What do you really wish to accomplish by stating that both sides surf? Of course, one can only manage this miraculous feat with the protection and education of a US-based not-for-profit organization if you're living on a certain side of the border. Not to mention this is such a horrifyingly blatant deflection, which can be allowed on this forum, but NOT on this thread. Israelis, Palestinians, Jews, Arabs, the rest of the world: do not take this bait.
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Another day passes in the US and this massacre is still happening. Another day is about to rise in gaza and the shit will start again, not that they took a night break. The pain inside me that I feel for those Palestinians is sickening. I'm physically getting sick thinking and reading about this every fucken day. Forget about being ashamed about being an American, I'm ashamed to call myself a human. God be with ALL you innocent people of GAZA. I wish we had some iron dome to protect you guys from this assault and war crimes being inflicted upon you by Israel.
Here's a BIG FUCK YOU to ALL the Arab nations out there doing NOTHING. Grow some fucken balls you piece of shit leaders and DO SOMETHING. All you fucken Arab leaders are fake ass Muslims. You stand on the sidelines and allow Israel to rain hell down on them? I'll give the Israelis credit, they stick together when backed into a corner wether right or wrong. You fucken pieces of shit leaders who sold your souls to the devil for power and money. Some fucken Muslims you guys are. I blame Israel and all of you for allowing this to happen.
Imagine, just for a min, that you were born a Palestinian in gaza. Imagine
Hey buddy..2 things... First im very glsd we met in person and we got a drink and rockout together at a PJ show and didnt meet running to find a shelter while someone bombing us...we are lucky we got that and we leave in peace second..about the usa.. israel getting guns from usa hamas number 1 guns suplier is Qatar...and they getting guns from usa as well.. Go figure...
I am going to take a weekend break from this thread. Long day at work yesterday... Just checking in and this thread got weird. (Relatively speaking!!)
Anyway, D- you are very correct.
I believe the latest contract for Patriot missiles and helicopters from Qatar was $11B! Qatar is Hamas biggest supporter.
Wow, I just checked in and some of the stuff being said here by miss Israel is straight up appalling. She sounds just like her maniac leaders over there. Lies after lies being told and I'm gonna say something to all of you who have seen thru the lies, thru the smoke screens and deflections. BRAVO to all of you who are in here speaking up and posting links of facts and videos showing us in this community what the fuck is really happening. It's embarrassing we live in a world where people find it ok to kill women and children systematically.
I want to thank the people in here who are speaking up and screaming for this to stop. I dnt claim to be a great writer or anything. It's hard for me to put into words what my mind is thinking. Thank god I got people in here like the byrnzie's, the eldarion, the drowned outs, the gimmies and my Jewish friend Ben who have the ability to write great and post mostly things I'm thinking but have a hard time expressing especially with all this ANGER in me. and it's so fucken awesome to see NEW faces in here who are starting to see thru the lies and bullshit. Who are starting themselves to speak up! I applaud you for at least wanting to know what's going on. I'm sure there's a lot who are reading but not posting and that's awesome too. Dnt stop, continue to find the answers. The old people ruining this world, they're gonna be gone soon and it's gonna be up to us to change the world, to change the Ora of our earth. We have to, this can't continue to go on. Not anymore. Not in my name.
So in your neme work to save gaza from hamas/islamic jihad/ isis. Dont seat there and be greatful and spread links of 'facts'. Those fact are writen by people.. Individuals, with non objective stand, no matter on which side they will be. You want an objective fact? Go to gaza, live it. Then will talk. Untill you do that, i will not accept any attempts to support terror, to support hamas, to support the sufer of the palestinians in gaza. As long as youre here, protecting the inside terror in gaza, youre contributing to the sufer of the palestinians there. I will be here always to remaind you and to remind all the others here, that the terror is the mutual anemy of both sides, israelis and plestinian. People in both sides will die as long as the terror keep his head up. I posted here photos from terror acts towards israeli civilianze over the years.. Im not looking for empathy, im looking for understanding. The future will be as it is in these days, fighting, killing, inocents hurting, children, weman, babies, old, handicapped. Speek up always. Dont stop. You must show and see what terror leads to. Dont support hamas. Free gaza from hamas.
I don't agree with many of the arguments but I do give Sivan credit for overcoming a language barrier to voice unpopular opinions in an unfriendly environment. Takes guts to speak up when you know not many will agree.
So in your neme work to save gaza from hamas/islamic jihad/ isis. Dont seat there and be greatful and spread links of 'facts'. Those fact are writen by people.. Individuals, with non objective stand, no matter on which side they will be. You want an objective fact? Go to gaza, live it. Then will talk. Untill you do that, i will not accept any attempts to support terror, to support hamas, to support the sufer of the palestinians in gaza. As long as youre here, protecting the inside terror in gaza, youre contributing to the sufer of the palestinians there. I will be here always to remaind you and to remind all the others here, that the terror is the mutual anemy of both sides, israelis and plestinian. People in both sides will die as long as the terror keep his head up. I posted here photos from terror acts towards israeli civilianze over the years.. Im not looking for empathy, im looking for understanding. The future will be as it is in these days, fighting, killing, inocents hurting, children, weman, babies, old, handicapped. Speek up always. Dont stop. You must show and see what terror leads to. Dont support hamas. Free gaza from hamas.
Hamas this, Hamas that, Hamas this, Hamas that.
You're just making excuses. This conflict has nothing to do with Hamas. You didn't decide to invade the West Bank and Jerusalem in 1967 because of Hamas. Hamas didn't even fucking exist then. The illegal occupation and land-grab has nothing to do with Hamas. And it has nothing to do with any terrorist attacks against Israel either. You're basically just talking shit because you want to deflect from the real issues. You have no right to be occupying land that doesn't belong to you. And you have no fucking right to be dropping bombs on Gaza and murdering hundreds of civilians. If you genuinely cared about there being a just peace in the region then you wouldn't be spouting shit about Hamas. You'd be calling for an end to the 47 year old illegal occupation. Zionism's aim of racial supremacy in the area began a long time before Hamas was created. About 100 years before Hamas came into existence. So quit using Hamas to try and justify mass murder.
But then, I realize I'm wasting my time here, because you're clearly delusional.
And yes, you can enter gaza, through Egypt.. Oh sorry, Egypt closed her borders too. Why is that?! Dose Egypt hava some hidden porpose to kill the civilianze there from hunger? No. They are protecting the borders from terror dripping into Egypt.
So in your neme work to save gaza from hamas/islamic jihad/ isis. Dont seat there and be greatful and spread links of 'facts'. Those fact are writen by people.. Individuals, with non objective stand, no matter on which side they will be. You want an objective fact? Go to gaza, live it. Then will talk. Untill you do that, i will not accept any attempts to support terror, to support hamas, to support the sufer of the palestinians in gaza. As long as youre here, protecting the inside terror in gaza, youre contributing to the sufer of the palestinians there. I will be here always to remaind you and to remind all the others here, that the terror is the mutual anemy of both sides, israelis and plestinian. People in both sides will die as long as the terror keep his head up. I posted here photos from terror acts towards israeli civilianze over the years.. Im not looking for empathy, im looking for understanding. The future will be as it is in these days, fighting, killing, inocents hurting, children, weman, babies, old, handicapped. Speek up always. Dont stop. You must show and see what terror leads to. Dont support hamas. Free gaza from hamas.
Ok, well the closest thing I've been to Israel is Golan. You know, the land you won't give back to syria. I went to beraqua, went through the UN checkpoint and showed them my ID to prove I'm not a Syrian Arab just go there. And I've been there 3 times before the "Arab spring began. Actually left the day it started. Anyways, I talked to the people who live there in beraqua, they told me how your country is "generous" to the people of syria. I got stories I can share but dnt want to high jack our own thread about gaza and talk about syria. Just know that I've been pretty close to Israel, and have spoke with people living in syria about Israel. And also remember, there's 2 circassian villages in Israel, kofer khaman and reihania, and my people serve in the idf. And I've heard the stories about the 06 Hezbollah war. Talk about a bunch of young soldiers being scared. Hezbollah is no Hamas and they showed the world what it can do against your all mighty idf. You we're prob to young to remember that war. Didn't last long, and a group of freedom fighters put Israel on it's back. With no fucken apaches no fucken f16 no fucken tanks. Just a will to stand up and a desire to fight for their people. When your enemy has had enough, you're gonna see what your enemy is capable of. U want to call it a war, here's an idea. Lots of fucken dessert sand all around. Why dnt you guys drop leaflets telling Hamas to meet u guys in the dessert. Tell them you're willing to put your guns down and meet them on the battle field hand to hand combat. I know, I know, I'm Being silly again "lucky." I mean why would the idf want to put their weapons down and fight fairly against these freedom fighters. And we can finally see how brave your idf are. Why when they know they'll get their fucken heads ripped off. When a people have had enough, the will to live is gone and you've created a freedom fighter. Now that's pay per view if love to watch. That's some made for tv shit there. But I know, I'm just being silly again.....
You know what the problem is for the Zionists are? The Palestinians ARENT afraid to die. And sorry to say it, you guys are. Can't win a fight when one sides NOT afraid to die and has nothing to live for anymore. That's why this will never end.
badbrains, i am a total supporter of Palestine (not Hamas, but I understand that humans behave as animals when caged) but i think calling for Muslim solidarity is counter-productive. I understand your anger that your Muslim brother countries havnt stepped in, but have you considered the fallout if they did? Clearly there is an anti-muslim bent in the western world (america particularly) and i fear that support for israel would increase if the US media were able to spin this as a racial issue, the "brown jihadists" against the "white-ish Jews". It would be all too easy to paint Israel as the victim if the conflict involved another Arab state. What do you think Byrnzie?
The only solution to this terrible issue is total Palestinian pacifism. They would need to Allow themselves to be slaughtered and oppressed without raising a finger, praying for their aggressors the whole way. Of course that is easy for me to say, and it would mean terrible loss of life, but the world would take notice in a whole new way. I dont think i could do it, so i dont think its a real solution, but theoretically it is the only way that I see. As my boy Shelley said, in The Masque of Anarchy "...Look upon them as the slay Till their rage has died away Then they will return with shame To the place from which they came, And the blood thus shed will speak In hot blushes on their cheek. RISE LIKE LIONS AFTER SLUMBER IN UNVANQUISHABLE NUMBER, SHAKE YOUR CHAINS TO EARTH LIKE DEW WHICH IN SLEEP HAD BEFALLEN YOU- YE ARE MANY-- THEY ARE FEW! idealistic and not based in reality, i know, but it is quite an ideal to reach for.
Im telling my side of the story. You can call it a lie. I know what is my daily reality. Im on the israeli side. If there is here a 10c member from gaza, please speek up.
I think it's time for everyone to quit responding to this SivanMerili. Let's not give her the false impression that she's being taking seriously by continuing to reply to her gibberish.
badbrains, i am a total supporter of Palestine (not Hamas, but I understand that humans behave as animals when caged) but i think calling for Muslim solidarity is counter-productive. I understand your anger that your Muslim brother countries havnt stepped in, but have you considered the fallout if they did? Clearly there is an anti-muslim bent in the western world (america particularly) and i fear that support for israel would increase if the US media were able to spin this as a racial issue, the "brown jihadists" against the "white-ish Jews". It would be all too easy to paint Israel as the victim if the conflict involved another Arab state. What do you think Byrnzie?
The only solution to this terrible issue is total Palestinian pacifism. They would need to Allow themselves to be slaughtered and oppressed without raising a finger, praying for their aggressors the whole way. Of course that is easy for me to say, and it would mean terrible loss of life, but the world would take notice in a whole new way. I dont think i could do it, so i dont think its a real solution, but theoretically it is the only way that I see. As my boy Shelley said, in The Masque of Anarchy "...Look upon them as the slay Till their rage has died away Then they will return with shame To the place from which they came, And the blood thus shed will speak In hot blushes on their cheek. RISE LIKE LIONS AFTER SLUMBER IN UNVANQUISHABLE NUMBER, SHAKE YOUR CHAINS TO EARTH LIKE DEW WHICH IN SLEEP HAD BEFALLEN YOU- YE ARE MANY-- THEY ARE FEW! idealistic and not based in reality, i know, but it is quite an ideal to reach for.
You know what rG, I never thought of it like that. Great post. Now you've got me thinking again.
I think it's time for everyone to quit responding to this SivanMerili. Let's not give her the false impression that she's being taking seriously by continuing to reply to her gibberish.
I'm gonna do my best byrnzie! It's fucken tough when someone types lie after lie after lie. Talking like it's kosher no matter what proof you show her, it's never enough.
Images from Gaza should trouble every Israeli Israeli hearts are brimming with concern for Israeli soldiers in Gaza; but they have no compassion for victims on the other side, not even for children who are dying in gruesome numbers. By Gideon Levy | Jul. 24, 2014
'...The website “Walla!” published talkback comments on an article about the four children killed on the Gaza beach. Shani Moyal: “I couldn’t care less that Arab children were killed, too bad it wasn’t more. Well done to the IDF.” Stav Sabah: “Really, these are great pictures. They make me so happy, I want to look at them again and again.” Sharon Avishi: “Only four? Too bad. We hoped for more.” Daniela Turgeman: “Great. We need to kill all the children.” Chaya Hatnovich: “There isn’t a more beautiful picture than those of dead Arab children.” Orna Peretz: “Why only four?” Rachel Cohen: “I’m not for children dying in Gaza. I’m for everyone burning.” Tami Mashan: “As many children as possible should die.”
From their names and accompanying pictures, all the commenters are women. They shop in the stores near your homes, they go to the same movies and vacation spots as you. They’re Israeli. No one would think of firing them from their jobs, like they are doing now to Arabs and left-wingers. No one will condemn them, no one will attack or threaten them. They’re normal, according to the Israeli norms at least, where compassion for the other side is considered treason, and beastly criticism is considered patriotism.'
Calling hamas freedom fighters put you on the side of terror automaticly. Congrats, you finaly said it. You and those who think of hamas as a freedom fighters are supporting their jihad ideology - Israel destruction.
More than 50 former Israeli soldiers have refused to serve in the nation’s reserve force, citing regret over their part in a military they said plays a central role in oppressing Palestinians, the Washington Post reported on Wednesday.
“We found that troops who operate in the occupied territories aren’t the only ones enforcing the mechanisms of control over Palestinian lives. In truth, the entire military is implicated. For that reason, we now refuse to participate in our reserve duties, and we support all those who resist being called to service,” the soldiers wrote in a petition posted online and first reported by the newspaper.
While some Israelis have refused to serve in the Palestinian territories of the West Bank, the military’s structure is such that serving in any capacity forces one to play a role in the conflict, said the soldiers, most of whom are women who would have been exempted from combat.
“Many of us served in logistical and bureaucratic support roles; there, we found that the entire military helps implement the oppression of the Palestinians,” they said.
Their comments come as the conflict in Gaza continues to escalate, displacing thousands more Palestinians in the battered territory even as the United States presses both sides for an immediate ceasefire and longer-term peace plan.
Earlier this month, Israel said it was mobilizing more reservists in anticipation of increased fighting.
In the petition, the soldiers pointed to the army’s structure and fundamental role in Israeli society as reasons for being unable to decouple any form of service from the fighting.
“The military plays a central role in every action plan and proposal discussed in the national conversation, which explains the absence of any real argument about non-military solutions to the conflicts Israel has been locked in with its neighbors,” the soldiers wrote.
“To us, the current military operation and the way militarization affects Israeli society are inseparable.”
They said they opposed the Israeli Army and conscription law because of how women are limited to low-ranking secretarial positions and because of a screening system that discriminates against Jews whose families originate from Arab nations.
Most 18-year-olds must serve up to three years in the Israeli Defense Forces.
Some groups, such as ultra-Orthodox Jewish seminary students, had been exempted from service, but legislators this year moved to lift that exemption on such students starting in 2017.
Document - Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories: Israel/Gaza conflict, July 2014
25 July 2014
What are the different patterns of violations by Israeli forces in the Gaza Strip that Amnesty International has identified since Israel launched Operation “Protective Edge” on 8 June 2014?
Israeli forces have carried out attacks that have killed hundreds of civilians, including through the use of precision weaponry such as drone-fired missiles, and attacks using munitions such as artillery, which cannot be precisely targeted, on very densely populated residential areas, such as Shuja’iyyeh. They have also directly attacked civilian objects. Thousands of homes across the Gaza Strip, several medical facilities, and non-military governmental buildings have been destroyed or badly damaged. Statements by the Israeli military and politicians that they consider the homes of people associated with Hamas, including the homes of political leaders, to be legitimate targets indicate that Israel has adopted targeting rules that do not conform to international humanitarian law, and could be evidence that at least some of the attacks on civilian homes are deliberate policy. Although the Israeli authorities claim to be warning civilians in Gaza, a consistent pattern has emerged that their actions do not constitute an “effective warning” under international humanitarian law. Increasing reports that medics trying to evacuate civilians, workers trying to repair damaged water and sanitation infrastructure, and journalists are coming under fire, killing and injuring some of them, are another very serious concern. Direct attacks on civilians and civilian objects, as well as indiscriminate and disproportionate attacks that are intentional and kill or injure civilians constitute war crimes.
Israeli attacks have caused mass displacement of Palestinian civilians within the Gaza Strip. As of 23 July, the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) reported that over 140,000 internally displaced people were sheltering in schools run by the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), and thousands of others were in Ministry of Education schools or with relatives. The UN has reported that an UNRWA school sheltering displaced people in the al-Maghazi refugee camp in central Gaza was shelled by Israeli forces on at least two occasions, with at least one child injured. Another UN school sheltering displaced families in Beit Hanoun in northern Gaza was struck on 24 July, killing at least 15 civilians and injuring many others, and the UN has called for an immediate investigation.
More than 50 former Israeli soldiers have refused to serve in the nation’s reserve force, citing regret over their part in a military they said plays a central role in oppressing Palestinians, the Washington Post reported on Wednesday.
“We found that troops who operate in the occupied territories aren’t the only ones enforcing the mechanisms of control over Palestinian lives. In truth, the entire military is implicated. For that reason, we now refuse to participate in our reserve duties, and we support all those who resist being called to service,” the soldiers wrote in a petition posted online and first reported by the newspaper.
While some Israelis have refused to serve in the Palestinian territories of the West Bank, the military’s structure is such that serving in any capacity forces one to play a role in the conflict, said the soldiers, most of whom are women who would have been exempted from combat.
“Many of us served in logistical and bureaucratic support roles; there, we found that the entire military helps implement the oppression of the Palestinians,” they said.
Their comments come as the conflict in Gaza continues to escalate, displacing thousands more Palestinians in the battered territory even as the United States presses both sides for an immediate ceasefire and longer-term peace plan.
Earlier this month, Israel said it was mobilizing more reservists in anticipation of increased fighting.
In the petition, the soldiers pointed to the army’s structure and fundamental role in Israeli society as reasons for being unable to decouple any form of service from the fighting.
“The military plays a central role in every action plan and proposal discussed in the national conversation, which explains the absence of any real argument about non-military solutions to the conflicts Israel has been locked in with its neighbors,” the soldiers wrote.
“To us, the current military operation and the way militarization affects Israeli society are inseparable.”
They said they opposed the Israeli Army and conscription law because of how women are limited to low-ranking secretarial positions and because of a screening system that discriminates against Jews whose families originate from Arab nations.
Most 18-year-olds must serve up to three years in the Israeli Defense Forces.
Some groups, such as ultra-Orthodox Jewish seminary students, had been exempted from service, but legislators this year moved to lift that exemption on such students starting in 2017.
Arab-Israelis are exempt from compulsory service.
Now THESE are brave soldiers. These are soldiers Sivan should be proud of.
You know what the problem is for the Zionists are? The Palestinians ARENT afraid to die. And sorry to say it, you guys are. Can't win a fight when one sides NOT afraid to die and has nothing to live for anymore. That's why this will never end.
Horrifying details continue to emerge of massacre in Khuza’a Philip Weiss and Adam Horowitz on July 24, 2014
'...This account is consistent with social media. The most complete comes from Khuza’a resident Mahmoud Ismail who tweeted out updates from the village. They were translated by Mohammad Alsaafin who retweeted them. The updates read:
'Account: My family & I made it out, light injuries. Hundreds of casualties, bodies in the streets. Many of the dead in Khuza’a bled to death bc ambulances unable to reach. From my window I watched a 20 yr old die for hours. One doctor, Kamal Abu Rjeila, treated injuries that came into his clinic even after it was bombed & his father killed. The Israeli army used ten families as human shields. They took over their homes and wouldn’t let them escape.Home I was sheltering in with 50 others was bombed. I don’t know what happened to them but my shoes soaked in their blood. We escaped to our home under the cover of the dust from the bombing. Minutes later, it was hit by 3 artillery shells. We tried to escape on foot to Khuzaa’s exit, but helicopters fired on us. I saw a woman carrying her dead child in one arm and a white flag in the other. She used the white flag to wrap his body. As we walked I saw my uncle and his son, dead on the road next to their house. Snipers were hitting people in the legs. My other cousin died trying to save his bleeding brother in the street. They died on top of each other. There are corpses still lying in the streets, injured people waiting to become corpses, families who still haven’t escaped.'
Will be interesting to see what all of the major human rights organizations come up with after they investigate this massacre.
A bunch of fancy words with nothing getting done because my so called country that fights for people's freedom will veto anything put in front of them. When will America have it's "American spring?" And I believe congress leaves for vacation today for 5 weeks???? Perfect timing Israel. You guys must be in cahoots together. Oh wait, you are....
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Anyway, D- you are very correct.
I believe the latest contract for Patriot missiles and helicopters from Qatar was $11B! Qatar is Hamas biggest supporter.
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I want to thank the people in here who are speaking up and screaming for this to stop. I dnt claim to be a great writer or anything. It's hard for me to put into words what my mind is thinking. Thank god I got people in here like the byrnzie's, the eldarion, the drowned outs, the gimmies and my Jewish friend Ben who have the ability to write great and post mostly things I'm thinking but have a hard time expressing especially with all this ANGER in me. and it's so fucken awesome to see NEW faces in here who are starting to see thru the lies and bullshit. Who are starting themselves to speak up! I applaud you for at least wanting to know what's going on. I'm sure there's a lot who are reading but not posting and that's awesome too. Dnt stop, continue to find the answers. The old people ruining this world, they're gonna be gone soon and it's gonna be up to us to change the world, to change the Ora of our earth. We have to, this can't continue to go on. Not anymore. Not in my name.
Dont seat there and be greatful and spread links of 'facts'.
Those fact are writen by people.. Individuals, with non objective stand, no matter on which side they will be.
You want an objective fact?
Go to gaza, live it.
Then will talk.
Untill you do that, i will not accept any attempts to support terror, to support hamas, to support the sufer of the palestinians in gaza.
As long as youre here, protecting the inside terror in gaza, youre contributing to the sufer of the palestinians there.
I will be here always to remaind you and to remind all the others here, that the terror is the mutual anemy of both sides, israelis and plestinian.
People in both sides will die as long as the terror keep his head up.
I posted here photos from terror acts towards israeli civilianze over the years.. Im not looking for empathy, im looking for understanding.
The future will be as it is in these days, fighting, killing, inocents hurting, children, weman, babies, old, handicapped.
Speek up always.
Dont stop.
You must show and see what terror leads to.
Dont support hamas. Free gaza from hamas.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
You're just making excuses. This conflict has nothing to do with Hamas. You didn't decide to invade the West Bank and Jerusalem in 1967 because of Hamas. Hamas didn't even fucking exist then.
The illegal occupation and land-grab has nothing to do with Hamas. And it has nothing to do with any terrorist attacks against Israel either. You're basically just talking shit because you want to deflect from the real issues.
You have no right to be occupying land that doesn't belong to you. And you have no fucking right to be dropping bombs on Gaza and murdering hundreds of civilians.
If you genuinely cared about there being a just peace in the region then you wouldn't be spouting shit about Hamas. You'd be calling for an end to the 47 year old illegal occupation. Zionism's aim of racial supremacy in the area began a long time before Hamas was created. About 100 years before Hamas came into existence. So quit using Hamas to try and justify mass murder.
But then, I realize I'm wasting my time here, because you're clearly delusional.
Oh sorry, Egypt closed her borders too.
Why is that?!
Dose Egypt hava some hidden porpose to kill the civilianze there from hunger?
No. They are protecting the borders from terror dripping into Egypt.
Being silly again "lucky." I mean why would the idf want to put their weapons down and fight fairly against these freedom fighters. And we can finally see how brave your idf are. Why when they know they'll get their fucken heads ripped off. When a people have had enough, the will to live is gone and you've created a freedom fighter. Now that's pay per view if love to watch. That's some made for tv shit there. But I know, I'm just being silly again.....
The only solution to this terrible issue is total Palestinian pacifism. They would need to Allow themselves to be slaughtered and oppressed without raising a finger, praying for their aggressors the whole way. Of course that is easy for me to say, and it would mean terrible loss of life, but the world would take notice in a whole new way. I dont think i could do it, so i dont think its a real solution, but theoretically it is the only way that I see.
As my boy Shelley said, in The Masque of Anarchy
"...Look upon them as the slay
Till their rage has died away
Then they will return with shame
To the place from which they came,
And the blood thus shed will speak
In hot blushes on their cheek.
RISE LIKE LIONS AFTER SLUMBER
IN UNVANQUISHABLE NUMBER,
SHAKE YOUR CHAINS TO EARTH LIKE DEW
WHICH IN SLEEP HAD BEFALLEN YOU-
YE ARE MANY-- THEY ARE FEW!
idealistic and not based in reality, i know, but it is quite an ideal to reach for.
You can call it a lie.
I know what is my daily reality.
Im on the israeli side.
If there is here a 10c member from gaza, please speek up.
http://www.haaretz.com/.premium-1.606848?v=747F2BB12A33B56FAA93DBF1585507A2
Images from Gaza should trouble every Israeli
Israeli hearts are brimming with concern for Israeli soldiers in Gaza; but they have no compassion for victims on the other side, not even for children who are dying in gruesome numbers.
By Gideon Levy | Jul. 24, 2014
'...The website “Walla!” published talkback comments on an article about the four children killed on the Gaza beach. Shani Moyal: “I couldn’t care less that Arab children were killed, too bad it wasn’t more. Well done to the IDF.” Stav Sabah: “Really, these are great pictures. They make me so happy, I want to look at them again and again.” Sharon Avishi: “Only four? Too bad. We hoped for more.” Daniela Turgeman: “Great. We need to kill all the children.” Chaya Hatnovich: “There isn’t a more beautiful picture than those of dead Arab children.” Orna Peretz: “Why only four?” Rachel Cohen: “I’m not for children dying in Gaza. I’m for everyone burning.” Tami Mashan: “As many children as possible should die.”
From their names and accompanying pictures, all the commenters are women. They shop in the stores near your homes, they go to the same movies and vacation spots as you. They’re Israeli. No one would think of firing them from their jobs, like they are doing now to Arabs and left-wingers. No one will condemn them, no one will attack or threaten them. They’re normal, according to the Israeli norms at least, where compassion for the other side is considered treason, and beastly criticism is considered patriotism.'
Congrats, you finaly said it.
You and those who think of hamas as a freedom fighters are supporting their jihad ideology - Israel destruction.
Bravo.
True face. But finaly.
Bravo.
End of discussion.
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/yorkers-protest-israels.html
In photos: Over 1,000 New Yorkers protest Israel’s attack on Gaza
Alex Kane on July 25, 2014
http://forward.com/articles/202671/-israeli-reservists-refuse-to-serve-in-gaza-war/
50 Israeli Reservists Refuse To Serve in Gaza War
By Reuters
Published July 23, 2014.
More than 50 former Israeli soldiers have refused to serve in the nation’s reserve force, citing regret over their part in a military they said plays a central role in oppressing Palestinians, the Washington Post reported on Wednesday.
“We found that troops who operate in the occupied territories aren’t the only ones enforcing the mechanisms of control over Palestinian lives. In truth, the entire military is implicated. For that reason, we now refuse to participate in our reserve duties, and we support all those who resist being called to service,” the soldiers wrote in a petition posted online and first reported by the newspaper.
While some Israelis have refused to serve in the Palestinian territories of the West Bank, the military’s structure is such that serving in any capacity forces one to play a role in the conflict, said the soldiers, most of whom are women who would have been exempted from combat.
“Many of us served in logistical and bureaucratic support roles; there, we found that the entire military helps implement the oppression of the Palestinians,” they said.
Their comments come as the conflict in Gaza continues to escalate, displacing thousands more Palestinians in the battered territory even as the United States presses both sides for an immediate ceasefire and longer-term peace plan.
Earlier this month, Israel said it was mobilizing more reservists in anticipation of increased fighting.
In the petition, the soldiers pointed to the army’s structure and fundamental role in Israeli society as reasons for being unable to decouple any form of service from the fighting.
“The military plays a central role in every action plan and proposal discussed in the national conversation, which explains the absence of any real argument about non-military solutions to the conflicts Israel has been locked in with its neighbors,” the soldiers wrote.
“To us, the current military operation and the way militarization affects Israeli society are inseparable.”
They said they opposed the Israeli Army and conscription law because of how women are limited to low-ranking secretarial positions and because of a screening system that discriminates against Jews whose families originate from Arab nations.
Most 18-year-olds must serve up to three years in the Israeli Defense Forces.
Some groups, such as ultra-Orthodox Jewish seminary students, had been exempted from service, but legislators this year moved to lift that exemption on such students starting in 2017.
Arab-Israelis are exempt from compulsory service.
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/MDE15/017/2014/en/5b79b682-8d41-4751-9cbc-a0465f6433c3/mde150172014en.html
Document - Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories: Israel/Gaza conflict, July 2014
25 July 2014
What are the different patterns of violations by Israeli forces in the Gaza Strip that Amnesty International has identified since Israel launched Operation “Protective Edge” on 8 June 2014?
Israeli forces have carried out attacks that have killed hundreds of civilians, including through the use of precision weaponry such as drone-fired missiles, and attacks using munitions such as artillery, which cannot be precisely targeted, on very densely populated residential areas, such as Shuja’iyyeh. They have also directly attacked civilian objects. Thousands of homes across the Gaza Strip, several medical facilities, and non-military governmental buildings have been destroyed or badly damaged. Statements by the Israeli military and politicians that they consider the homes of people associated with Hamas, including the homes of political leaders, to be legitimate targets indicate that Israel has adopted targeting rules that do not conform to international humanitarian law, and could be evidence that at least some of the attacks on civilian homes are deliberate policy. Although the Israeli authorities claim to be warning civilians in Gaza, a consistent pattern has emerged that their actions do not constitute an “effective warning” under international humanitarian law. Increasing reports that medics trying to evacuate civilians, workers trying to repair damaged water and sanitation infrastructure, and journalists are coming under fire, killing and injuring some of them, are another very serious concern. Direct attacks on civilians and civilian objects, as well as indiscriminate and disproportionate attacks that are intentional and kill or injure civilians constitute war crimes.
Israeli attacks have caused mass displacement of Palestinian civilians within the Gaza Strip. As of 23 July, the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) reported that over 140,000 internally displaced people were sheltering in schools run by the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), and thousands of others were in Ministry of Education schools or with relatives. The UN has reported that an UNRWA school sheltering displaced people in the al-Maghazi refugee camp in central Gaza was shelled by Israeli forces on at least two occasions, with at least one child injured. Another UN school sheltering displaced families in Beit Hanoun in northern Gaza was struck on 24 July, killing at least 15 civilians and injuring many others, and the UN has called for an immediate investigation.
No.. Anti-Zionists.
Anti zionist = anti israelis.
Youre not supporting gaza.
Youre supporting the exact ideology we fight against.
Thank you for puting things in order.
Will be interesting to see what all of the major human rights organizations come up with after they investigate this massacre.
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/horrifying-continue-massacre.html
Horrifying details continue to emerge of massacre in Khuza’a
Philip Weiss and Adam Horowitz on July 24, 2014
'...This account is consistent with social media. The most complete comes from Khuza’a resident Mahmoud Ismail who tweeted out updates from the village. They were translated by Mohammad Alsaafin who retweeted them. The updates read:
'Account: My family & I made it out, light injuries. Hundreds of casualties, bodies in the streets. Many of the dead in Khuza’a bled to death bc ambulances unable to reach. From my window I watched a 20 yr old die for hours. One doctor, Kamal Abu Rjeila, treated injuries that came into his clinic even after it was bombed & his father killed. The Israeli army used ten families as human shields. They took over their homes and wouldn’t let them escape.Home I was sheltering in with 50 others was bombed. I don’t know what happened to them but my shoes soaked in their blood. We escaped to our home under the cover of the dust from the bombing. Minutes later, it was hit by 3 artillery shells. We tried to escape on foot to Khuzaa’s exit, but helicopters fired on us. I saw a woman carrying her dead child in one arm and a white flag in the other. She used the white flag to wrap his body. As we walked I saw my uncle and his son, dead on the road next to their house. Snipers were hitting people in the legs. My other cousin died trying to save his bleeding brother in the street. They died on top of each other. There are corpses still lying in the streets, injured people waiting to become corpses, families who still haven’t escaped.'