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Don't forget they have to stop by Space Station(Don't touch anything!)Pick up a Russian,And land on a plate of Iron Ferrite(sp).lolJason P said:
Their skills will come in handy some day when NASA only has 18 days to train them to fly a space shuttle to an asteroid the size of Texas and drill 800 ft inside the asteroid and trigger a nuclear detonation that will split the asteroid in two, driving the pieces apart so both will fly safely past the Earth. Cause that's just science.rgambs said:Oh yeah, absolutely. First thing the frackers do is go buy a brand new truck for 30,000$. They live in hotels, drink, drug, and fast food themselves into oblivion, and are left with average salaries. Doesn't seem like living to me at all.
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Totally agree with this. I don't even think you need the 2 years. I think colleges are pricing themselves right out of business.bootlegger10 said:
A four year degree is ridiculous for most occupations in my opinion. I really don't think I'd be any better or worse off if I started my job after two years of college taking courses that directly applied to my career path.
We need to wake up and stop blindly borrowing money to go to something that is not worth what you pay for it.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
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Excellent advice.oftenreading said:I don't think I expressed myself well in my earlier post. I don't want to discourage anyone from getting further education; far from it. However, it needs to be done with realistic planning, without a lot of wasted time. If someone doesn't know what they want to study, then they probably shouldn't be incurring debt for full time college or university; instead, they can be exploring their options and interests with part time or evening courses or volunteering while they work. And they need to keep their expectations reasonable. Perhaps I am cynical; I prefer to think I'm a realist.
Personally, I think college is too pricey for what it's worth these days. But if someone must go, I would encourage them to do so without taking out student loans.
Many moons ago I graduated with only $3,000 in loans and it still felt like a burden. I was able to pay for most of college by working almost 30 hours per week in addition to a full class load.The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.0 -
Great advice but not realistic for today's students. The whole "worked my way through college" thing is only remotely possible nowadays.know1 said:
Excellent advice.oftenreading said:I don't think I expressed myself well in my earlier post. I don't want to discourage anyone from getting further education; far from it. However, it needs to be done with realistic planning, without a lot of wasted time. If someone doesn't know what they want to study, then they probably shouldn't be incurring debt for full time college or university; instead, they can be exploring their options and interests with part time or evening courses or volunteering while they work. And they need to keep their expectations reasonable. Perhaps I am cynical; I prefer to think I'm a realist.
Personally, I think college is too pricey for what it's worth these days. But if someone must go, I would encourage them to do so without taking out student loans.
Many moons ago I graduated with only $3,000 in loans and it still felt like a burden. I was able to pay for most of college by working almost 30 hours per week in addition to a full class load.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Maybe for some it is, but given all of these "party schools", might it be feasible to set aside or reduce the time doing beer bongs and use it toward, I don't know, working? Monetary benefits aside, it's a good learning experience of what's realistically expected of adults, plus becoming independent, self-reliant.rgambs said:Great advice but not realistic for today's students. The whole "worked my way through college" thing is only remotely possible nowadays.
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I say this without rancor, but it's easy to say for those who graduated in the 80's or 90's. Those in this group don't fairly appraise the difficulties to students now. The job market is crap, purchasing power is pathetic and costs rise between 15% and 30% every year. Books, gas money, parking passes that cost $200 dollars, it's easy to feel superior to "kids these days" but things are bad and getting worse. You can work your way through undergrad with little to no debt, and you end up with a degree that, aside from a few specific ones, is nearly worthless in the job market. So you have to go to grad school, where they ream you for hundreds of thousands, at outrageous interest rates that bubbleriders have never seen, even on home mortgages. Bubbleriders grew up with credit cards at lower interest rates than some student loans.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0
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I went to college for only a short time - decided to pursue what I was working at, at the time. Great decision for me. Good experience, no debt, making a nice living and a nice life.
While attending though, I paid for everything myself. I'm not sure if the costs are relative to what they are now (I'd imagine so?), but books, parking passes, tuition and the like - all on me. Haven't used a credit card in over 20 years either.
For the record, I don't feel superior to anyone; however, I do think some made/make terrible financial decisions, whether related to education or even mortgages as you mentioned.
No one "has" to do anything. There are other ways - maybe not seeing that is part of the problem.0 -
How so? I don't think that it is. If anything, it should be easier today.rgambs said:
Great advice but not realistic for today's students. The whole "worked my way through college" thing is only remotely possible nowadays.know1 said:
Excellent advice.oftenreading said:I don't think I expressed myself well in my earlier post. I don't want to discourage anyone from getting further education; far from it. However, it needs to be done with realistic planning, without a lot of wasted time. If someone doesn't know what they want to study, then they probably shouldn't be incurring debt for full time college or university; instead, they can be exploring their options and interests with part time or evening courses or volunteering while they work. And they need to keep their expectations reasonable. Perhaps I am cynical; I prefer to think I'm a realist.
Personally, I think college is too pricey for what it's worth these days. But if someone must go, I would encourage them to do so without taking out student loans.
Many moons ago I graduated with only $3,000 in loans and it still felt like a burden. I was able to pay for most of college by working almost 30 hours per week in addition to a full class load.The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.0 -
You're giving reasons people shouldn't go to college....which I agree with. If it's too expensive, then it doesn't make sense to do it.rgambs said:I say this without rancor, but it's easy to say for those who graduated in the 80's or 90's. Those in this group don't fairly appraise the difficulties to students now. The job market is crap, purchasing power is pathetic and costs rise between 15% and 30% every year. Books, gas money, parking passes that cost $200 dollars, it's easy to feel superior to "kids these days" but things are bad and getting worse. You can work your way through undergrad with little to no debt, and you end up with a degree that, aside from a few specific ones, is nearly worthless in the job market. So you have to go to grad school, where they ream you for hundreds of thousands, at outrageous interest rates that bubbleriders have never seen, even on home mortgages. Bubbleriders grew up with credit cards at lower interest rates than some student loans.
The college bubble has to burst sometime soon. With the internet, you have access to all the info and networking you want. The price of tuition has outpaced inflation and wages for many, many years. It's just not worth it.The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.0 -
That doesn't make sense. Rising college costs are outpacing inflation by up to 30% each year with dwindling job markets. How do you come to the conclusion that it should be easier today?know1 said:
How so? I don't think that it is. If anything, it should be easier today.rgambs said:
Great advice but not realistic for today's students. The whole "worked my way through college" thing is only remotely possible nowadays.know1 said:
Excellent advice.oftenreading said:I don't think I expressed myself well in my earlier post. I don't want to discourage anyone from getting further education; far from it. However, it needs to be done with realistic planning, without a lot of wasted time. If someone doesn't know what they want to study, then they probably shouldn't be incurring debt for full time college or university; instead, they can be exploring their options and interests with part time or evening courses or volunteering while they work. And they need to keep their expectations reasonable. Perhaps I am cynical; I prefer to think I'm a realist.
Personally, I think college is too pricey for what it's worth these days. But if someone must go, I would encourage them to do so without taking out student loans.
Many moons ago I graduated with only $3,000 in loans and it still felt like a burden. I was able to pay for most of college by working almost 30 hours per week in addition to a full class load.
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The internet doesn't produce doctors, nurses, radiologists, engineers, physicists, chemists, or any of the other hard science careers. Should a poor guy go to 4 year college to study philosophy? Of course not, but should we limit the sciences to those who can afford the education? That is a ludicrous idea.know1 said:
You're giving reasons people shouldn't go to college....which I agree with. If it's too expensive, then it doesn't make sense to do it.rgambs said:I say this without rancor, but it's easy to say for those who graduated in the 80's or 90's. Those in this group don't fairly appraise the difficulties to students now. The job market is crap, purchasing power is pathetic and costs rise between 15% and 30% every year. Books, gas money, parking passes that cost $200 dollars, it's easy to feel superior to "kids these days" but things are bad and getting worse. You can work your way through undergrad with little to no debt, and you end up with a degree that, aside from a few specific ones, is nearly worthless in the job market. So you have to go to grad school, where they ream you for hundreds of thousands, at outrageous interest rates that bubbleriders have never seen, even on home mortgages. Bubbleriders grew up with credit cards at lower interest rates than some student loans.
The college bubble has to burst sometime soon. With the internet, you have access to all the info and networking you want. The price of tuition has outpaced inflation and wages for many, many years. It's just not worth it.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
The costs are not relative, cost increases are typically given as percentages over inflation.hedonist said:I went to college for only a short time - decided to pursue what I was working at, at the time. Great decision for me. Good experience, no debt, making a nice living and a nice life.
While attending though, I paid for everything myself. I'm not sure if the costs are relative to what they are now (I'd imagine so?), but books, parking passes, tuition and the like - all on me. Haven't used a credit card in over 20 years either.
For the record, I don't feel superior to anyone; however, I do think some made/make terrible financial decisions, whether related to education or even mortgages as you mentioned.
No one "has" to do anything. There are other ways - maybe not seeing that is part of the problem.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
I said it should be easier to work while you're in college today. You said it's only remotely possible to work your way through college today. I disagree with you.rgambs said:
That doesn't make sense. Rising college costs are outpacing inflation by up to 30% each year with dwindling job markets. How do you come to the conclusion that it should be easier today?know1 said:
How so? I don't think that it is. If anything, it should be easier today.rgambs said:
Great advice but not realistic for today's students. The whole "worked my way through college" thing is only remotely possible nowadays.know1 said:
Excellent advice.oftenreading said:I don't think I expressed myself well in my earlier post. I don't want to discourage anyone from getting further education; far from it. However, it needs to be done with realistic planning, without a lot of wasted time. If someone doesn't know what they want to study, then they probably shouldn't be incurring debt for full time college or university; instead, they can be exploring their options and interests with part time or evening courses or volunteering while they work. And they need to keep their expectations reasonable. Perhaps I am cynical; I prefer to think I'm a realist.
Personally, I think college is too pricey for what it's worth these days. But if someone must go, I would encourage them to do so without taking out student loans.
Many moons ago I graduated with only $3,000 in loans and it still felt like a burden. I was able to pay for most of college by working almost 30 hours per week in addition to a full class load.The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.0 -
There are a few career paths that probably require college, but many should/do not, and I would argue that much of the "general studies" classes you take in the first 2 years or so should be removed from the curriculum. They just add to the time and expense.rgambs said:
The internet doesn't produce doctors, nurses, radiologists, engineers, physicists, chemists, or any of the other hard science careers. Should a poor guy go to 4 year college to study philosophy? Of course not, but should we limit the sciences to those who can afford the education? That is a ludicrous idea.know1 said:
You're giving reasons people shouldn't go to college....which I agree with. If it's too expensive, then it doesn't make sense to do it.rgambs said:I say this without rancor, but it's easy to say for those who graduated in the 80's or 90's. Those in this group don't fairly appraise the difficulties to students now. The job market is crap, purchasing power is pathetic and costs rise between 15% and 30% every year. Books, gas money, parking passes that cost $200 dollars, it's easy to feel superior to "kids these days" but things are bad and getting worse. You can work your way through undergrad with little to no debt, and you end up with a degree that, aside from a few specific ones, is nearly worthless in the job market. So you have to go to grad school, where they ream you for hundreds of thousands, at outrageous interest rates that bubbleriders have never seen, even on home mortgages. Bubbleriders grew up with credit cards at lower interest rates than some student loans.
The college bubble has to burst sometime soon. With the internet, you have access to all the info and networking you want. The price of tuition has outpaced inflation and wages for many, many years. It's just not worth it.
I honestly can't see how someone could think that college is even remotely worth what it used to be in relative terms. Its necessity is fading fast....only outpaced by the rate at which it increases its own price. That's a recipe for its own demise.The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.0 -
Do you not see the consequences if we allow ambivalence to be the course of action and do nothing to stem the rising cost? The entire world will leave us behind in math and science, alternative energy, technology and literature. People complain now about it being hard to find American born doctors, physicists, and chemists, what will it be like if we allow this to continue? It is a very near-sighted attitude that those over 35 tend to hold on this topic, as if it doesn't effect them. It comes across like "I got mine, worry about yourself" This is a national security issue, an economic security issue, and a global climate issue. Doing nothing is only an option for an ostrich.know1 said:
There are a few career paths that probably require college, but many should/do not, and I would argue that much of the "general studies" classes you take in the first 2 years or so should be removed from the curriculum. They just add to the time and expense.rgambs said:
The internet doesn't produce doctors, nurses, radiologists, engineers, physicists, chemists, or any of the other hard science careers. Should a poor guy go to 4 year college to study philosophy? Of course not, but should we limit the sciences to those who can afford the education? That is a ludicrous idea.know1 said:
You're giving reasons people shouldn't go to college....which I agree with. If it's too expensive, then it doesn't make sense to do it.rgambs said:I say this without rancor, but it's easy to say for those who graduated in the 80's or 90's. Those in this group don't fairly appraise the difficulties to students now. The job market is crap, purchasing power is pathetic and costs rise between 15% and 30% every year. Books, gas money, parking passes that cost $200 dollars, it's easy to feel superior to "kids these days" but things are bad and getting worse. You can work your way through undergrad with little to no debt, and you end up with a degree that, aside from a few specific ones, is nearly worthless in the job market. So you have to go to grad school, where they ream you for hundreds of thousands, at outrageous interest rates that bubbleriders have never seen, even on home mortgages. Bubbleriders grew up with credit cards at lower interest rates than some student loans.
The college bubble has to burst sometime soon. With the internet, you have access to all the info and networking you want. The price of tuition has outpaced inflation and wages for many, many years. It's just not worth it.
I honestly can't see how someone could think that college is even remotely worth what it used to be in relative terms. Its necessity is fading fast....only outpaced by the rate at which it increases its own price. That's a recipe for its own demise.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Again, this doesn't make sense. Service jobs are increasingly taken by older than school age individuals, a trip to any grocery store, restaurant, or fast food stop will be sufficient evidence of this if you haven't noticed yet. So, with jobs harder to come by, wit the percentage of income going to food, fuel, and shelter ever increasing, and costs ever rising, I ask again, how do you come to the conclusion it's easier now?know1 said:
I said it should be easier to work while you're in college today. You said it's only remotely possible to work your way through college today. I disagree with you.rgambs said:
That doesn't make sense. Rising college costs are outpacing inflation by up to 30% each year with dwindling job markets. How do you come to the conclusion that it should be easier today?know1 said:
How so? I don't think that it is. If anything, it should be easier today.rgambs said:
Great advice but not realistic for today's students. The whole "worked my way through college" thing is only remotely possible nowadays.know1 said:
Excellent advice.oftenreading said:I don't think I expressed myself well in my earlier post. I don't want to discourage anyone from getting further education; far from it. However, it needs to be done with realistic planning, without a lot of wasted time. If someone doesn't know what they want to study, then they probably shouldn't be incurring debt for full time college or university; instead, they can be exploring their options and interests with part time or evening courses or volunteering while they work. And they need to keep their expectations reasonable. Perhaps I am cynical; I prefer to think I'm a realist.
Personally, I think college is too pricey for what it's worth these days. But if someone must go, I would encourage them to do so without taking out student loans.
Many moons ago I graduated with only $3,000 in loans and it still felt like a burden. I was able to pay for most of college by working almost 30 hours per week in addition to a full class load.
You sound like Andy Rooney on the PJ20 DVD, critical of youth but without taking a second to look at the challenges they are facing.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
I see college as an aging, over-priced dinosaur. I think there are opportunities to become educated and knowledgeable that aren't as antiquated and expensive as having to attend the classes and exams in person. Before communication, technology and access to information were as prevalent as they are today, maybe it made sense.rgambs said:
Do you not see the consequences if we allow ambivalence to be the course of action and do nothing to stem the rising cost? The entire world will leave us behind in math and science, alternative energy, technology and literature. People complain now about it being hard to find American born doctors, physicists, and chemists, what will it be like if we allow this to continue? It is a very near-sighted attitude that those over 35 tend to hold on this topic, as if it doesn't effect them. It comes across like "I got mine, worry about yourself" This is a national security issue, an economic security issue, and a global climate issue. Doing nothing is only an option for an ostrich.know1 said:
There are a few career paths that probably require college, but many should/do not, and I would argue that much of the "general studies" classes you take in the first 2 years or so should be removed from the curriculum. They just add to the time and expense.rgambs said:
The internet doesn't produce doctors, nurses, radiologists, engineers, physicists, chemists, or any of the other hard science careers. Should a poor guy go to 4 year college to study philosophy? Of course not, but should we limit the sciences to those who can afford the education? That is a ludicrous idea.know1 said:
You're giving reasons people shouldn't go to college....which I agree with. If it's too expensive, then it doesn't make sense to do it.rgambs said:I say this without rancor, but it's easy to say for those who graduated in the 80's or 90's. Those in this group don't fairly appraise the difficulties to students now. The job market is crap, purchasing power is pathetic and costs rise between 15% and 30% every year. Books, gas money, parking passes that cost $200 dollars, it's easy to feel superior to "kids these days" but things are bad and getting worse. You can work your way through undergrad with little to no debt, and you end up with a degree that, aside from a few specific ones, is nearly worthless in the job market. So you have to go to grad school, where they ream you for hundreds of thousands, at outrageous interest rates that bubbleriders have never seen, even on home mortgages. Bubbleriders grew up with credit cards at lower interest rates than some student loans.
The college bubble has to burst sometime soon. With the internet, you have access to all the info and networking you want. The price of tuition has outpaced inflation and wages for many, many years. It's just not worth it.
I honestly can't see how someone could think that college is even remotely worth what it used to be in relative terms. Its necessity is fading fast....only outpaced by the rate at which it increases its own price. That's a recipe for its own demise.
But, If you want to stem the cost, stop encouraging people to go to college. They have to lower tuition if nobody is willing to pay, right?The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.0 -
I disagree. It wouldn't force them to lower tuitions. It would just leave it for the affluent to afford an education. The sick thing is it would probably then get supplemented by the taxpayer that can't even afford the education.know1 said:
I see college as an aging, over-priced dinosaur. I think there are opportunities to become educated and knowledgeable that aren't as antiquated and expensive as having to attend the classes and exams in person. Before communication, technology and access to information were as prevalent as they are today, maybe it made sense.rgambs said:
Do you not see the consequences if we allow ambivalence to be the course of action and do nothing to stem the rising cost? The entire world will leave us behind in math and science, alternative energy, technology and literature. People complain now about it being hard to find American born doctors, physicists, and chemists, what will it be like if we allow this to continue? It is a very near-sighted attitude that those over 35 tend to hold on this topic, as if it doesn't effect them. It comes across like "I got mine, worry about yourself" This is a national security issue, an economic security issue, and a global climate issue. Doing nothing is only an option for an ostrich.know1 said:
There are a few career paths that probably require college, but many should/do not, and I would argue that much of the "general studies" classes you take in the first 2 years or so should be removed from the curriculum. They just add to the time and expense.rgambs said:
The internet doesn't produce doctors, nurses, radiologists, engineers, physicists, chemists, or any of the other hard science careers. Should a poor guy go to 4 year college to study philosophy? Of course not, but should we limit the sciences to those who can afford the education? That is a ludicrous idea.know1 said:
You're giving reasons people shouldn't go to college....which I agree with. If it's too expensive, then it doesn't make sense to do it.rgambs said:I say this without rancor, but it's easy to say for those who graduated in the 80's or 90's. Those in this group don't fairly appraise the difficulties to students now. The job market is crap, purchasing power is pathetic and costs rise between 15% and 30% every year. Books, gas money, parking passes that cost $200 dollars, it's easy to feel superior to "kids these days" but things are bad and getting worse. You can work your way through undergrad with little to no debt, and you end up with a degree that, aside from a few specific ones, is nearly worthless in the job market. So you have to go to grad school, where they ream you for hundreds of thousands, at outrageous interest rates that bubbleriders have never seen, even on home mortgages. Bubbleriders grew up with credit cards at lower interest rates than some student loans.
The college bubble has to burst sometime soon. With the internet, you have access to all the info and networking you want. The price of tuition has outpaced inflation and wages for many, many years. It's just not worth it.
I honestly can't see how someone could think that college is even remotely worth what it used to be in relative terms. Its necessity is fading fast....only outpaced by the rate at which it increases its own price. That's a recipe for its own demise.
But, If you want to stem the cost, stop encouraging people to go to college. They have to lower tuition if nobody is willing to pay, right?"Feel the path of everyday....which road you taking?"
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I'm not critical of youth. I'm critical of the colleges who keep raising tuition at a rate faster than salaries and inflation are increasing. I just don't think it's wise for many people to attend them. And it's certainly not wise to rack up a bunch of high interest debt to do so.rgambs said:
Again, this doesn't make sense. Service jobs are increasingly taken by older than school age individuals, a trip to any grocery store, restaurant, or fast food stop will be sufficient evidence of this if you haven't noticed yet. So, with jobs harder to come by, wit the percentage of income going to food, fuel, and shelter ever increasing, and costs ever rising, I ask again, how do you come to the conclusion it's easier now?know1 said:
I said it should be easier to work while you're in college today. You said it's only remotely possible to work your way through college today. I disagree with you.rgambs said:
That doesn't make sense. Rising college costs are outpacing inflation by up to 30% each year with dwindling job markets. How do you come to the conclusion that it should be easier today?know1 said:
How so? I don't think that it is. If anything, it should be easier today.rgambs said:
Great advice but not realistic for today's students. The whole "worked my way through college" thing is only remotely possible nowadays.know1 said:
Excellent advice.oftenreading said:I don't think I expressed myself well in my earlier post. I don't want to discourage anyone from getting further education; far from it. However, it needs to be done with realistic planning, without a lot of wasted time. If someone doesn't know what they want to study, then they probably shouldn't be incurring debt for full time college or university; instead, they can be exploring their options and interests with part time or evening courses or volunteering while they work. And they need to keep their expectations reasonable. Perhaps I am cynical; I prefer to think I'm a realist.
Personally, I think college is too pricey for what it's worth these days. But if someone must go, I would encourage them to do so without taking out student loans.
Many moons ago I graduated with only $3,000 in loans and it still felt like a burden. I was able to pay for most of college by working almost 30 hours per week in addition to a full class load.
You sound like Andy Rooney on the PJ20 DVD, critical of youth but without taking a second to look at the challenges they are facing.
If I had it to do over knowing what I do now, I would personally not attend college. I would find an entry level position in a field that interested me and work my way up. I would even take that position unpaid and make money delivering pizzas if I needed to on the side. College essentially taught me nothing that has helped me in my post college life. The only advantage is the degree listed on my resume (OT - resumes are going away as well. Companies just want to know you can do the job they're hiring you for).
I don't think it's as difficult to find a job as you seem to think, and I think the unemployment figures demonstrate that.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
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Unemployment figures have been proven to be lower than real unemployment/underemployment rates ever since they were instituted. I don't think bubbleriders are in a position to judge how difficult it is to find a job now, and they certainly overestimate the opportunity to work your way up. I have worked as a surgical assistant, proven myself ON THE JOB, and without a degree, I will never be able to work in the field again...grandfather clauses are the past, decent jobs require degrees now. The bubble has burst, the riders just refuse to see it. Companies don't just want to know you can do the job, it's ludicrous to think that with so many college grads you will get the job without a degree over someone who has one. I agree that the proliferation of college attendance is a negative trend, but if we scrap the university model we WILL fall behind in science and technology.know1 said:
I'm not critical of youth. I'm critical of the colleges who keep raising tuition at a rate faster than salaries and inflation are increasing. I just don't think it's wise for many people to attend them. And it's certainly not wise to rack up a bunch of high interest debt to do so.rgambs said:
Again, this doesn't make sense. Service jobs are increasingly taken by older than school age individuals, a trip to any grocery store, restaurant, or fast food stop will be sufficient evidence of this if you haven't noticed yet. So, with jobs harder to come by, wit the percentage of income going to food, fuel, and shelter ever increasing, and costs ever rising, I ask again, how do you come to the conclusion it's easier now?know1 said:
I said it should be easier to work while you're in college today. You said it's only remotely possible to work your way through college today. I disagree with you.rgambs said:
That doesn't make sense. Rising college costs are outpacing inflation by up to 30% each year with dwindling job markets. How do you come to the conclusion that it should be easier today?know1 said:
How so? I don't think that it is. If anything, it should be easier today.rgambs said:
Great advice but not realistic for today's students. The whole "worked my way through college" thing is only remotely possible nowadays.know1 said:
Excellent advice.oftenreading said:I don't think I expressed myself well in my earlier post. I don't want to discourage anyone from getting further education; far from it. However, it needs to be done with realistic planning, without a lot of wasted time. If someone doesn't know what they want to study, then they probably shouldn't be incurring debt for full time college or university; instead, they can be exploring their options and interests with part time or evening courses or volunteering while they work. And they need to keep their expectations reasonable. Perhaps I am cynical; I prefer to think I'm a realist.
Personally, I think college is too pricey for what it's worth these days. But if someone must go, I would encourage them to do so without taking out student loans.
Many moons ago I graduated with only $3,000 in loans and it still felt like a burden. I was able to pay for most of college by working almost 30 hours per week in addition to a full class load.
You sound like Andy Rooney on the PJ20 DVD, critical of youth but without taking a second to look at the challenges they are facing.
If I had it to do over knowing what I do now, I would personally not attend college. I would find an entry level position in a field that interested me and work my way up. I would even take that position unpaid and make money delivering pizzas if I needed to on the side. College essentially taught me nothing that has helped me in my post college life. The only advantage is the degree listed on my resume (OT - resumes are going away as well. Companies just want to know you can do the job they're hiring you for).
I don't think it's as difficult to find a job as you seem to think, and I think the unemployment figures demonstrate that.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0
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