way Black captured what it was like to be a lovelorn teenager or young adult.

But hit me right where I lived in the moment I was living it. The goosebumps were identical, 20 some odd years later.

I agree completely, as no song has come anywhere near how I felt about Black until Sirens was released. Sirens gave me chills the 1st time I heard it because (being much older now) I can understand that even with true love, fear can hang over you like a shadow even when things are good. Eddie sure can write lyrics that just seem so nail the emotions of so many people.

KnZiE94 · January 2014

I like both the songs very much

fortyshades · January 2014

PJ_Soul said:

fortyshades said:
To be honest, I like the SBM version on the album. Listen to it with headphones. A lot of things going on there.

I think that Sirens post some challenges for some fans, for it is (and I know, I know, I am on repeat), .musically and structure wise an interesting song. It is not as straightforward as it claims to be. IMO at least than. And I like the way is is placed on the album

LB is in my opinion one of their best efforts since Binaural. It also has a similar feel, but is more coherent than Binaural was.

A bit off topic, but hay,,,,
Wow, I think Binaural is PJ's most coherent album ever, and that LB lacks that quality because of how totally random and disjointed the order of the track list seems, as though they chose the order when they were all drinking heavily......... I really like the album, but it has its flaws! I think it's funny how much we tend to disagree about this album.

Well, that does seem the case hahhaha. (Can't find the damn smiley icons.) But Binuaral is in my top four and still above LB; but for way different reasons. Not because of the cohesiveness, but because of the lyrics. The lyrics on Binaural are mindblowing beautiful. True poetry...

Light Years
Sleight of Hand
Of the Girl
Parting Ways

In awe...

Vedd Hedd · January 2014

cp3iverson said:
Sirens is my fav PJ tune since Sleight of Hand. Nothing wrong with writing a pop song if it's a good song.

I like when PJ takes chances and does something different. Taking chances doesnt have to mean loops and weird stuff. Sirens is refreshing.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · January 2014

october22 said:
Two pages in and I still don't understand what the title of this thread actually means.

I was implying that Sirens has taken quite a lot of heat - especially among the hardcore. With this much negative attention towards the song it allowed Yellow Moon to flourish and become another wonderful ballad without radioplay.

One song always takes a hit on every album like Oceans from Ten (Yes, to me Oceans is unlistenable). But I still can't figure out why the Backspacer album is so unwelcome from fans in this forum, I really can't.

So I was also trying to say in the thread title that I have a feeling that YM not Sirens would have taken a lot of criticism and not be appreciated if it was on the radio not Sirens.

cp3iverson · January 2014

slightofjeff said:
Sirens hit me in a way that no song has since Black. That's not to say it's an equal song to Black. But in Sirens, Ed perfectly captures what it means to be a 30 (or 40 or 50) something married father of two, the same way Black captured what it was like to be a lovelorn teenager or young adult.

But hit me right where I lived in the moment I was living it. The goosebumps were identical, 20 some odd years later.

This is a great post. Lyrically it's one of Ed's masterpieces.

lcusick · January 2014

Yellow Moon, Sirens, Infallible, and Getaway are my faves.

BALLBOY · January 2014

Betterman is epitome of this discussion as it is probably the most played radio PJ song ever but still gets the biggest singalong at shows but Sirens & Yellow Moon are derided as cheesy & poorer versions of some of the bands best moments. I dont listen to the radio much at all but if i do ever hear PJ song it is always 3 songs & the station it is on says it plays the "hits of today" & none of these are off Lightning Bolt. Sirens is beautiful & Yellow Moon not far behind it

karmadefect · January 2015

cp3iverson wrote: »

Sirens = best song since Sleight of Hand

Wow, that thought never crossed my mind.
I reckon that has more to do with me not liking Sirens than it says anything about Sleight of hand for me. So many songs in between en still Sirens tops the bill for you.
It's great that people can disagree and find different stuff they like in this band.
I'll join you in saying Sleight of hand is a great song.

As to why I don't like Sirens?
I feel it is really cheesy. I must say the live version works beter for me, but eventhough it did some damage controle, it still can't erase the feeling of ..... well, .... actually discust that I felt when hearing the song for the first time. I gave it a third and a forthed listen and could help but being amazed in a negative way. After being blown away by Mind your manners, it was a major let down to hear Sirens. It is way too smooth in the way it is recorded and the guitarwork doesn't do much for me either. Mike's solo is way under par for me.The way Eddie had to jam the word overwhelmed into to different lines annoys me every time I hear it. And although the melody line it self is pretty, I feel it is too much so. It doesn't get compensated with any sharp edges. It is just too poppy for my taste, especially since the rest of the song is the same way as is the subject matter.
I like Pearl Jam to have a little bit more teeth. Sirens sounds like they left their teeth in a glass on the nightstand and they now need to soak their biscuit in their tea in order for them to be able to eat it.

I never had a bathroom break song before, and it certainly isn't, nore will it ever be Even flow, but Sirens has given me to chance to take a leak or a drink at the last three shows. And that in itself is a good thing, so on second thought Hail, hail to Sirens.

deadendp · January 2015

know1 wrote: »

Sirens is just OK for me. I skip it when it comes on a lot. But I really like Yellow Moon.

I'm right there with you.

derbydave · January 2015

The version of Sirens on the Cincinnati boot is BAD...
couldn't believe how rough it was when I heard it the first time!!

vladsplat · January 2015

Yellow Moon is easily one of my favorite new songs!

Indifference71 · January 2015

Yellow Moon is a decent song. Not a fan of Sirens at all....it has become my new piss break song.

pjsteelerfan · January 2015

Yellow Moon needs to be back in the rotation whenever they get back on the road.

boyo79 · January 2015

It amazes me how every time they play Sirens they manage to fuck up a part. Usually Ed.

Leezestarr313 · January 2015

PJ_Soul wrote:

I think the power ballad thing comes from the massive guitar crescendo that starts at about 3:45 and then tapers down in a way very similar to that song that plays during Rocky's big training montage in the snow in Rocky 4. A then there is the fact that there are honest to god "soaring vocals" in it. Not just powerful vocals. Actually soaring. And then the piano that is slightly reminiscent of November Rain. Put it all together, and it's Power Ballad 101. <br />
It's a catchy song musically. But it's got a pretty huge cheeze factor for sure. I love the message of the song.... but I still feel like it's kind of a confused song overall. And it is definitely a power ballad, which is just kind of weird to hear coming from PJ.

This is what I'm thinking too. There was a time where I thought Infallible sounds a bit like a Christina Aguilera song too

That does not mean I hate these songs. They are catchy, that's for sure. I would not put on Sirens or Just Breathe as a single song to listen to. It is not one of my fave songs, but when it is played live, I croon along with the masses too haha

I love Yellow Moon and Pendulum, these two still stand out for me from LB because they kind of remind me of Songs like Sleight of Hand. Overall, I will give LB some good spins to test the acoustics of our new house by the end of this week. It's been a while since we played it.

retropony · January 2015

the opening vocals for Sirens hurts my ears sometimes......

HesCalledDyer · January 2015

derbydave wrote: »

The version of Sirens on the Cincinnati boot is BAD...
couldn't believe how rough it was when I heard it the first time!!

Half of the arena went on a bathroom/concession run. I don't like Sirens, but the band seems to be really proud of it. I felt bad for them that THAT many people were shuffling about. It was just... sad.

In St. Paul, they played it without the "Hear the si-ruuunnns" at the beginning. It made the entire song sound a little better to me. Maybe if they just hadn't recorded that cheesy-ass part at the intro, it wouldn't ring as such a bad tune to me. Well, that and "let me catch my breath to breathe" is one of the dumbest, most redundant lines ever.

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