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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    edited August 2014
    More of Israel's precision bombing. Note the care taken to avoid civilian casualties. Plus, I'm sure they were leafleted, and given the ol' roof knock....that 5-20 seconds would have given them plenty of time to get to safety.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kYcrYud3R94
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    circus monkey...
    President Obama, in his press conference on Friday, said ”it is heartbreaking to see what’s happening there,” referring to the weeks of civilian deaths in Gaza – “as if he’s just a bystander, watching it all unfold,” observed Brooklyn College Professor Corey Robin. Robin added: ”Obama talks about Gaza as if it were a natural disaster, an uncontrollable biological event.”
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/08/04/cash-weapons-surveillance

    Each time Israel attacks Gaza and massacres its trapped civilian population – at the end of 2008, in the fall of 2012, and now again this past month – the same process repeats itself in both U.S. media and government circles: the U.S. government feeds Israel the weapons it uses and steadfastly defends its aggression both publicly and at the U.N.; the U.S. Congress unanimously enacts one resolution after the next to support and enable Israel; and then American media figures pretend that the Israeli attack has nothing to do with their country, that it’s just some sort of unfortunately intractable, distant conflict between two equally intransigent foreign parties in response to which all decent Americans helplessly throw up their hands as though they bear no responsibility.
  • evilrona
    evilrona Tel Aviv, Israel Posts: 22
    Probably one of the better articles I've read about this conflict. You don't have to agree with it, but you should read it.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-a-rizvi/picking-a-side-in-israel-palestine_b_5602701.html
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited August 2014
    evilrona said:

    Probably one of the better articles I've read about this conflict. You don't have to agree with it, but you should read it.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-a-rizvi/picking-a-side-in-israel-palestine_b_5602701.html

    Laughable...anyone with half a brain and common sense can debunk that article in 4 minutes. I read it as I'm waking up, i wasn't even done scratching my balls and i pick it apart, easily.
    My favorite....the images coming from Gaza of dead babies are mainly from Syria as if some internet sleuthing body is reviewing all the images coming from Gaza and determining which are authentic. Retweeting images in this guy's mind is journalism.
    That is right out of the playbook that was posted here earlier.
    Here is another... 1 Israeli dummy writes an article then another dummy writes another article and references the first dummy then a third dummy writes an article and references the first two dummies and so on and so on.
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  • rssesq
    rssesq Fairfield County Posts: 3,299
    Tell that that WARPIG Netanyahu we will never second guess him again as soon as he stops taking 4 billion in welfare payments per year from our tax payers and returns the iron dome and all the abram tanks. The nerve of these people.

    I just called Rabbi Echstein and asked how can I send money to the poor palestinians kids who are being hunted down by israel. They didnt have an answer.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JXs3nd9Osk





  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617

    The logic was deeply flawed. Israel is occupying and besieging Gaza, conferring on its inhabitants a right under international law to fight for their freedom. How does the oppressor, the lawbreaker have a right to self-defence? ***If Israel objects to being scratched and bruised, it should stop choking its victim.*** - See more at: http://www.jonathan-cook.net/2014-08-03/how-a-kidnapped-soldier-illustrates-israels-deception/#sthash.JDnCslrs.dpuf

    It was another illustration of Israel’s absolute disregard for the safety of civilians. At least three-quarters of the more than 1,700 Palestinians killed so far have been non-combatants, while almost all Israeli casualties have been soldiers. Another UN school was hit on Sunday, killing at least 10 Palestinians seeking refuge from Israeli shelling.

  • evilrona
    evilrona Tel Aviv, Israel Posts: 22
    So easy sitting wherever you are (guess it's no where near the middle east) and see whatever it is you choose. Life is much more complicated. The whole confilct is much more complicated.
    Try walking in my shoes.
    This sucks. Living this war sucks. I am 8th generation here in Israel, so this whole occupation theory doesnt really suit my family story, since as much as we go back we are from Jerusalem. I have my grand grandmother passport who was born in Jerusalem in 1888. There are endless sides to this. No winners, only losers, both sides.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    another little boy terrorist

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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited August 2014
    another little girl terrorist
    image

    im certain that is they just dig alittle deeper under more little terrorist girls and boys they will find the stored weapons, im sure of it
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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    I have been talking to friends and relatives about this situation. I ask them what they know, and many seem to know very little. It seems that many people here in the US used to simply side with Israel because they are an ally and thats what they were supposed to do. I think possibly that people are learning and changing their minds in recent months.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,600
    JonnyPistachio said:

    I have been talking to friends and relatives about this situation. I ask them what they know, and many seem to know very little. It seems that many people here in the US used to simply side with Israel because they are an ally and thats what they were supposed to do. I think possibly that people are learning and changing their minds in recent months.

    That is what I am seeing as well. People are horrified by Israel's actions. There is a different feel this time than during past offensives.

    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    edited August 2014
    JC29856 said:

    evilrona said:

    Probably one of the better articles I've read about this conflict. You don't have to agree with it, but you should read it.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-a-rizvi/picking-a-side-in-israel-palestine_b_5602701.html

    Laughable...anyone with half a brain and common sense can debunk that article in 4 minutes. I read it as I'm waking up, i wasn't even done scratching my balls and i pick it apart, easily.
    My favorite....the images coming from Gaza of dead babies are mainly from Syria as if some internet sleuthing body is reviewing all the images coming from Gaza and determining which are authentic. Retweeting images in this guy's mind is journalism.
    That is right out of the playbook that was posted here earlier.
    Here is another... 1 Israeli dummy writes an article then another dummy writes another article and references the first dummy then a third dummy writes an article and references the first two dummies and so on and so on.
    You may be able to debunk parts of that article. But not the whole thing. Surely you can admit that there are a few points there that make a lot of sense while others, not so much. There are both good and bad points there, and I hate to see the baby being thrown out with the bathwater.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    pjsoul
    what parts make alot of sense? what points are good? i wouldn't mind giving my side...
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    edited August 2014
    JC29856 said:

    pjsoul
    what parts make alot of sense? what points are good? i wouldn't mind giving my side...

    The parts that strike me the most and that I believe to be true are (and please try not to read between any lines here - there is nothing there. The article is pretty pro-Israeli, ironically, so many of these points are more about what Hamas is doing. That doesn't mean that there aren't a lot of similarly damning points against Israel, but only that this article doesn't properly address them IMO, which is why they're not listed. I do NOT favour the Israeli government over Hamas or vice-versa. I am not on the fence. I think that both sides are doing absolutely everything wrong):
    1) Hamas's greatest weapon is dead Palestinian children.
    2) Both sides are very much motivated by both racism and religion (tribal conflict).
    3) The focused outrage from the Muslim world is fueled by the fact that the perpetrators (as they see it) are Jews and the focused outrage from Jews is fueled by the fact that the perpetrators (as they see it) are Muslim (this is just more of the race-driven concept).
    4) Children on both sides are being raised to hate one another.
    5) If Israel wanted to wipe out the Palestinians they would have done it already.
    6) Hamas is doing a piss poor job of even trying to protect Palestinian lives and in fact seems to deliberately put them at risk at times.

    PS - I find the idea the Hamas and others are using photos of dead kids from other conflicts and saying they're from Gaza is absolutely plausible. The propaganda coming from both sides of this conflict is totally outlandish and out of control. I would bet money that Hamas is doing that, and I know that the media from both sides and just civilians are doing the same, because I have personally sought out the truth behind some of this Israeli and Palestinian propaganda and it's pretty easy to prove that a lot of that stuff is bullshit or posted completely out of context. Not sure why you found that idea so ludicrous.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • badbrains
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    edited August 2014
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    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    I highly doubt any politicians that can make peace in Gaza reads these forums. The pictures of dead children are not necessary here. At least just post the link with a warning on them so that people can choose to look at them.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    PJ_Soul said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    JC29856 said:

    pjsoul
    what parts make alot of sense? what points are good? i wouldn't mind giving my side...

    The parts that strike me the most and that I believe to be true are (and please try not to read between any lines here - there is nothing there. The article is pretty pro-Israeli, ironically, so many of these points are more about what Hamas is doing. That doesn't mean that there aren't a lot of similarly damning points against Israel, but only that this article doesn't properly address them IMO, which is why they're not listed. I do NOT favour the Israeli government over Hamas or vice-versa. I am not on the fence. I think that both sides are doing absolutely everything wrong):
    1) Hamas's greatest weapon is dead Palestinian children.
    2) Both sides are very much motivated by both racism and religion (tribal conflict).
    3) The focused outrage from the Muslim world is fueled by the fact that the perpetrators (as they see it) are Jews and the focused outrage from Jews is fueled by the fact that the perpetrators (as they see it) are Muslim (this is just more of the race-driven concept).
    4) Children on both sides are being raised to hate one another.
    5) If Israel wanted to wipe out the Palestinians they would have done it already.
    6) Hamas is doing a piss poor job of even trying to protect Palestinian lives and in fact seems to deliberately put them at risk at times.

    PS - I really can't say for sure whether or not Hamas is using photos from other conflicts as propaganda, but I would definitely not put it past them, and the chances that civilians and just anti-Israelis are doing the same is almost 100% likely. That doesn't discount what is actually happening, which is horrific, but this conflict is one that is huge on propaganda without shame on both sides, so the idea that Hamas or anyone might be using photos of dead children from other places seems like an incredibly likely suggestion.
    Doesn't change the fact that over 300 children have been murdered and many more injured. Pictures or not they are still being murdered. I don't see how it really matters if the pictures we are seeing are of those particular dead children.

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