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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    those examples are hollow and weak at best... anyone can youtube search human shields... where are the reports from independent fact finders, where are the pics and videos of civilians dead along with massive cache of artillery?
    hardy convincing... i cant even give you a nice try since all you did was search youtube.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    fuck said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    surprised they haven't said "kidnapped", just to skew it further.

    They have used that word.

    Captured, an ducted, kidnapped... that really all means the same thing to me. That a soldier was taken. I don't give a shit which word is used. It changes nothing. Are people really gullible enough to allow those different words to influence their impression of what happened? That's pathetic.
    Are you not aware of how media works? Different words elicit different emotions from readers/viewers...
    Of course I am aware of how the media works. My point is that people who fall for it are being idiots.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    PJ_Soul said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    surprised they haven't said "kidnapped", just to skew it further.

    They have used that word.

    Captured, abducted, kidnapped... that really all means the same thing to me. That a soldier was taken. I don't give a shit which word is used. It changes nothing. Are people really gullible enough to allow those different words to influence their impression of what happened? That's pathetic.
    Of course there is a difference:
    Abduct: to seize or take away by force
    Kidnap: to take away by force in order to keep a person a prisoner and demand money for the return of that person
    Capture: the act of taking and holding someone as a prisoner

    The term capture, most of the time, is used in war. POW's from Vietnam or Iraq aren't referred to as kidnapped or abducted. They were captured. This is a war so if the reports are accurate, this Israeli soldier was captured in a war and is a POW.

    I know it is small, but there is a difference. That is why the the news channels are using the terms kidnap and abducted. It just supports Israel's side of the mean, terrible Palestinians breaking the "cease fire."
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    Last-12-Exit said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    surprised they haven't said "kidnapped", just to skew it further.

    They have used that word.

    Captured, abducted, kidnapped... that really all means the same thing to me. That a soldier was taken. I don't give a shit which word is used. It changes nothing. Are people really gullible enough to allow those different words to influence their impression of what happened? That's pathetic.
    Of course there is a difference:
    Abduct: to seize or take away by force
    Kidnap: to take away by force in order to keep a person a prisoner and demand money for the return of that person
    Capture: the act of taking and holding someone as a prisoner

    The term capture, most of the time, is used in war. POW's from Vietnam or Iraq aren't referred to as kidnapped or abducted. They were captured. This is a war so if the reports are accurate, this Israeli soldier was captured in a war and is a POW.

    I know it is small, but there is a difference. That is why the the news channels are using the terms kidnap and abducted. It just supports Israel's side of the mean, terrible Palestinians breaking the "cease fire."
    Kay everyone, I get it. I actually have a degree in English lit and do understand the subtleties of language, lol. ;) What I meant is that I think it takes a very gullible fool to not understand that in this situation "kidnapped" is no different than "captured".

    Although as it turns out, from what I just read in the Times, the Israelis now think the soldier was killed in battle and not taken at all.... that said, still sounds like the truce was broken by Palestinian militants (or Hamas, or maybe those are the same thing or not... who knows).
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited August 2014
    bootlegger10 said:

    Do you think the the UN cares about schools and hospitals because of the bricks and mortar of the buildings? No, it is because there are innocent people that are in those buildings. So using a school to store weapons is in fact using people as a shield and is putting innocent people at risk who may go to that school after it has been turned into a target by Hamas.

    Anyway, after 5 posts of deflecting, I can only conclude you are okay with Hamas storing weapons in schools. No one is going to think you support Israel if you are critical of Hamas. They might actually respect you for being thoughtful instead of close-minded to anything that doesn't support your view.

    For example: It is not okay for Hamas to kidnap a soldier during an agreed upon ceasefire, but that doesn't make it right for Israel to retaliate and kill 50+ civilians in Palestine. If you can't admit that it makes you sound like you just don't like Israel instead of supporting Palestinians.

    When UNRWA workers entered those two schools they were empty of people. They'd already been abandoned. Therefore, no human shields were used. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? The UNRWA workers reported that they'd discovered weapons in those two schools, and at the same time they reported that both schools were empty at the time. You choose to believe one part of their report whilst dismissing the other. Why is that?

    And no, I'm not o.k with Hamas using schools to store weapons, if the schools are empty or otherwise.
    According to Hamas the Israeli's began shelling Rafah before they moved through the tunnel and kidnapped the soldier. But that's current;y open to question,

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited August 2014
    rafie said:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J08GqXMr3YE

    This video is entitled 'Hamas using children as human shield', yet it shows nothing of the sort. What it shows is some fighters carrying children out of dangerously open spaces, away from harms reach.

    Are you really this desperate?

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited August 2014
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/nora-barrows-friedman/israeli-airstrike-massacres-family-prominent-physician-and-author

    Israeli airstrike massacres family of prominent physician and author
    08/02/2014

    An Israeli airstrike on Khan Younis in southern Gaza massacred nine members of the El-Farra family, including five children, early Friday morning.

    The El-Farra family are relatives of physician Dr. Mona El-Farra, who has been frequently updating The Electronic Intifada on the ever worsening situation there.

    “The house was hit with a rocket, and the whole neighborhood started leaving, running in the street,” she told The Electronic Intifada in an interview on Saturday. “Another rocket, or missile, struck the children and the women who were running outside of the house.”


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    Yara Abed Al Salam El-Farra, 8 years old, was killed in an Israeli airstrike on Friday in Khan Younis.

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    Six members of the El-Farra family who were killed in their home Friday.

    Testimony at US Congress

    Dr. El-Farra is the aunt of author and journalist Laila El-Haddad, who testified about the massacre during a Congressional briefing Friday on US complicity in Israel’s onslaught on Gaza, which at the time of publication had claimed nearly 1,700 lives there.

    “I woke up this morning and I learned that my tax dollars killed eight of my family members in Gaza. They were given an eight-second warning,” El-Haddad stated to members of Congress.

    Dr. El-Farra works at the Palestine Red Crescent Society and is the director of Gaza projects at the Middle East Children’s Alliance. She has been working around the clock treating patients — even after receiving Friday’s devastating news — and she and her colleagues receive hundreds of people needing treatment every day as medical supplies continue to run low or are completely depleted.

    Last week, Dr. El-Farra warned that the situation in Gaza was going to worsen dramatically because of the dwindling availability of water, electricity, basic medications and medical supplies.

    ...According to Mohammed Omer reporting for Al Jazeera English, “At least 1,680 Palestinians have been killed and 8,500 others hurt in Gaza since Israel’s military offensive began” on 7 July.

    “On Friday, an Israeli tank shell struck an ambulance in Rafah, killing three medical crew members: Yousef Elshiekh Eid, Yousef Darabeh, and Atef Alzamli. Meanwhile, the city’s only hospital, Abu Yousef Al Najjar, has been under constant Israeli artillery shelling, forcing doctors to evacuate their patients and the dead bodies,” he added.

    ...Israeli daily Haaretz reported that according to the United Nations children’s agency UNICEF, by Saturday morning at least 296 children had been killed in the Gaza Strip since the operation began — approximately one third of the fatalities. UNICEF says that of these 296 children, 187 are boys and 109 are girls, with at least 203 of the victims under the age of 12.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited August 2014
    The UN says it gave the school's co-ordinates to Israel 17 times. 17 times it gave Israel the co-ordinates and said the building was housing children and displaced civilians. And yet Israel bombed it. They bombed it and killed every civilian inside.

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/shows/earlyedition/highlights/rachel-smalley-1aug2014
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited August 2014
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    rafie said:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu-e5qWXx-k

    Seriously? "Rockets are launched here from the Gazan side into Israel." Therefore we're supposed to assume that she means rockets are launched from the hospital she happens to be standing outside of.

    It's almost comical.

    I feel even more proud now that this rafie person despises me. It tells me that I'm doing something right.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Check out the satellite images of the destruction. Slide over the images for before and after.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/matthewtucker/before-and-after-satellite-images-of-israels-operation-prote?utm_source=digg&utm_medium=twitter&s=mobile
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/03/israel-air-strike-un-school-gaza-rafah

    Israeli air strike hits UN school in Gaza

    Ten people killed and dozens wounded in new missile attack on UN-run school in Rafah, according to witnesses

    theguardian.com, 3 August 2014

    An Israeli air strike has killed at least 10 people and wounded about 30 others in a UN-run school in the southern Gaza Strip, witnesses and medics said, as dozens died in renewed Israeli shelling of the enclave.

    The Israeli military declined immediate comment on the attack, the second to hit a UN school in less than a week.

    A missile launched by an aircraft struck the entrance to the school in Rafah, the witnesses and medics said.

    Witnesses said there was an explosion at about 10.30am just outside the gates of the Rafah Preparatory A Boys school.

    A group of children and some adults were buying sweets and biscuits from hawkers.

    There have been a considerable number of air strikes in the area overnight and on Sunday morning. Witnesses said there was a deep hole in the ground about eight metres from the school gates that was new, and blood on the floor was being cleaned up.

    More than 2,000 people were thought to be seeking refuge in the school, many of them from the east of Rafah where there has been very heavy bombing since Friday, with at least 100 people thought to have been killed in the last few days.

    Last Wednesday, at least 15 Palestinians who sought refuge in a UN-run school in Jabalya refugee camp were killed during fighting, and the UN said it appeared that Israeli artillery had hit the building.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    The tail wagging the dog, again.

    Netanyahu in cabinet commenting on Obama in 2009: "This guy doesn't get it, does he?"

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/02/netanyahu-warns-us-israel-gaza-ceasefire-second-guess

    Netanyahu warns US not to try to force Israel into a Gaza ceasefire

    • Israel PM tells US ‘not to ever second-guess me again’
    • US and UN called naive over failed ceasefire with Hamas



    Associated Press in Washington
    theguardian.com, Saturday 2 August 2014


    Following the quick collapse of the ceasefire in Gaza, the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, told the White House not to force a truce with Palestinian militants.

    ...The Obama administration on Friday condemned “outrageous” violations of an internationally brokered Gaza ceasefire by Palestinian militants and called the apparent capture of an Israeli soldier a “barbaric” action.

    The strong reaction came as top Israeli officials questioned the effort to forge the truce, accusing the US and the United Nations of being naive in assuming Hamas would adhere to its terms. The officials also blamed the Gulf state of Qatar for not forcing the militants to comply.

    ...Obama and other US officials did not directly blame Hamas for the abduction. But they made clear they hold Hamas responsible for, or having influence over, the actions of all factions in the Gaza Strip. The language was a distinct change from Thursday, when Washington was focused on the deaths of Palestinian civilians.

    Netanyahu told Shapiro the Obama administration was “not to ever second-guess me again” and that Washington should trust his judgment on how to deal with Hamas, according to the people. Netanyahu added that he now “expected” the US and other countries to fully support Israel’s offensive in Gaza, according to those familiar with the call. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorised to discuss the matter by name.
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    So Obama is Netanyahu's bitch. That's nice to know. Gives me all sorts of confidence in the office of the president and it's cabinet.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,600
    Last-12-Exit said:

    So Obama is Netanyahu's bitch. That's nice to know. Gives me all sorts of confidence in the office of the president and it's cabinet.

    I voted for this president twice and I've never been more disappointed by his performance than I have been these last few weeks.

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    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    You mean you didn't know that any us elected president takes it in the ash from Israel? Second guessing means no lube next time. 99.9% of us elected officials suck Israeli di(k. Now you know...
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Israeli air and artillery strikes and Hamas mortars and rockets are often presented as if they balanced each other out in terms of lethality. But the most important statistic here is that some 1,500 Palestinians have been killed as opposed to 3 civilians in Israel.
    Since 2001, 27 Israeli civilians have been killed by rockets fired from Palestine.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Check how many times you representatives went to Israel then compare to the visits to Palestine.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,600
    My representative is even worse. A freshman Democrat from a politically connected family (I'm from Massachusetts so you can probably guess which one) who has taken to posting AIPAC scripted Facebook updates and who is running unopposed in November.
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    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    JimmyV said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    So Obama is Netanyahu's bitch. That's nice to know. Gives me all sorts of confidence in the office of the president and it's cabinet.

    I voted for this president twice and I've never been more disappointed by his performance than I have been these last few weeks.

    again, did you not listen to his Aipac speeches? did you not know his views prior to voting for him?

    What were u expecting? Him to really be any different?

    Nothing is really shocking, you got what u voted for, a circus monkey.
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