Gaza ***GRAPHIC PICS***

gimmesometruth27 said:

you can go ahead and post it on the train. you don't need anybody's permission to start threads. i try to make it a point to speak no ill of the dead, so i will not criticize them or their cause in your thread.

since the 2 state solution is pretty much a dead idea, why not just make one thread for the dead of both sides? one thread for the single state? maybe they can at least be united and at peace in death.

I find it as a very great idea...
Who is helping me?

No. I find it as a legitimate act of defence.
The greatest defence is attack.
Thats what WE are doing. Attacking those who terrorize us with missiles from Gaza and death tunnels leads into israeli communities close to the border with gaza.

The only thing that is painful for me is seeing the deep sorrow on the faces of the familys that lost their beloved ones on the both sides.
In turns me from inside. Allmost 20 days of tears and pain.
But we must be strong to end this horror once and for all.

Drowned Out said:

rr165892 said:

Drowned Out said:

Not true. The entire world supports a return to the 67 borders, the dismantling of the settlements, and an end to occupation/blockade. The US (and recently canada) stand alone in opposing this. The world is trying to stop israel, but the sole superpower won't allow it.

As for Europe....I'll let our euro friends address that. However, I notice you assume no responsibility for the huge role your country plays in creating extremists.

I think this is a reach.This scares the shit out of some countries who think it weakens a anti terror foothold in the region.

Not a stretch. I'm sure you've seen Byrnzie post the results of the UN votes on resolution 242. It is supported by the whole world, except for Canada (recently), the US, and a handful of island nations. Some countries could use a scare. If you're worried about extremists, there is probably a reason for it. Namely, support for Israel's atrocities.

rr165892 said:

Drowned Out said:

rr165892 said:

Drowned Out said:

badbrains said:

Meanwhile in gaza today....

https://twitter.com/pzfeed/status/491660759441891328

SivanMerili said:

dignin said:

rr165892 said:

Hams is a terrorist orginazations plain and simple,so don't get caught up in this propaganda saying otherwise.And just because we are all so fond of posting data here is a list of Hamas nice guy activities.If bus bombings,and market and pizza restaurant bombings aren't the same as cowardly terrorism then please enlighten me.I for one ,as a proud American do support Israel and want to help them any way possible dismantle and squash global terror.Heres your list. Read it before blindly following some of this nonsense and anti West,anti American,anti Jewish,anti Israeli nonsense.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

So you support fighting terrorism with terrorism?

And what do you suggest?
How should we fight terror?
By sending Hamas/Islamic Jihad/ ISIS 'peace pigeons'?

Let me put it this way..
If ill dig a tunnel that it porpuse is to kill you.. And you are aware to this kind of threat flying over your head.
What would you do?

I'd bomb every school, hospital, rehab centre, water facility, power plant, factory, farm, and child I could until there was no more enemy....of course. Perfectly reasonable response.

Funny you referenced Bibi's cartoon of tunnels going into Israeli kindergartens in this thread. Amazing that his flock just eat this shit up.

Isn't that where Hamas has been hiding its weapons?

In Israeli kindergartens? You're getting your self defense and your human shield talking points confused. Bibi's graphic showed terrorists tunnelling into Israeli kindergartens.

Now,now your more clever than that,c'mon man.
We both know only Hamas uses that play book.

Read what I wrote. Not sure what you're trying to say. Bibi showed a graphic of terrorists tunneling into Israeli kindergartens.....please direct me to information regarding this occurence. Because as far as I know, it's the leader of a supposedly free and democratic society, making up cartoon excuses for the slaughter of civilians.


http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/palestinians-kindergarten-netanyahu.html

I wasn't commenting on the cartoon ,I was commenting on the bombing of schools,hospital rehab centre comment.
It's getting tough to keep track I know.Maybe it's a beer break time and refocus for another round later.

SivanMerili said:

No. I find it as a legitimate act of defence.
The greatest defence is attack.
Thats what WE are doing. Attacking those who terrorize us with missiles from Gaza and death tunnels leads into israeli communities close to the border with gaza.

The only thing that is painful for me is seeing the deep sorrow on the faces of the familys that lost their beloved ones on the both sides.
In turns me from inside. Allmost 20 days of tears and pain.
But we must be strong to end this horror once and for all.

rr165892 said:

Since Sivan is the only poster I'm aware of that actually is in the middle of this disgusting shit storm,maybe some of you pro Palestinian folks can try to see it thru Sivans eyes.And possibly cut He/she some slack as we are out of harms way while posting and Sivan is not.Sivan has expressed concern and condolence for the same awful deaths of Palestinians you have.Difference is you all haven't reciprocated concern for Israeli injuries or deaths.Healthy debate about the governments or leaders causing this is another story,but a fellow PJ fan is in the middle of this and that should not be forgotten here.

I'm pro peace , and i'm sorry that i don't see it the way you see it ....I only see humans killing eachother ...

SivanMerili said:

No. I find it as a legitimate act of defence.
The greatest defence is attack.
Thats what WE are doing. Attacking those who terrorize us with missiles from Gaza and death tunnels leads into israeli communities close to the border with gaza.

The only thing that is painful for me is seeing the deep sorrow on the faces of the familys that lost their beloved ones on the both sides.
In turns me from inside. Allmost 20 days of tears and pain.
But we must be strong to end this horror once and for all.

I have two problems with this message, Sivan.

First: "The greatest defence is attack". This is an abhorrent (or, in simpler English terms, disgusting or sick) concept which I've already stated my opinion on: great logic for team sports, less so when you have LIVES to consider.

Second: "end this horror once and for all". I fail to see how this ground invasion leads to any end except for the eventual conclusion that Israel eradicates the entirety of the Palestinian population. With such an intelligent military, it's actually a bit insulting as a member of the public to think that the Israeli government expects me to believe that their tactics can lead to any OTHER end (ie. if you think Hamas leaders in wartime are living in civilian homes in Gaza, ready to have rockets dropped on them or militaries swarm them, think again). In fact, I'd go as far as rephrasing your statement to read that the horror is that there's only one end to this if things continue, and it resides in massive pools of blood.

The most frustrating part for me is that nothing will be changed by this offensive. Whenever it temporarily winds down the status quo will remain the same. Israel will still occupy Gaza, Hamas will still have missiles, and around and around we go.

The only difference is that these Palestinian civilians will still be dead. For nothing. Fucking heartbreaking.

gimmesometruth27 said:

rr165892 said:

Idris said:

SivanMerili said:

No. I find it as a legitimate act of defence.
The greatest defence is attack.
Thats what WE are doing. Attacking those who terrorize us with missiles from Gaza and death tunnels leads into israeli communities close to the border with gaza.

The only thing that is painful for me is seeing the deep sorrow on the faces of the familys that lost their beloved ones on the both sides.
In turns me from inside. Allmost 20 days of tears and pain.
But we must be strong to end this horror once and for all.

No. I find it as a legitimate act of defence.
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killing children is not a legitimate act/s of Defense.

Don't be a hypocrite,Hamas also has blood of children on its hands.Years and years of it.Keep it fair.Also Hamas bombs have also fallen short in this conflict and landed on Gaza soil causing death and injury.War is dirty and nasty.Both sides have fault for innocent death.But don't stand on a soap box like Hamas is innocent they certainly are not.

israel starves and malnourishes palestinian children in the blockade.

if you want to go child body count for body count, i promise you that more palestinian children have died than israeli children.

but the fact of this latest round of combat shows, israel is targeting and killing women and children. there is no disputing that.

prior to today, the previous 2 days (according to the UN) Israel has killed one child every hr in Gaza (2 days straight)

what is happing is not 'defense', its an outright massacre.

a massacre that the us is allowing to happen.

and we wonder why the rest of the world hates us.

it is about time somebody does something!!!

over under on when bibi forcefully puts this down??

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/24/west-bank-rise_n_5619332.html

West Bank Rises, Tens Of Thousands Join Largest March Since Last Intifada



Amid the ongoing Israeli assault on Gaza, the West Bank has risen.

Tens of thousands of Palestinians marched with President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah movement from the West Bank city of Ramallah toward Jerusalem to protest Israel's war on Hamas in Gaza, which has claimed the lives of nearly 800 Palestinians, many of them civilians.

The protest appears to be the largest mass demonstration since the 1980s. The uprising promises to be different from previous intifadas, partly because it comes in the wake of the Arab Spring, Occupy Wall Street and other mass protest movements around the globe. But the way in which the world engages with protest has also evolved, due to the advent of Twitter and cell phone video, which can focus attention on raw conflict in a way that bypasses the mainstream media. Today's march is being live tweeted at the hashtag #48kMarch.

Reuters reported that protests also broke out in Jerusalem itself, near the old walled city and outside the Al-Aqsa Mosque.



Haaretz reported that several protesters have already been killed by Israeli military forces. Reuters quoted hospital officials saying one person had been killed and three others were in critical condition and on life support. Some 200 protesters were injured, a hospital doctor told the news service.

Heather Hurlburt, a national security fellow at Human Rights First, said that Palestinian civil society and non-violence activists have been talking about massive, peaceful marches as a protest tactic since the Arab Spring in 2011. "No one in Israel or the West has much excuse to be surprised or unprepared for this tactic. They've had years to think about how to handle it peacefully," Hurlburt told HuffPost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RP0_66GTuI

Israel captured the West Bank, along with Gaza, during a 1967 war.