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Sympathy for the people of Gaza is understandable.Calling out Israeli tactics as heavy handed and harsh also fair and understandable.Questioning the money given to foreign countries who support war,also justified and worthy of discussion.
Buying this BULLSHIT that Hamas is just a cute little group of freedom fighters who only want palestininian freedom is Moronic.I can't believe the terrorist Propoganda some of you are willing to so easily go along with.You don't have to choose sides,or approve of any actions here,but to forget about a group that straps bombs to kids and blows up innocent people in markets and busses for fun is mind numbing.
These are not poor farmers fighting with pitchforks,they are a group funded by terror orginazations and countries who vow to eliminate races of people and want nothing more then to spread their secular agenda.
I want the Palestinian people to taste real freedom,and I hope they do soon.But following Hamas is only going to get more of them killed and delay real freedom.
Hamas loves a high body count and has been able to use it to their advantage in social media and the pr war.True Palestinian concern from them,I don't think so.Post edited by rr165892 on0 -
Hey man, u know, this statement, although I agree with mostly, the part I'm not understanding is that do you think these Palestinian people have no feelings or hearts? Like what people would want their own people to be slaughtered? These people are humans just like u and me. They cry, they bleed, the laugh and they shit just like you and I. I find it disturbing that some people believe that Palestinians aren't humans, dnt feel dnt love dnt respect. Basically like animals. And that couldn't be farther from the truth. And RR, I'm not directing this at you, I'm saying it as to all the people who think Hamas uses humans shields, Hamas loads bombs on children to blow up. Shit like that. It just makes it look like these people aren't humans and only barbaric animals. They're not, they're just humans trying to taste something they haven't tasted for over 60+ years. Freedom, something EVERYONE alive should have. Something so precious but yet so far away.rr165892 said:Sympathy for the people of Gaza is understandable.Calling out Israeli tactics as heavy handed and harsh also fair and understandable.Questioning the money given to foreign countries who support war,also justified and worthy of discussion.
Buying this BULLSHIT that Hamas is just a cute little group of freedom fighters who only want palestininian freedom is Moronic.I can't believe the terrorist Propoganda some of you are willing to so easily go along with.You don't have to choose sides,or approve of any actions here,but to forget about a group that straps bombs to kids and blows up innocent people in markets and busses for fun is mind numbing.
These are not poor farmers fighting with pitchforks,they are a group funded by terror orginazations and countries who vow to eliminate races of people and want nothing more then to spread their secular agenda.
I want the Palestinian people to taste real freedom,and I hope they do soon.But following Hamas is only going to get more of them killed and delay real freedom.
Hamas loves a high body count and has been able to use it to their advantage in social media and the pr war.True Palestinian concern from them,I don't think so.
Edit-besides freedom, I'm sure they want dignity, respect, and compassion, something we all deserve.Post edited by badbrains on0 -
So let's just say for argument sake that there was no Hamas at all ...
1- would Israel not have taken more land that was not theirs for the taking ....
2- would Palestinians have every freedom that all Israeli's enjoy ...
As far as iv'e learned Hamas was Born from the injustices that were happening against the Palestinian population by the Israeli gov ....jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
BB,Agreed. I think of course the Palestinians have feelings and hearts.And right now I think they are being treated miserably by both sides.I think they are caught in the middle.I just know that following Hamas Isnt going to make the long term better.
One can argue that because of Hamas the world now is listening to the plight these innocent people are going thru,I get that.But now what? A true two state answer has to come from more moderate voices who can really have the populations best interest in mind.I feel Hamas has other agenda items and this just happens to be one they feel they can exploit to gain footing and members.I may be looking at this thru American eyes,but it just feels that way,and just like Byrnzie is always bringing up the last 67 years of occupation,I can't get past the history of terror,that this organization and those who fund and support it have perpetrated.0 -
How many innocents have Hamas killed since their rise to prominence?
Can't find or get an answer...terrorist usually take credit for their work.
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I ask again , would Israel have taken land that was not theirs if there was no Hamas in the picture , would all Palestinians enjoy all their freedom that every Israeli enjoys ....rr165892 said:BB,Agreed. I think of course the Palestinians have feelings and hearts.And right now I think they are being treated miserably by both sides.I think they are caught in the middle.I just know that following Hamas Isnt going to make the long term better.
One can argue that because of Hamas the world now is listening to the plight these innocent people are going thru,I get that.But now what? A true two state answer has to come from more moderate voices who can really have the populations best interest in mind.I feel Hamas has other agenda items and this just happens to be one they feel they can exploit to gain footing and members.I may be looking at this thru American eyes,but it just feels that way,and just like Byrnzie is always bringing up the last 67 years of occupation,I can't get past the history of terror,that this organization and those who fund and support it have perpetrated.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
badbrains,badbrains said:
Hey man, u know, this statement, although I agree with mostly, the part I'm not understanding is that do you think these Palestinian people have no feelings or hearts? Like what people would want their own people to be slaughtered? These people are humans just like u and me. They cry, they bleed, the laugh and they shit just like you and I. I find it disturbing that some people believe that Palestinians aren't humans, dnt feel dnt love dnt respect. Basically like animals. And that couldn't be farther from the truth. And RR, I'm not directing this at you, I'm saying it as to all the people who think Hamas uses humans shields, Hamas loads bombs on children to blow up. Shit like that. It just makes it look like these people aren't humans and only barbaric animals. They're not, they're just humans trying to taste something they haven't tasted for over 60+ years. Freedom, something EVERYONE alive should have. Something so precious but yet so far away.rr165892 said:Sympathy for the people of Gaza is understandable.Calling out Israeli tactics as heavy handed and harsh also fair and understandable.Questioning the money given to foreign countries who support war,also justified and worthy of discussion.
Buying this BULLSHIT that Hamas is just a cute little group of freedom fighters who only want palestininian freedom is Moronic.I can't believe the terrorist Propoganda some of you are willing to so easily go along with.You don't have to choose sides,or approve of any actions here,but to forget about a group that straps bombs to kids and blows up innocent people in markets and busses for fun is mind numbing.
These are not poor farmers fighting with pitchforks,they are a group funded by terror orginazations and countries who vow to eliminate races of people and want nothing more then to spread their secular agenda.
I want the Palestinian people to taste real freedom,and I hope they do soon.But following Hamas is only going to get more of them killed and delay real freedom.
Hamas loves a high body count and has been able to use it to their advantage in social media and the pr war.True Palestinian concern from them,I don't think so.
Edit-besides freedom, I'm sure they want dignity, respect, and compassion, something we all deserve.
I think this is another problem which propaganda has contributed to greatly. I see a great deal of neglected responsibility from Hamas as well as the Israeli government. Armed with the knowledge that the world largely equates Hamas with Palestinians with Arabs with Islam, and that the world largely equates the Israeli government with the Israeli People with Zionists with Jews - you would think both parties would take strong humanistic stances: that is a tremendous weight to bear. Whether Hamas' actions are inhumane are up for contention and I would not be naive enough to assume complete innocence from Hamas. As far as the Israeli government's involvement - just the past few weeks are as far back as you need to look to gather my opinion on that.
For the record, my friend, I would seriously hope that those of us on here are smart enough to see through the riff-raff and comprehend that even the most vile of actions from one or few people (especially when granted a position of power) should not sway one's opinion of a larger group it represents.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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Maybe 3? At the most. They dnt have a huge innocent death till because they're NOT attacking civilians. Can Israel say the same? Doubt it. And before u say rocket attacks, who the fuck knows who's launching what rockets into Israel. Didn't someone post that Israel just bought the most amount of rockets from the us this year alone? And before you also tell me they wouldn't do that to themselves. My response will be look back at the 3 Israeli teens killed and when the world was notified that they were dead. How long after Israel knew? 2 weeks? And with iron dome being so effective why not launch missiles at themselves if they know they won't make it past the dome? Not hard to imagine.JC29856 said:How many innocents have Hamas killed since their rise to prominence?
Can't find or get an answer...terrorist usually take credit for their work.
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Ben, yes my friend, I do also hope that people can use criticle thinking and educate themselves. Make their own conclusions.benjs said:
badbrains,badbrains said:
Hey man, u know, this statement, although I agree with mostly, the part I'm not understanding is that do you think these Palestinian people have no feelings or hearts? Like what people would want their own people to be slaughtered? These people are humans just like u and me. They cry, they bleed, the laugh and they shit just like you and I. I find it disturbing that some people believe that Palestinians aren't humans, dnt feel dnt love dnt respect. Basically like animals. And that couldn't be farther from the truth. And RR, I'm not directing this at you, I'm saying it as to all the people who think Hamas uses humans shields, Hamas loads bombs on children to blow up. Shit like that. It just makes it look like these people aren't humans and only barbaric animals. They're not, they're just humans trying to taste something they haven't tasted for over 60+ years. Freedom, something EVERYONE alive should have. Something so precious but yet so far away.rr165892 said:Sympathy for the people of Gaza is understandable.Calling out Israeli tactics as heavy handed and harsh also fair and understandable.Questioning the money given to foreign countries who support war,also justified and worthy of discussion.
Buying this BULLSHIT that Hamas is just a cute little group of freedom fighters who only want palestininian freedom is Moronic.I can't believe the terrorist Propoganda some of you are willing to so easily go along with.You don't have to choose sides,or approve of any actions here,but to forget about a group that straps bombs to kids and blows up innocent people in markets and busses for fun is mind numbing.
These are not poor farmers fighting with pitchforks,they are a group funded by terror orginazations and countries who vow to eliminate races of people and want nothing more then to spread their secular agenda.
I want the Palestinian people to taste real freedom,and I hope they do soon.But following Hamas is only going to get more of them killed and delay real freedom.
Hamas loves a high body count and has been able to use it to their advantage in social media and the pr war.True Palestinian concern from them,I don't think so.
Edit-besides freedom, I'm sure they want dignity, respect, and compassion, something we all deserve.
I think this is another problem which propaganda has contributed to greatly. I see a great deal of neglected responsibility from Hamas as well as the Israeli government. Armed with the knowledge that the world largely equates Hamas with Palestinians with Arabs with Islam, and that the world largely equates the Israeli government with the Israeli People with Zionists with Jews - you would think both parties would take strong humanistic stances: that is a tremendous weight to bear. Whether Hamas' actions are inhumane are up for contention and I would not be naive enough to assume complete innocence from Hamas. As far as the Israeli government's involvement - just the past few weeks are as far back as you need to look to gather my opinion on that.
For the record, my friend, I would seriously hope that those of us on here are smart enough to see through the riff-raff and comprehend that even the most vile of actions from one or few people (especially when granted a position of power) should not sway one's opinion of a larger group it represents.0 -
Evil has no religious or ethnic boundaries.In fact it hides behind exactly those thingsbenjs said:
badbrains,badbrains said:
Hey man, u know, this statement, although I agree with mostly, the part I'm not understanding is that do you think these Palestinian people have no feelings or hearts? Like what people would want their own people to be slaughtered? These people are humans just like u and me. They cry, they bleed, the laugh and they shit just like you and I. I find it disturbing that some people believe that Palestinians aren't humans, dnt feel dnt love dnt respect. Basically like animals. And that couldn't be farther from the truth. And RR, I'm not directing this at you, I'm saying it as to all the people who think Hamas uses humans shields, Hamas loads bombs on children to blow up. Shit like that. It just makes it look like these people aren't humans and only barbaric animals. They're not, they're just humans trying to taste something they haven't tasted for over 60+ years. Freedom, something EVERYONE alive should have. Something so precious but yet so far away.rr165892 said:Sympathy for the people of Gaza is understandable.Calling out Israeli tactics as heavy handed and harsh also fair and understandable.Questioning the money given to foreign countries who support war,also justified and worthy of discussion.
Buying this BULLSHIT that Hamas is just a cute little group of freedom fighters who only want palestininian freedom is Moronic.I can't believe the terrorist Propoganda some of you are willing to so easily go along with.You don't have to choose sides,or approve of any actions here,but to forget about a group that straps bombs to kids and blows up innocent people in markets and busses for fun is mind numbing.
These are not poor farmers fighting with pitchforks,they are a group funded by terror orginazations and countries who vow to eliminate races of people and want nothing more then to spread their secular agenda.
I want the Palestinian people to taste real freedom,and I hope they do soon.But following Hamas is only going to get more of them killed and delay real freedom.
Hamas loves a high body count and has been able to use it to their advantage in social media and the pr war.True Palestinian concern from them,I don't think so.
Edit-besides freedom, I'm sure they want dignity, respect, and compassion, something we all deserve.
I think this is another problem which propaganda has contributed to greatly. I see a great deal of neglected responsibility from Hamas as well as the Israeli government. Armed with the knowledge that the world largely equates Hamas with Palestinians with Arabs with Islam, and that the world largely equates the Israeli government with the Israeli People with Zionists with Jews - you would think both parties would take strong humanistic stances: that is a tremendous weight to bear. Whether Hamas' actions are inhumane are up for contention and I would not be naive enough to assume complete innocence from Hamas. As far as the Israeli government's involvement - just the past few weeks are as far back as you need to look to gather my opinion on that.
For the record, my friend, I would seriously hope that those of us on here are smart enough to see through the riff-raff and comprehend that even the most vile of actions from one or few people (especially when granted a position of power) should not sway one's opinion of a larger group it represents.0 -
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What is jimmy Peanuts now 105 ?badbrains said:0 -
No Jose it Dosent .I think the worst president we have had in modern times should be able to live forever.Maybe he can weigh in on oil embargoes,Iranian hostages,Interest rates and unemployment.josevolution said:0 -
History will certainly disagree with that...
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And not launching rockets at Israel never helped the Palestinian cause either. During long periods when the Palestinians launched no rockets, did the Israelis begin loosening restrictions on Gaza and ending the blockade? No.JimmyV said:
Are "symbolic" rocket attacks helping to prevent anything you just described? Are they changing the status quo in any way? Have they saved a single Palestinian life? I don't see that they have. Meanwhile, they give the Israelis cover to continue their onslaught and provide "news" outlets with fodder to paint the Palestinians as the aggressors. I remain unconvinced that these rockets are helping the Palestinian cause in Gaza in any way.
Did they begin withdrawing illegal settlers from the West Bank? No.
You assume that the rocket attacks are the cause of Israel's illegal occupation. They aren't. They're a symptom of it.
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Yeah, because the occupation began in 1967, and Hamas only came into existence in 1987.josevolution said:
I ask again , would Israel have taken land that was not theirs if there was no Hamas in the picture , would all Palestinians enjoy all their freedom that every Israeli enjoys ....
Harping on about Hamas and rockets is just an excuse. They have nothing to do with the professed aim of the Zionists and of the reality on the ground. Land expropriation and ethnic cleansing.Post edited by Byrnzie on0 -
No, I don't assume that. I see Hamas firing rockets with no effect, Israel claiming they are responding to those attacks, media outlets running with that story, and innocent men, women and children being slaughtered.Byrnzie said:
And not launching rockets at Israel never helped the Palestinian cause either. During long periods when the Palestinians launched no rockets, did the Israelis begin loosening restrictions on Gaza and ending the blockade? No.JimmyV said:
Are "symbolic" rocket attacks helping to prevent anything you just described? Are they changing the status quo in any way? Have they saved a single Palestinian life? I don't see that they have. Meanwhile, they give the Israelis cover to continue their onslaught and provide "news" outlets with fodder to paint the Palestinians as the aggressors. I remain unconvinced that these rockets are helping the Palestinian cause in Gaza in any way.
Did they begin withdrawing illegal settlers from the West Bank? No.
You assume that the rocket attacks are the cause of Israel's illegal occupation. They aren't. They're a symptom of it.
The rockets are not helping the Palestinian people. It is time to try something else.
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