Imagine That -- I’m Still Anti-War

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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Israel and Hamas agree to a 72 hours unconditional humanitarian ceasefire to begin Friday morning:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/28596609

    I think it's weird for them to only agree to only a 72 hour ceasefire, but I guess the point is what? To allow people to have 3 days to flee? Where might they flee to?

    Watch the conversation with the Israeli soldier on the second video. WHAAAAAAATTTTTTT!?!?
    Nice to know he sleeps comfortably at night. Wow is right Ben!
    http://youtu.be/lEJTb1BnEVc
    Sleeping above the main Hamas command centre might not be the best call.

    http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/180730/top-secret-hamas-command-bunker-in-gaza-revealed
    Whole world is watching and guess what, the squeeze is getting tighter around YOU guys.
    When you use the word YOU as you do above in "you guys" what exactly do you mean?

    I am not Israeli. I am not an IDF soldier. I have criticized the Israeli government myself. I want the end of this conflict AND the end of Hamas. Please clarify.
    Probably the same thing as when you say "to many of you on here have no real understanding of the pieces that are moving around the chess board"


  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    dignin said:



    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Israel and Hamas agree to a 72 hours unconditional humanitarian ceasefire to begin Friday morning:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/28596609

    I think it's weird for them to only agree to only a 72 hour ceasefire, but I guess the point is what? To allow people to have 3 days to flee? Where might they flee to?

    Watch the conversation with the Israeli soldier on the second video. WHAAAAAAATTTTTTT!?!?
    Nice to know he sleeps comfortably at night. Wow is right Ben!
    http://youtu.be/lEJTb1BnEVc
    Sleeping above the main Hamas command centre might not be the best call.

    http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/180730/top-secret-hamas-command-bunker-in-gaza-revealed
    Whole world is watching and guess what, the squeeze is getting tighter around YOU guys.
    When you use the word YOU as you do above in "you guys" what exactly do you mean?

    I am not Israeli. I am not an IDF soldier. I have criticized the Israeli government myself. I want the end of this conflict AND the end of Hamas. Please clarify.
    Probably the same thing as when you say "to many of you on here have no real understanding of the pieces that are moving around the chess board"


    HA. Touché!
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Israel and Hamas agree to a 72 hours unconditional humanitarian ceasefire to begin Friday morning:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/28596609

    I think it's weird for them to only agree to only a 72 hour ceasefire, but I guess the point is what? To allow people to have 3 days to flee? Where might they flee to?

    Watch the conversation with the Israeli soldier on the second video. WHAAAAAAATTTTTTT!?!?
    Nice to know he sleeps comfortably at night. Wow is right Ben!
    http://youtu.be/lEJTb1BnEVc
    Sleeping above the main Hamas command centre might not be the best call.

    http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/180730/top-secret-hamas-command-bunker-in-gaza-revealed
    Whole world is watching and guess what, the squeeze is getting tighter around YOU guys.
    When you use the word YOU as you do above in "you guys" what exactly do you mean?

    I am not Israeli. I am not an IDF soldier. I have criticized the Israeli government myself. I want the end of this conflict AND the end of Hamas. Please clarify.
    YOU as in YOU GUYS WHO SUPPORT this rogue nation. Get it? Stop FUCKEN trying to label me an anti-Semite or fucken racist. You look REAL cool doing it, especially when I'm calling for PEACE. So I'm gonna ask you BS for the last fucken time to get the fuck off my back. Bro, you want to talk shit and call me a racist, use your fucken PM function. I'm sure you're smart enough to figure that out. Fucken so desperate you stoop to trying to "non" directly call us out like we're some kind of bigots. I'd SWEAR you work for a lobby group or some shit like that. You come here and poke, ironically like Israel, and you keep poking till you get under someone's skin. I can give 2 shits to you after this post. I'm DONE with you and you're posts. Go call someone else a racist or bigot or silly or whatever thrills you. You OBVIOUSLY dnt read any of the shit I post. So run along and go away. I feel like you're fucken stalking me. Jesus.

    Edit- if I choose to ignore this troll, does that mean I won't see ANY of his posts? I dnt really know how this new site works nor do I care. I just want to this guy to leave.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    dignin said:



    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Israel and Hamas agree to a 72 hours unconditional humanitarian ceasefire to begin Friday morning:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/28596609

    I think it's weird for them to only agree to only a 72 hour ceasefire, but I guess the point is what? To allow people to have 3 days to flee? Where might they flee to?

    Watch the conversation with the Israeli soldier on the second video. WHAAAAAAATTTTTTT!?!?
    Nice to know he sleeps comfortably at night. Wow is right Ben!
    http://youtu.be/lEJTb1BnEVc
    Sleeping above the main Hamas command centre might not be the best call.

    http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/180730/top-secret-hamas-command-bunker-in-gaza-revealed
    Whole world is watching and guess what, the squeeze is getting tighter around YOU guys.
    When you use the word YOU as you do above in "you guys" what exactly do you mean?

    I am not Israeli. I am not an IDF soldier. I have criticized the Israeli government myself. I want the end of this conflict AND the end of Hamas. Please clarify.
    Probably the same thing as when you say "to many of you on here have no real understanding of the pieces that are moving around the chess board"


    There are pieces moving around the chess board though. The region is aflame and for some reason mentioning any of the other players on here always results in DEFLECTION. Again...Israel can be gone tomorrow and it won't matter one lick. ISIS, Syria, Libya, Hamas...it is full scale destruction and shortly the Taliban will be back as well. Anyone who wants peace has to understand that this matters. Leaving the palestinians to the fate of Hamas will not be a happy ending. Egypt, Jordan and the Palestinian Authority get this so no matter what Geraldo and Massive Attack think the chess game will go on.
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    dignin said:



    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Israel and Hamas agree to a 72 hours unconditional humanitarian ceasefire to begin Friday morning:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/28596609

    I think it's weird for them to only agree to only a 72 hour ceasefire, but I guess the point is what? To allow people to have 3 days to flee? Where might they flee to?

    Watch the conversation with the Israeli soldier on the second video. WHAAAAAAATTTTTTT!?!?
    Nice to know he sleeps comfortably at night. Wow is right Ben!
    http://youtu.be/lEJTb1BnEVc
    Sleeping above the main Hamas command centre might not be the best call.

    http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/180730/top-secret-hamas-command-bunker-in-gaza-revealed
    Whole world is watching and guess what, the squeeze is getting tighter around YOU guys.
    When you use the word YOU as you do above in "you guys" what exactly do you mean?

    I am not Israeli. I am not an IDF soldier. I have criticized the Israeli government myself. I want the end of this conflict AND the end of Hamas. Please clarify.
    Probably the same thing as when you say "to many of you on here have no real understanding of the pieces that are moving around the chess board"


    Exactly and like when he says,"so you support Hamas" when anyone criticizes Israel. Like really man? Wtf
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:



    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Israel and Hamas agree to a 72 hours unconditional humanitarian ceasefire to begin Friday morning:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/28596609

    I think it's weird for them to only agree to only a 72 hour ceasefire, but I guess the point is what? To allow people to have 3 days to flee? Where might they flee to?

    Watch the conversation with the Israeli soldier on the second video. WHAAAAAAATTTTTTT!?!?
    Nice to know he sleeps comfortably at night. Wow is right Ben!
    http://youtu.be/lEJTb1BnEVc
    Sleeping above the main Hamas command centre might not be the best call.

    http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/180730/top-secret-hamas-command-bunker-in-gaza-revealed
    Whole world is watching and guess what, the squeeze is getting tighter around YOU guys.
    When you use the word YOU as you do above in "you guys" what exactly do you mean?

    I am not Israeli. I am not an IDF soldier. I have criticized the Israeli government myself. I want the end of this conflict AND the end of Hamas. Please clarify.
    Probably the same thing as when you say "to many of you on here have no real understanding of the pieces that are moving around the chess board"


    There are pieces moving around the chess board though. The region is aflame and for some reason mentioning any of the other players on here always results in DEFLECTION. Again...Israel can be gone tomorrow and it won't matter one lick. ISIS, Syria, Libya, Hamas...it is full scale destruction and shortly the Taliban will be back as well. Anyone who wants peace has to understand that this matters. Leaving the palestinians to the fate of Hamas will not be a happy ending. Egypt, Jordan and the Palestinian Authority get this so no matter what Geraldo and Massive Attack think the chess game will go on.
    Now I def know you dnt read anything I post.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Israel and Hamas agree to a 72 hours unconditional humanitarian ceasefire to begin Friday morning:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/28596609

    I think it's weird for them to only agree to only a 72 hour ceasefire, but I guess the point is what? To allow people to have 3 days to flee? Where might they flee to?

    Watch the conversation with the Israeli soldier on the second video. WHAAAAAAATTTTTTT!?!?
    Nice to know he sleeps comfortably at night. Wow is right Ben!
    http://youtu.be/lEJTb1BnEVc
    Sleeping above the main Hamas command centre might not be the best call.

    http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/180730/top-secret-hamas-command-bunker-in-gaza-revealed
    Whole world is watching and guess what, the squeeze is getting tighter around YOU guys.
    When you use the word YOU as you do above in "you guys" what exactly do you mean?

    I am not Israeli. I am not an IDF soldier. I have criticized the Israeli government myself. I want the end of this conflict AND the end of Hamas. Please clarify.
    YOU as in YOU GUYS WHO SUPPORT this rogue nation. Get it? Stop FUCKEN trying to label me an anti-Semite or fucken racist. You look REAL cool doing it, especially when I'm calling for PEACE. So I'm gonna ask you BS for the last fucken time to get the fuck off my back. Bro, you want to talk shit and call me a racist, use your fucken PM function. I'm sure you're smart enough to figure that out. Fucken so desperate you stoop to trying to "non" directly call us out like we're some kind of bigots. I'd SWEAR you work for a lobby group or some shit like that. You come here and poke, ironically like Israel, and you keep poking till you get under someone's skin. I can give 2 shits to you after this post. I'm DONE with you and you're posts. Go call someone else a racist or bigot or silly or whatever thrills you. You OBVIOUSLY dnt read any of the shit I post. So run along and go away. I feel like you're fucken stalking me. Jesus.

    Edit- if I choose to ignore this troll, does that mean I won't see ANY of his posts? I dnt really know how this new site works nor do I care. I just want to this guy to leave.
    Stalking you? Hmmm...This evening I entered the chat commenting on something by PJSoul and off you went replying to me with "Ummmm, idk where u get your info from but that's not what I read. I'll leave it at that as to not get into with you. I'm gonna practice restraint. I said practice, no guarantee I won't mouth off to anyone, but I'm gonna try."

    It appears that anytime I post something that counters your narrative (which I read by the way...I have read every post on here) you just can't help yourself. Something about me just makes you so mad. A couple of posts ago I was a Liar. Now I work for lobby group. Well guess what? I'm just a guy. Nothing more nothing less. Fan club member 183xxx, member since 1999. I have my own opinions and like you I am entitled to them. #endthewar #freegazafromhamas

  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    badbrains said:

    dignin said:



    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Israel and Hamas agree to a 72 hours unconditional humanitarian ceasefire to begin Friday morning:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/28596609

    I think it's weird for them to only agree to only a 72 hour ceasefire, but I guess the point is what? To allow people to have 3 days to flee? Where might they flee to?

    Watch the conversation with the Israeli soldier on the second video. WHAAAAAAATTTTTTT!?!?
    Nice to know he sleeps comfortably at night. Wow is right Ben!
    http://youtu.be/lEJTb1BnEVc
    Sleeping above the main Hamas command centre might not be the best call.

    http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/180730/top-secret-hamas-command-bunker-in-gaza-revealed
    Whole world is watching and guess what, the squeeze is getting tighter around YOU guys.
    When you use the word YOU as you do above in "you guys" what exactly do you mean?

    I am not Israeli. I am not an IDF soldier. I have criticized the Israeli government myself. I want the end of this conflict AND the end of Hamas. Please clarify.
    Probably the same thing as when you say "to many of you on here have no real understanding of the pieces that are moving around the chess board"


    Exactly and like when he says,"so you support Hamas" when anyone criticizes Israel. Like really man? Wtf
    This is not something I have ever said. To suggest that is a willful distortion. You can criticize Israel. You can want the end of Hamas at the same time. Not mutually exclusive views. Some of you only want to discuss one while refusing to discuss the other. When I mention this I get accused of DEFLECTION.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    fuck said:

    Would you [...] Write essays like this for deaf ears?


    He's right about this. Most people just don't give a fuck.
    They just keep repeating to themselves that Hamas are 'terrorists' and dismiss everything else. And it's precisely this kind of lazy, apathetic thinking that permits genocides to occur.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    BS44325 said:

    I want the end of this conflict AND the end of Hamas.

    Do you also want the end of the Zionists too? Or are they ok in your book? You know, those people with an ideology that's inspired them to wage a 60 year old race war against the Arabs, and given rise to such Palestinian defence forces as Hamas?

  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    BS44325 said:

    All the details make it seem like it is the same agreement Egypt put on the table on July 15th. Hamas turned it down and the Palestinians suffered in return. Agreement also allows Israel to continue to destroy tunnels during the ceasefire which they claim will only take another three days to complete. So it looks like Hamas capitulated and it is thankfully winding down. Now it is time for the world (and people on this forum) to throw there support behind the Palestinian Authority so that Hamas can be removed from the equation and a real peace can be forged.

    A real peace? And what do you mean by a real peace? Do you mean a 'peace' like that offered to the Israeli's by the PA, and disclosed by the Palestine Papers released by Wikileaks,which show that the PA offered the Israeli's the chance to keep all of their settlements, and in which they forfeited every single right they possessed under international law - including the right of return? Is that the kind of 'peace' you're referring to? Because the Israeli's rejected their offer.

    Keep pretending that Hamas is the problem.

  • shortstack
    shortstack Posts: 2,339
    edited August 2014
    any thoughts on petitions on whitehouse.gov?

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/condemn-apartheid-state-israel-their-human-rights-violations-against-palestinian-peoples/CjmPSCsG
    Post edited by shortstack on
    did you see me? i saw you.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited August 2014
    BS44325 said:

    This is not something I have ever said. To suggest that is a willful distortion. You can criticize Israel. You can want the end of Hamas at the same time. Not mutually exclusive views. Some of you only want to discuss one while refusing to discuss the other. When I mention this I get accused of DEFLECTION.

    You claim to read everything posted here. What do you think about the article 'fuck' posted?:

    Palestinian Resistance: an icon for those who long to live free

    There are nations and peoples, other than the Palestinians, who understand what it means to prefer to die fighting than die on their knees
    http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/palestinian-resistance-icon-those-who-long-live-free-1680919465

    You have nothing to say about it?

    Post edited by Byrnzie on
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited August 2014
    backseatLover12 said:

    I'm now bowing out getting personal with you. Care to do the same? I believe in communication, but communicating with an angry person is ridiculous. Nothing is ever solved that way.

    Does this man's anger bother you? Do you think it's wrong for him to be angry? Would you like to tell him that this conflict is simply about two sides needing to give up their egos? Would you like to tell him that he shouldn't be angry, but should instead talk about 'peace', and 'understanding', and that he should be more open-minded? Would you like to tell him that 'we can't control what happens in the Middle East' - despite our tax dollars funding the slaughter, and our politicians supporting it - and that he should do nothing, and criticize nobody, and talk about 'peace' and 'love' instead?

    Israel has gone mad..someone has to stop them!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKbofRIPmUs
    Post edited by Byrnzie on
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Byrnzie said:

    BS44325 said:

    I want the end of this conflict AND the end of Hamas.

    Do you also want the end of the Zionists too?

    Great question. Now we are getting somewhere. Answer though will depend on what you mean by Zionist. I have read all your posts so I know where you stand. Personally I have a problem with those that believe in an expansionist Israel based on some ridiculous biblical definition. There are a number of Jews that believe that all disputed land and even some more belong to the jewish people. That is just nonsense and "not ok in my book". Fortunately however the number of those jews are in the minority. I do believe however in the existence of Israel as a jewish state on some negotiated boundaries. (For people not up to speed Israel is predominantly a secular country so when someone describes it as a jewish state it is far more from a cultural then religious point of view.) What the final boundaries are, what walls should or should not come down based on security, what the right of return will be...all those details should be up for discussion by the people who actually live there (not me). Now I don't want a "race war" but I think by your previously posted definition you would still consider me a Zionist. I won't run from the label. I also won't allow you to convert the label into something evil. I'm just a guy. A guy who recognizes that Israel is not going away. It's borders might change but it's still going to be there and whether you like it or not at the end of the day it will be a Zionist like me that you will have to meet on the other side of the bargaining table.
  • Spags
    Spags Leigh-on-Sea, UK Posts: 3,057
    3 day peace is on.
    Nature drunk and High
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Byrnzie said:

    BS44325 said:

    This is not something I have ever said. To suggest that is a willful distortion. You can criticize Israel. You can want the end of Hamas at the same time. Not mutually exclusive views. Some of you only want to discuss one while refusing to discuss the other. When I mention this I get accused of DEFLECTION.

    You claim to read everything posted here. What do you think about the article 'fuck' posted?:

    Palestinian Resistance: an icon for those who long to live free

    There are nations and peoples, other than the Palestinians, who understand what it means to prefer to die fighting than die on their knees
    http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/palestinian-resistance-icon-those-who-long-live-free-1680919465

    You have nothing to say about it?

    Do I have to respond to every post on here? Make up your minds please! BadBrains wants me to leave and you want my thoughts on everything?

    I kid, I kid

    I read it before. I feel her pain...believe me I do. The problem is that resistance in ALL forms results in suicide bombings which results in retaliation, which results in more bombings, which results in walls, which results in missiles, which results in invasions, which results in more misery. Where does it end? You claim that this invasion is bringing the world to the Palestinian's side and I actually agree. The problem is effectively what does that mean? It's sadly Hashtag Support. Israel isn't going away and the poor Palestinians will be left as pawns in a far larger game. At some point resistance needs to end and negotiation needs to begin.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,728
    Is anybody here saying anything new? Or is this a hopeless debate that amounts to flinging the same insults at each other. Not that there aren't some good points here that might fit in well with other threads but why is this thread's topic being ignored? What are we doing here? It's like this:

    "OK, let's talk about prospects for peace and the idea of working together in a troubled, inhumane and basically fucked up world."

    "Yeah, sure, but hey!- did you see what those fuckers did?"

    "Yeah, well fuck that man, what about those fuckers?"

    "Fuck them."

    Peace, hmmmm.

    Fuck that?

    Hey and save the hate mail because I don't have any enemies here, just a few people who think I and some others here are assholes and full of shit. I for one am only an asshole and full of shit 8% of the time.




    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited August 2014
    BS44325 said:

    Great question. Now we are getting somewhere. Answer though will depend on what you mean by Zionist. I have read all your posts so I know where you stand. Personally I have a problem with those that believe in an expansionist Israel based on some ridiculous biblical definition. There are a number of Jews that believe that all disputed land and even some more belong to the jewish people. That is just nonsense and "not ok in my book". Fortunately however the number of those jews are in the minority. I do believe however in the existence of Israel as a jewish state on some negotiated boundaries. (For people not up to speed Israel is predominantly a secular country so when someone describes it as a jewish state it is far more from a cultural then religious point of view.) What the final boundaries are, what walls should or should not come down based on security, what the right of return will be...all those details should be up for discussion by the people who actually live there (not me). Now I don't want a "race war" but I think by your previously posted definition you would still consider me a Zionist. I won't run from the label. I also won't allow you to convert the label into something evil. I'm just a guy. A guy who recognizes that Israel is not going away. It's borders might change but it's still going to be there and whether you like it or not at the end of the day it will be a Zionist like me that you will have to meet on the other side of the bargaining table.

    Fair enough. Though Zionism isn't a cultural or religious ideology, it's a political ideology.
    Post edited by Byrnzie on
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    BS44325 said:

    I read it before. I feel her pain...believe me I do. The problem is that resistance in ALL forms results in suicide bombings which results in retaliation, which results in more bombings, which results in walls, which results in missiles, which results in invasions, which results in more misery. Where does it end? You claim that this invasion is bringing the world to the Palestinian's side and I actually agree. The problem is effectively what does that mean? It's sadly Hashtag Support. Israel isn't going away and the poor Palestinians will be left as pawns in a far larger game. At some point resistance needs to end and negotiation needs to begin.

    Nobody's called for Israel to go away as far as I'm aware. The Israeli's are entitled to live within their legal borders. The whole World accepts this - and Hamas have also stated that they accept it - and the U.S vetoes it every year when it comes to the voting table.

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