Michael Brown Shooting

norm · October 2014

wait...brown had a criminal record? i never read that. for what?

Last-12-Exit · October 2014

Those eyewitnesses you are counting on so much have been proven wrong. Those eyewitness accounts of brown surrendering with his hands in the air when he was shot are not accurate. How much more faith are you going put in them?

Staceb10 · October 2014

Eyewitness accounts are largely unreliable. This "hands up" things is the entire slogan for the so-called protests i.e. looting and rioting. The forensic evidence doesn't show that he had his hands in the air in surrender which will outweigh eyewitness accounts.

apa.org/monitor/apr06/eyewitness.aspx

scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/

cbsnews.com/news/eyewitness-how-accurate-is-visual-memory/

innocenceproject.org/understand/Eyewitness-Misidentification.php

Last-12-Exit · October 2014

Staceb10 said:
Eyewitness accounts are largely unreliable. This "hands up" things is the entire slogan for the so-called protests i.e. looting and rioting. The forensic evidence doesn't show that he had his hands in the air in surrender which will outweigh eyewitness accounts.

apa.org/monitor/apr06/eyewitness.aspx

scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/

cbsnews.com/news/eyewitness-how-accurate-is-visual-memory/

innocenceproject.org/understand/Eyewitness-Misidentification.php

This point will largely be ignored. Reminds me of 9/11 conspiracy theorists.

Last-12-Exit · October 2014

Gern, I think Wilson does have to answer to why he shot so many times. Cops are trained to kill, not injure. IF the facts of the case shows he did not have to shoot that many times, he should be brought to trial. But you have been convicting this guy from day one. Ignoring a lot of key facts that have been released.

Staceb10 · October 2014

Last-12-Exit said:
Gern, I think Wilson does have to answer to why he shot so many times. Cops are trained to kill, not injure. IF the facts of the case shows he did not have to shoot that many times, he should be brought to trial. But you have been convicting this guy from day one. Ignoring a lot of key facts that have been released.

Most of the country has been convicting this guy from day one. Hell they had tributes to Michael Brown on one of the award shows before anyone even knows the whole truth.

Gern Blansten · October 2014

Last-12-Exit said:
Those eyewitnesses you are counting on so much have been proven wrong. Those eyewitness accounts of brown surrendering with his hands in the air when he was shot are not accurate. How much more faith are you going put in them?

What is your source for them being proven wrong?

Gern Blansten · October 2014

Staceb10 said:
Eyewitness accounts are largely unreliable. This "hands up" things is the entire slogan for the so-called protests i.e. looting and rioting. The forensic evidence doesn't show that he had his hands in the air in surrender which will outweigh eyewitness accounts.

apa.org/monitor/apr06/eyewitness.aspx

scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/

cbsnews.com/news/eyewitness-how-accurate-is-visual-memory/

innocenceproject.org/understand/Eyewitness-Misidentification.php

Wait...forensics can determine if you had your hands in the air? At what point? If I have my hands in the air and you walk up and shoot me in the head with no eyewitnesses will forensics show that I had my hands in the air?

Am I missing something?

Thirty Bills Unpaid · October 2014

norm said:
wait...brown had a criminal record? i never read that. for what?

Immediately preceding the incident in question, Brown had robbed a convenience store.

norm · October 2014

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

norm said:
wait...brown had a criminal record? i never read that. for what?
Immediately preceding the incident in question, Brown had robbed a convenience store.

interesting...so a person who has not been arrested, charged or convicted of a crime is a criminal...fascinating

chadwick · October 2014

i have nearly no faith at all in the eyewitnesses, even brown's dear friend who was walking w/ him to & from the convenience store. that young man is so full of shit in his story telling skills that his nose grew. yes i do think so

i'll tell you what would be a difficult task... waking up every morning & putting on that uniform & patrolling the st. louis (or any city for that matter) area. that'd be a scary job & now it's really on

it is terrible that brown died. i wish he could have used the sidewalk, quit strong arm robbing shops, had some sense & manner w/ authority figures. heck he'd still be alive today im sure of that. well, unless one of his peers smoked his ass in a driveby or something ridiculous like that.

Last-12-Exit · October 2014

norm said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

norm said:
wait...brown had a criminal record? i never read that. for what?
Immediately preceding the incident in question, Brown had robbed a convenience store.
interesting...so a person who has not been arrested, charged or convicted of a crime is a criminal...fascinating

I dont know if he had a recored prior to the actions of that day. Does anyone seriously know if he did?

Last-12-Exit · October 2014

Gern Blansten said:

Last-12-Exit said:
Those eyewitnesses you are counting on so much have been proven wrong. Those eyewitness accounts of brown surrendering with his hands in the air when he was shot are not accurate. How much more faith are you going put in them?
What is your source for them being proven wrong?

Ive answered that already. In the CNN article that you posted, the first line says two men describe as an unarmed teenager with his hands in the air is gunned down. The second autopsy report proved that his hands were not in the air when he was shot.

You can what if that all day, but the facts are the facts. You have brought nothing to the table other than speculation and unreliable witnesses.

Gern Blansten · October 2014

Last-12-Exit said:

Gern Blansten said:

Last-12-Exit said:
Those eyewitnesses you are counting on so much have been proven wrong. Those eyewitness accounts of brown surrendering with his hands in the air when he was shot are not accurate. How much more faith are you going put in them?
What is your source for them being proven wrong?

Ive answered that already. In the CNN article that you posted, the first line says two men describe as an unarmed teenager with his hands in the air is gunned down. The second autopsy report proved that his hands were not in the air when he was shot.

You can what if that all day, but the facts are the facts. You have brought nothing to the table other than speculation and unreliable witnesses.

I feel like I'm dreaming or something...

The autopsy most certainly did not "prove" that his hands were not in the air. It may have proven what position his hands were in the instant ONE bullet hit his arm but that's all that it proves.

There are multiple eyewitnesses telling a similar story. The article I posted above is still the most vivid account so far.

Gern Blansten · October 2014

chadwick said:
i have nearly no faith at all in the eyewitnesses, even brown's dear friend who was walking w/ him to & from the convenience store. that young man is so full of shit in his story telling skills that his nose grew. yes i do think so

i'll tell you what would be a difficult task... waking up every morning & putting on that uniform & patrolling the st. louis (or any city for that matter) area. that'd be a scary job & now it's really on

it is terrible that brown died. i wish he could have used the sidewalk, quit strong arm robbing shops, had some sense & manner w/ authority figures. heck he'd still be alive today im sure of that. well, unless one of his peers smoked his ass in a driveby or something ridiculous like that.

That's fine but there are at least 4 maybe 5 separate witnesses telling basically the same story.

pjhawks · October 2014

Gern Blansten said:

Staceb10 said:
Eyewitness accounts are largely unreliable. This "hands up" things is the entire slogan for the so-called protests i.e. looting and rioting. The forensic evidence doesn't show that he had his hands in the air in surrender which will outweigh eyewitness accounts.

apa.org/monitor/apr06/eyewitness.aspx

scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/

cbsnews.com/news/eyewitness-how-accurate-is-visual-memory/

innocenceproject.org/understand/Eyewitness-Misidentification.php
Wait...forensics can determine if you had your hands in the air? At what point? If I have my hands in the air and you walk up and shoot me in the head with no eyewitnesses will forensics show that I had my hands in the air?

Am I missing something?

absolutely and at the point the bullets enter the body. the angle of the wounds can determine direction of the body and preliminary autopsy reports are his hands were not in the air when the bullets entered his body.

edit: in your scenario in the head it won't necessarily determine hands in the air or not but when the fatal shots are on the torso and shots within the arms absolutely.

Gern Blansten · October 2014

pjhawks said:

Gern Blansten said:

Staceb10 said:
Eyewitness accounts are largely unreliable. This "hands up" things is the entire slogan for the so-called protests i.e. looting and rioting. The forensic evidence doesn't show that he had his hands in the air in surrender which will outweigh eyewitness accounts.

apa.org/monitor/apr06/eyewitness.aspx

scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/

cbsnews.com/news/eyewitness-how-accurate-is-visual-memory/

innocenceproject.org/understand/Eyewitness-Misidentification.php
Wait...forensics can determine if you had your hands in the air? At what point? If I have my hands in the air and you walk up and shoot me in the head with no eyewitnesses will forensics show that I had my hands in the air?

Am I missing something?
absolutely and at the point the bullets enter the body. the angle of the wounds can determine direction of the body and preliminary autopsy reports are his hands were not in the air when the bullets entered his body.

edit: in your scenario in the head it won't necessarily determine hands in the air or not but when the fatal shots are on the torso and shots within the arms absolutely.

right....so you have no idea if Brown's hands were in the air or not. You just believe that they weren't in the air when one shot entered his body. That's my point.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · October 2014

norm said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

norm said:
wait...brown had a criminal record? i never read that. for what?
Immediately preceding the incident in question, Brown had robbed a convenience store.
interesting...so a person who has not been arrested, charged or convicted of a crime is a criminal...fascinating

interesting... that one chooses to refute video footage and victim accounts as insufficient for labelling someone a criminal... fascinating.

dignin · October 2014

Gern Blansten said:

pjhawks said:

Gern Blansten said:

Staceb10 said:
Eyewitness accounts are largely unreliable. This "hands up" things is the entire slogan for the so-called protests i.e. looting and rioting. The forensic evidence doesn't show that he had his hands in the air in surrender which will outweigh eyewitness accounts.

apa.org/monitor/apr06/eyewitness.aspx

scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/

cbsnews.com/news/eyewitness-how-accurate-is-visual-memory/

innocenceproject.org/understand/Eyewitness-Misidentification.php
Wait...forensics can determine if you had your hands in the air? At what point? If I have my hands in the air and you walk up and shoot me in the head with no eyewitnesses will forensics show that I had my hands in the air?

Am I missing something?
absolutely and at the point the bullets enter the body. the angle of the wounds can determine direction of the body and preliminary autopsy reports are his hands were not in the air when the bullets entered his body.

edit: in your scenario in the head it won't necessarily determine hands in the air or not but when the fatal shots are on the torso and shots within the arms absolutely.
right....so you have no idea if Brown's hands were in the air or not. You just believe that they weren't in the air when one shot entered his body. That's my point.

Yeah, I'm trying to figure out how forensics can tell if he had his hands in the air when he got shot in the head. I can't quite wrap my head around it....maybe I'm just thick.

Last-12-Exit · October 2014

It's fine that you want to ignore the facts of the case that have been released. If those eyewitness accounts were as reliable as you claim them to be, they why hasn't the officer been charged yet? The autopsy did reveal gun powder residue on Brown's hand. That proves that Brown was at least 18 inches away from the gun. Which corroborates Wilsons story of brown going after his gun.

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