Edit- please make sure to watch the video, u won't have a dry eye. And if u look closely, I believe the 3rd gentleman is wearing the "given to fly" pearl jam shirt.
Mor than 40 tunnels were found. Every tunnel is valued approximetaly 1.3m USD. And thats not all.. Please calculate the total amount..
Wonder what the cost of the goods imported and exported via these tunnels are - after all, for a while were they not the number one source of food and non-lethal (or even POTENTIALLY lethal) supplies? Sivan, it's like you're on a conveyor belt where your government's stories are just in front of you, and your realities are just left and right of the belt, yet you pay no attention. You have hardly offered a single rebuttal to any legitimate discussion, and your points are either outdated or proven otherwise on here. If you want to do your country service, stop using your one mouth, focus on your two ears (which, around here, yours seem to have been used largely decoratively), and learn many perspectives. It's a peace-making tool that's necessary for Israelis and Palestinians alike.
EDIT: One great example, Sivan, is the constant references to the terror brought on here by you (and, to be fair, Palestinian perspectives as well). Byrnzie and badbrains have repeatedly suggested that the terror is not a reality, but rather an affiliated and directly correlated byproduct of an oppression. What I would encourage is a pivot of the discussion to the legitimacy of Israel's presence within the Gaza and West Bank regions, as these are the premises upon which most of the further discussions are based.
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Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
Edit- please make sure to watch the video, u won't have a dry eye. And if u look closely, I believe the 3rd gentleman is wearing the "given to fly" pearl jam shirt.
After watching the video 5 times, it's not a pj shirt but looked like one. My bad lol
Edit- please make sure to watch the video, u won't have a dry eye. And if u look closely, I believe the 3rd gentleman is wearing the "given to fly" pearl jam shirt.
After watching the video 5 times, it's not a pj shirt but looked like one. My bad lol
Ya, I have a Given to Fly t-shirt- the color band goes all the way around. ;-)
Great message there, thanks for posting it! Hugs going out!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Edit- please make sure to watch the video, u won't have a dry eye. And if u look closely, I believe the 3rd gentleman is wearing the "given to fly" pearl jam shirt.
After watching the video 5 times, it's not a pj shirt but looked like one. My bad lol
Ya, I have a Given to Fly t-shirt- the color band goes all the way around. ;-)
Great message there, thanks for posting it! Hugs going out!
Brian, you're absolutely right. Then I thought it was some kind of no code shirt, but again, my blind ass was wrong. Thanks brian for the positive hug comment. I wish I could hug them to!
Mor than 40 tunnels were found. Every tunnel is valued approximetaly 1.3m USD. And thats not all.. Please calculate the total amount..
Wonder what the cost of the goods imported and exported via these tunnels are - after all, for a while were they not the number one source of food and non-lethal (or even POTENTIALLY lethal) supplies? Sivan, it's like you're on a conveyor belt where your government's stories are just in front of you, and your realities are just left and right of the belt, yet you pay no attention. You have hardly offered a single rebuttal to any legitimate discussion, and your points are either outdated or proven otherwise on here. If you want to do your country service, stop using your one mouth, focus on your two ears (which, around here, yours seem to have been used largely decoratively), and learn many perspectives. It's a peace-making tool that's necessary for Israelis and Palestinians alike.
EDIT: One great example, Sivan, is the constant references to the terror brought on here by you (and, to be fair, Palestinian perspectives as well). Byrnzie and badbrains have repeatedly suggested that the terror is not a reality, but rather an affiliated and directly correlated byproduct of an oppression. What I would encourage is a pivot of the discussion to the legitimacy of Israel's presence within the Gaza and West Bank regions, as these are the premises upon which most of the further discussions are based.
The tunnels are an essential lifeline supplying approx 65% of Gaza's needs. Without Israel's illegal blockade they wouldn't be necessary.
Ben, i never denied, not for once the suffer of the palestinians in Gaza. You can read my comments and check it for your self. The prespective is differente. I see it like this: the gazan authority has the responssibilty to take care their civilianze and not puting them in the front line. Front line is: Tunnel pits in civilianze houses used for terror actions. Missiles hidden in schools and other public centers Missiles fired from populated ereas And more.
They are (the people) not the one to blame, i know they are scared as hell from the terrorist regime their. Its a hell on earth to live under fear constantly from inside. You cant say how you realy feel. You cant do what you really want. Its fucked up.
They live in a prison made by hamas. Egypt in these days denys hamas, which makes the lives of the palestinians more hell then ever.
But, unfortunately the terrorist are there and no one wants them there. Even not the palestinians. The tunnels are used for transfer goods but at the same time to transfer terror means. So, what you think a country threatend by this must do? Realy, should they accept this reality? Up to 20 alarms or more a day. Depends on which city you live in. Tens of missiles, rockets fired to populated ereas in israel. Tunnels who leads to communities in Israeli borders. Which goods they have to transfer under the israeli border?
They should put the suffer of the palestinian people and show it, but not on the expence of israeli civilianze, not by denying the suffer of the israeli civilianze.
I live in a southern city in Israel, Ashdod. Ashdod joind the front line 6-7 years ago. Ashqelon, more southern city joind 8-9 years ago. Sderot and the communities around are living this hell for 11 years! Who has an 11 years old child here? Imagen your child growing under alarms and explossions 'sound track'. Not PJ sound track. Alarms and explossions. Constantly over 11 years. This kids have luck to br born in a country that protects them.
Our only fault is having an iron-dome. Some times i think that some here would be happy to see higher numbers of dead civilianze on the israeli side. Its sounds some times like 'man, its so not fare that the palestinianse have 10000000 dead and the israelis just 4..' Dose it make any sence to you?
This will never end. The blood cycle will never end as long as terror in gaza will keep there. I will not allow this slander. You want me to respect any of you? Respect me back as a israeli civilian. Show a balanced picture. Tell the story as it is. Israelis under attack - gazan under attack. I will keep showing my truth as i live it here if no balanced picture will be shown. They should keep doing what they are doing, i'll keep doing mine. They want to call it lies. Be my guest. I wont do the same. I'll just post my reality. Here.
Ben, i never denied, not for once the suffer of the palestinians in Gaza. You can read my comments and check it for your self. The prespective is differente. I see it like this: the gazan authority has the responssibilty to take care their civilianze and not puting them in the front line. Front line is: Tunnel pits in civilianze houses used for terror actions. Missiles hidden in schools and other public centers Missiles fired from populated ereas And more.
They are (the people) not the one to blame, i know they are scared as hell from the terrorist regime their. Its a hell on earth to live under fear constantly from inside. You cant say how you realy feel. You cant do what you really want. Its fucked up.
They live in a prison made by hamas. Egypt in these days denys hamas, which makes the lives of the palestinians more hell then ever.
But, unfortunately the terrorist are there and no one wants them there. Even not the palestinians. The tunnels are used for transfer goods but at the same time to transfer terror means. So, what you think a country threatend by this must do? Realy, should they accept this reality? Up to 20 alarms or more a day. Depends on which city you live in. Tens of missiles, rockets fired to populated ereas in israel. Tunnels who leads to communities in Israeli borders. Which goods they have to transfer under the israeli border?
They should put the suffer of the palestinian people and show it, but not on the expence of israeli civilianze, not by denying the suffer of the israeli civilianze.
I live in a northern city in Israel, Ashdod. Ashdod joind the front line 6-7 years ago. Ashqelon, more northern city joind 8-9 years ago. Sderot and the communities around are living this hell for 11 years! Who has an 11 years old child here? Imagen your child growing under alarms and explossions 'sound track'. Not PJ sound track. Alarms and explossions. Constantly over 11 years. This kids have luck to br born in a country that protects them.
Our only fault is having an iron-dome. Some times i think that some here would be happy to see higher numbers of dead civilianze on the israeli side. Its sounds some times like 'man, its so not fare that the palestinianse have 10000000 dead and the israelis just 4..' Dose it make any sence to you?
This will never end. The blood cycle will never end as long as terror in gaza will keep there. I will not allow this slander. You want me to respect any of you? Respect me back as a israeli civilian. Show a balanced picture. Tell the story as it is. Israelis under attack - gazan under attack. I will keep showing my truth as i live it here if no balanced picture will be shown. They should keep doing what they are doing, i'll keep doing mine. They want to call it lies. Be my guest. I wont do the same. I'll just post my reality. Here.
Sorry for the english.
See, more fucken lies from you. Why don't you just go back to FB and post there. The Palestinians live in a prison because of your fucken country not Hamas! Plz stop already, you have no idea how bad you're making it for "your" cause.
Edit- maybe if there are more dead Israeli citizens your manic leaders would stop. But who the fuck are we kidding, you guys would go and wipe all of Palestine off the map.
See, more fucken lies from you. Why don't you just go back to FB and post there. The Palestinians live in a prison because of your fucken country not Hamas! Plz stop already, you have no idea how bad you're making it for "your" cause.
Edit- maybe if there are more dead Israeli citizens your manic leaders would stop. But who the fuck are we kidding, you guys would go and wipe all of Palestine off the map.
Dude, what good do you think it's gonna do to debate this fool? You're just encouraging her.
WTF! WTF! WTF! I thought there's a ceasefire? Unless these pics are from them finally being allowed to go there and start collecting the bodies. You should be happy with yourself Israel. Proud to share this world with people who kill innocent women and children. Awesome job IDF
Recognize someones suffer dose not denying athoerones suffer.
Youre denying my daily suffer. And it hurts. It hurts specialy when it comes from a fellow 10c member. Its stupid, i dont even know why it hurts me so much when it comes from you guys. But it really is. Maybe im stupid to consider you still as my jamily. Maybe i should stop feeling this way and put all my love for this community aside. I dont know.
Recognize in someones suffer dose not denying athoerones suffer.
Youre denying my daily suffer. And it hurts. It hurts specialy when it comes drom a fellow 10c member. Its stupid, i dont even know why it hurts me souch when it comes from you guys. But it really is. Maybe im stupid to consider you still as my jamily. Maybe i should stop feeling this way and put all my love for this communitie aside. I dont know.
You know who your family is? It's the people on the other side of the wall your country is bombing. Those are your family, you know, the "HUMAN" family we ALL belong to.
Recognize in someones suffer dose not denying athoerones suffer.
Youre denying my daily suffer. And it hurts. It hurts specialy when it comes drom a fellow 10c member. Its stupid, i dont even know why it hurts me souch when it comes from you guys. But it really is. Maybe im stupid to consider you still as my jamily. Maybe i should stop feeling this way and put all my love for this communitie aside. I dont know.
You know who your family is? It's the people on the other side of the wall your country is bombing. Those are your family, you know, the "HUMAN" family we ALL belong to.
Hey god, if you truly exist, well, i think it's time for you to show. This shits getting out of hand and no one seems to want to stop it. A little Devine intervention please. Would go a long way to prove that you REALLY DO EXIST. So please, take some time off from whatever it's is you're doing and let's put an end to the slaughtering of children and women ALL OVER THE WORLD but ESPECIALLY in that open prison at "your" holy sites. I'm sure you know where it is........ Now I'm starting to beg GOD to get involved, holyshit something's def wrong with me....
Where the fuck do you want the citizens of gaza to go when you're destroying EVERYTHING & EVERYONE in site! Jesus fucken Christ, Iraq didn't even look like that from us. Ya, it's not genocide that's for sure. You showed be embarrassed of yourself Israel for doing this. Ya, Palestinians are gonna want peace with you after this is all done. But I'm sure you already knew that and calculated that before you guys went in. Unreal
Sivanmeril, i cant tell if youre trolling or really serious...Gaza didnt build a wall around itself and cut off its own water supply and nor does it treat its citizens as prisoners, tortured abducted and killed randomly....israel did that...IDF does that
serious question for SIVAN. If the people of Palestine rose up and ousted Hamas, and a year or so passes without a single indication of "terrorism" from any Palestinian site or group, what then? Your sirens havent blared, no explosions in Israeli cities, the tunnels are destroyed, and everyone stands in the street with flowers in their hair. Does Israel end the blockade? Tear down the walls? Return to the 1967 borders? Create a 2 state solution? Do you really think that would happen? Do you truly beleive this is all about terrorism, when the issue predates the rise of terrorism in the region?
serious question for SIVAN. If the people of Palestine rose up and ousted Hamas, and a year or so passes without a single indication of "terrorism" from any Palestinian site or group, what then? Your sirens havent blared, no explosions in Israeli cities, the tunnels are destroyed, and everyone stands in the street with flowers in their hair. Does Israel end the blockade? Tear down the walls? Return to the 1967 borders? Create a 2 state solution? Do you really think that would happen? Do you truly beleive this is all about terrorism, when the issue predates the rise of terrorism in the region?
This is the knife point of the military industrial complex, sell missle systems and weaponry to one side, sell the upgrade of that system to the other side, and on and on in an endless circle..war is good for business..
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http://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/features/2014/07/26/-Hug-A-Terrorist-The-Palestinian-Syrian-girls-who-want-some-affection.html
Edit- please make sure to watch the video, u won't have a dry eye. And if u look closely, I believe the 3rd gentleman is wearing the "given to fly" pearl jam shirt.
EDIT: One great example, Sivan, is the constant references to the terror brought on here by you (and, to be fair, Palestinian perspectives as well). Byrnzie and badbrains have repeatedly suggested that the terror is not a reality, but rather an affiliated and directly correlated byproduct of an oppression. What I would encourage is a pivot of the discussion to the legitimacy of Israel's presence within the Gaza and West Bank regions, as these are the premises upon which most of the further discussions are based.
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
Great message there, thanks for posting it! Hugs going out!
The prespective is differente. I see it like this:
the gazan authority has the responssibilty to take care their civilianze and not puting them in the front line.
Front line is:
Tunnel pits in civilianze houses used for terror actions.
Missiles hidden in schools and other public centers
Missiles fired from populated ereas
And more.
They are (the people) not the one to blame, i know they are scared as hell from the terrorist regime their.
Its a hell on earth to live under fear constantly from inside.
You cant say how you realy feel.
You cant do what you really want.
Its fucked up.
They live in a prison made by hamas.
Egypt in these days denys hamas, which makes the lives of the palestinians more hell then ever.
But, unfortunately the terrorist are there and no one wants them there. Even not the palestinians.
The tunnels are used for transfer goods but at the same time to transfer terror means.
So, what you think a country threatend by this must do?
Realy, should they accept this reality?
Up to 20 alarms or more a day. Depends on which city you live in.
Tens of missiles, rockets fired to populated ereas in israel.
Tunnels who leads to communities in Israeli borders. Which goods they have to transfer under the israeli border?
They should put the suffer of the palestinian people and show it, but not on the expence of israeli civilianze, not by denying the suffer of the israeli civilianze.
I live in a southern city in Israel, Ashdod.
Ashdod joind the front line 6-7 years ago.
Ashqelon, more southern city joind 8-9 years ago.
Sderot and the communities around are living this hell for 11 years!
Who has an 11 years old child here?
Imagen your child growing under alarms and explossions 'sound track'.
Not PJ sound track. Alarms and explossions. Constantly over 11 years.
This kids have luck to br born in a country that protects them.
Our only fault is having an iron-dome.
Some times i think that some here would be happy to see higher numbers of dead civilianze on the israeli side.
Its sounds some times like 'man, its so not fare that the palestinianse have 10000000 dead and the israelis just 4..'
Dose it make any sence to you?
This will never end. The blood cycle will never end as long as terror in gaza will keep there.
I will not allow this slander.
You want me to respect any of you?
Respect me back as a israeli civilian.
Show a balanced picture.
Tell the story as it is.
Israelis under attack - gazan under attack.
I will keep showing my truth as i live it here if no balanced picture will be shown.
They should keep doing what they are doing, i'll keep doing mine.
They want to call it lies. Be my guest.
I wont do the same.
I'll just post my reality. Here.
Sorry for the english.
Edit- maybe if there are more dead Israeli citizens your manic leaders would stop. But who the fuck are we kidding, you guys would go and wipe all of Palestine off the map.
Egyptian and israeli.
Why?
Ignore her and she'll go away.
Youre denying my daily suffer. And it hurts. It hurts specialy when it comes from a fellow 10c member.
Its stupid, i dont even know why it hurts me so much when it comes from you guys.
But it really is.
Maybe im stupid to consider you still as my jamily.
Maybe i should stop feeling this way and put all my love for this community aside.
I dont know.
Thanks eldarion for the pic
Thanks for these humane words.
Edit-
Eddie will be proud of it.
International leaders call for 12-hour ceasefire to be extended
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/palestinian-death-toll-rises-to-more-than-1000-1.1879501
3000 people marching to the israeli embassy in dublin right now
If the people of Palestine rose up and ousted Hamas, and a year or so passes without a single indication of "terrorism" from any Palestinian site or group, what then? Your sirens havent blared, no explosions in Israeli cities, the tunnels are destroyed, and everyone stands in the street with flowers in their hair. Does Israel end the blockade? Tear down the walls? Return to the 1967 borders? Create a 2 state solution? Do you really think that would happen? Do you truly beleive this is all about terrorism, when the issue predates the rise of terrorism in the region?