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Byrnzie

gimmesometruth27

badbrains said:

And now Jews are starting to speak out AGAINST Israel in New York protest.

http://m.forward.com/articles/202796/jews-join-new-york-rally-against-israel-war-in-gaz/?

wow..

Byrnzie

i_lov_it said:

Exactly...Who's going to concede when Both Sides think they're Right...that's why there's so Much War and Conflict all Sides think there Right the other is Wrong that's it...Not to mention War is Money as well.

gimmesometruth27

i was speaking with a friend of mine and she cited a poll that was released today. it broke down american support for israel based on age groups and race. i don't have the link yet but she is going to email it to me sometime tomorrow so i will post it then.

this is from my memory of a conversation from 3 hours ago so forgive me if it is not exactly 100% accurate. from what she said,

it found that white americans over age 59 overwhelmingly supported israel.

white americans under age 40 dramatically supported the palestinians.

so from this, it appears to be a generational thing, which is good for israel right now since the people in that older age group are the ones in power here. in another 15 or 20 years that demographic will be dramatically different, which will favor the palestinians. only problem is, if things keep going this way, the palestinians will have been wiped off of their land by then.

the world can't wait.

badbrains

gimmesometruth27 said:

rr165892 said:

Byrnzie,You sir are 100% correct.I need to stop.This thread is no longer a discussion.it's turned into propaganda filled,Pro Palestinian,Pro terrorist,biased, hate fest ,circle jerk.

The anti American talk makes me absolutely sick and those who are American and on here bashing your own country WAKE THE FUCK UP you should be ASHAMED .The freedoms your enjoying right now are protected and secured by people who give their lives every day fighting against these very same Jihadi terror groups scumbags your cheering on and supporting.Mind blowing.

Byrnzie, Make no mistake about it ,I live in the south,I Absolutely don't worry one bit about "Muslims and Jihadi terrorists climbing down my chimney to Murder my wife and children"But I do appreciate you looking out for us.

Enjoy.

see, this is what happens when americans come into these threads, talk out of their butts, get called out on it with facts, and get embarrassed. they can't debate the facts. NOBODY supporting israel can debate or deny the facts. they can't try to justify what is going on, otherwise they appear to be pro war and pro ethnic cleansing, and as a result they get angry and leave instead of trying to learn something. it is as if they are offended that "the best country in the world" has the shittiest, slanted-in-favor-of-israel, media. they need to admit that they are ignorant of the situation, ignorant of the history, ignorant of the root cause of this conflict, rather than come in here and try to pass off some bullshit as fact. don't be embarrassed, probably 65% of all americans who blindly support israel know nothing of the history of the region. all they know is "i am an american christian, and we support israel because we need israel to be there so jesus can come back." we are basing foreign policy on biblical shit, and it is completely irresponsible and reprehensible.

presenting facts does not equal propaganda. the rest of the world opposes israel and it opposes the united states' support of israel. are all of those countries wrong??? or would it be logical to look in the mirror and possibly conclude that "maybe, just maybe, the americans might be on the wrong side of this thing." our hubris does not allow for such self examination and self criticism unfortunately.

yes i am an american. i am a patriot. i love my country, and i expect it to be what it claims to be. a beacon for humanity, peace, justice, righteousness. there is a lot to love about this country, but there is a lot more to criticize. our support of israel is inexcusable. how can we claim to love peace and freedom and allow palestinians to live in an open air prison on what little land they have left? i expect better of my country. a lot better. and i will bash this country when i see that it deserves to be bashed. you should do the same. i am ashamed of my country's policy on this conflict. if you were paying any sort of attention, and if you had any sort of compassion in your heart, you would be ashamed too. do not, ever, fucking question my patriotism.

All I have to say is =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

Byrnzie

825 dead, and counting: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/gaza-counter/?clsrd

benjs

Byrnzie said:

i_lov_it said:

Exactly...Who's going to concede when Both Sides think they're Right...that's why there's so Much War and Conflict all Sides think there Right the other is Wrong that's it...Not to mention War is Money as well.

That's just a cop-out, and does nothing except empower the oppressor. This is not a two-sided conflict. It's one of the Worlds largest military machines oppressing and terrorizing a largely defenseless people, despite what CNN, or Fox tell you.

Byrnzie, this absolutely is a two-sided conflict, no matter how one-sided the power distribution is. You have two perspectives, that's all it takes. Call it oppressor & oppressed, if you'd like. I wasn't talking about any power distribution anyways, more just the fact that there are two radically different viewpoints on atrocities throughout history, separated by a border.

SivanMerili

Idris said:

SivanMerili said:

No. I find it as a legitimate act of defence.
The greatest defence is attack.
Thats what WE are doing. Attacking those who terrorize us with missiles from Gaza and death tunnels leads into israeli communities close to the border with gaza.

The only thing that is painful for me is seeing the deep sorrow on the faces of the familys that lost their beloved ones on the both sides.
In turns me from inside. Allmost 20 days of tears and pain.
But we must be strong to end this horror once and for all.

No. I find it as a legitimate act of defence.
-

killing children is not a legitimate act/s of Defense.

So turn it to the Hamas who trys launching us the civilians in Israel, weman and babys, old people, handicapped.
Why is it ok that our children, our weman will be underfire consistently
For the last 11 Years! 11Years!
Is it ok. Dose that makes you feel ok as long as no one in Gaza is geting hurt?
Really?
Then.. Dont expect from me to see some others sorrow while mine is irrelevant for you.

badbrains

SivanMerili said:

Idris said:

SivanMerili said:

No. I find it as a legitimate act of defence.
The greatest defence is attack.
Thats what WE are doing. Attacking those who terrorize us with missiles from Gaza and death tunnels leads into israeli communities close to the border with gaza.

The only thing that is painful for me is seeing the deep sorrow on the faces of the familys that lost their beloved ones on the both sides.
In turns me from inside. Allmost 20 days of tears and pain.
But we must be strong to end this horror once and for all.

No. I find it as a legitimate act of defence.
-

killing children is not a legitimate act/s of Defense.

So turn it to the Hamas who trys launching us the civilians in Israel, weman and babys, old people, handicapped.
Why is it ok that our children, our weman will be underfire consistently
For the last 11 Years! 11Years!
Is it ok. Dose that makes you feel ok as long as no one in Gaza is geting hurt?
Really?
Then.. Dont expect from me to see some others sorrow while mine is irrelevant for you.

Well, now u got the West Bank rising. And with the overwhelmingly people (not governments) supporting the Palestinians, you're gonna feel your borders closing tighter. I posted a link that said there are 100,000's of Jews In NYC and America who DO NOT SUPPORT this MASSACRE. I believe they actually had a protest in New York with 1000's and 1000's of protesters, humans who actually have a heart. And I would've be proud to stand with them that day. Yup, a fucken Muslim standing right next to a Jew in solidarity. It can be done and MUST BE DONE. No excuses, stop the fucking bloodshed. Stop the fucking killing, stop creating pictures of fathers burying their 3 year olds with half a brain missing. Enough already. We are so far from love that I dnt think we'll ever have it. Unreachable. Not when one side keeps creating freedom fighters on a daily basis.

Edit-make that an hourly basis

SivanMerili

benjs said:

SivanMerili said:

No. I find it as a legitimate act of defence.
The greatest defence is attack.
Thats what WE are doing. Attacking those who terrorize us with missiles from Gaza and death tunnels leads into israeli communities close to the border with gaza.

The only thing that is painful for me is seeing the deep sorrow on the faces of the familys that lost their beloved ones on the both sides.
In turns me from inside. Allmost 20 days of tears and pain.
But we must be strong to end this horror once and for all.

I have two problems with this message, Sivan.

First: "The greatest defence is attack". This is an abhorrent (or, in simpler English terms, disgusting or sick) concept which I've already stated my opinion on: great logic for team sports, less so when you have LIVES to consider.

Second: "end this horror once and for all". I fail to see how this ground invasion leads to any end except for the eventual conclusion that Israel eradicates the entirety of the Palestinian population. With such an intelligent military, it's actually a bit insulting as a member of the public to think that the Israeli government expects me to believe that their tactics can lead to any OTHER end (ie. if you think Hamas leaders in wartime are living in civilian homes in Gaza, ready to have rockets dropped on them or militaries swarm them, think again). In fact, I'd go as far as rephrasing your statement to read that the horror is that there's only one end to this if things continue, and it resides in massive pools of blood.

When someone will consider my life, i will consider his.
As long as you guys here are ignoring us the civilianze in Israel, who are systemticly under fire for the last 11 years!
Donr expect fome me to feel sorry that we are fighting our battke againt a ruthless Jihad ideology.
Im not here to apologize sbout anything.
Im damd proud of our country, our people, por IDF.
This is us, united against the terror.
Nothing will stop us.
At the day missiles will stoped firing into israel, tunnels of terror will be destroied, and the terrors foundation in gaza will be vanished, and be free to live my life peacefuly, ill be open to discusse it with you.

badbrains

SivanMerili said:

benjs said:

SivanMerili said:

No. I find it as a legitimate act of defence.
The greatest defence is attack.
Thats what WE are doing. Attacking those who terrorize us with missiles from Gaza and death tunnels leads into israeli communities close to the border with gaza.

The only thing that is painful for me is seeing the deep sorrow on the faces of the familys that lost their beloved ones on the both sides.
In turns me from inside. Allmost 20 days of tears and pain.
But we must be strong to end this horror once and for all.

I have two problems with this message, Sivan.

First: "The greatest defence is attack". This is an abhorrent (or, in simpler English terms, disgusting or sick) concept which I've already stated my opinion on: great logic for team sports, less so when you have LIVES to consider.

Second: "end this horror once and for all". I fail to see how this ground invasion leads to any end except for the eventual conclusion that Israel eradicates the entirety of the Palestinian population. With such an intelligent military, it's actually a bit insulting as a member of the public to think that the Israeli government expects me to believe that their tactics can lead to any OTHER end (ie. if you think Hamas leaders in wartime are living in civilian homes in Gaza, ready to have rockets dropped on them or militaries swarm them, think again). In fact, I'd go as far as rephrasing your statement to read that the horror is that there's only one end to this if things continue, and it resides in massive pools of blood.

When someone will consider my life, i will consider his.
As long as you guys here are ignoring us the civilianze in Israel, who are systemticly under fire for the last 11 years!
Donr expect fome me to feel sorry that we are fighting our battke againt a ruthless Jihad ideology.
Im not here to apologize sbout anything.
Im damd proud of our country, our people, por IDF.
This is us, united against the terror.
Nothing will stop us.
At the day missiles will stoped firing into israel, tunnels of terror will be destroied, and the terrors foundation in gaza will be vanished, and be free to live my life peacefuly, ill be open to discusse it with you.

Says the person who left Israel freely to see pearl jam last month.

SivanMerili

Last-12-Exit said:

Is it just me, or does anyone else think Sivan character is nothing more than a troll that saw this thread and decided to just stir shit up?? No more than 30 posts until yesterday?

I'm can't believe a word this guy is saying when he says "great video from the war field." Plus asking where the best place to be to post garbage. I'm not going to go as far as saying he's jot from Israel, I have no idea, but something seems off. I'm not buying it. I'm calling shenanigans.

No hun.. Sivan is mot a troll.
Sivan is a damn proud israeli civilian who had enough with this bulls, when Sivan is being UNDER FIRE FOR THE LAST 11 years.
Its my second year as a 10c member.
If youre seeing me here just now is only because im not allowing you or anybody here to call me murderer while im under attack.
Im part of the vivilian defence forces in IsraeI.
I back up our beloved IDF 200%.
And hope they will not stop till the vanish Hamas terror occupation in Gaza.

Hope i helped you to understand who i am.

Idris

SivanMerili said:

Idris said:

SivanMerili said:

No. I find it as a legitimate act of defence.
The greatest defence is attack.
Thats what WE are doing. Attacking those who terrorize us with missiles from Gaza and death tunnels leads into israeli communities close to the border with gaza.

The only thing that is painful for me is seeing the deep sorrow on the faces of the familys that lost their beloved ones on the both sides.
In turns me from inside. Allmost 20 days of tears and pain.
But we must be strong to end this horror once and for all.

No. I find it as a legitimate act of defence.
-

killing children is not a legitimate act/s of Defense.

So turn it to the Hamas who trys launching us the civilians in Israel, weman and babys, old people, handicapped.
Why is it ok that our children, our weman will be underfire consistently
For the last 11 Years! 11Years!
Is it ok. Dose that makes you feel ok as long as no one in Gaza is geting hurt?
Really?
Then.. Dont expect from me to see some others sorrow while mine is irrelevant for you.

Stop taking land, and perhaps the Hamas rockets will stop. Return the land that was taken ('67 borders)and maybe you will have some peace.

Surely those are some of the necessary steps that Israel must take if they are serious about 'peace'...and by 'peace' I mean a 'just' peace.
-
Not sure how some of these threads end up going on for pages and pages,

Its really not some great complicated matter.

badbrains

SivanMerili said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Is it just me, or does anyone else think Sivan character is nothing more than a troll that saw this thread and decided to just stir shit up?? No more than 30 posts until yesterday?

I'm can't believe a word this guy is saying when he says "great video from the war field." Plus asking where the best place to be to post garbage. I'm not going to go as far as saying he's jot from Israel, I have no idea, but something seems off. I'm not buying it. I'm calling shenanigans.

No hun.. Sivan is mot a troll.
Sivan is a damn proud israeli civilian who had enough with this bulls, when Sivan is being UNDER FIRE FOR THE LAST 11 years.
Its my second year as a 10c member.
If youre seeing me here just now is only because im not allowing you or anybody here to call me murderer while im under attack.
Im part of the vivilian defence forces in IsraeI.
I back up our beloved IDF 200%.
And hope they will not stop till the vanish Hamas terror occupation in Gaza.

Hope i helped you to understand who i am.

Yup, loud and clear. Roger that. Oh and question. When you left your house to see pearl jam in Europe , how long did it take you to get to the airport? Must of taken you a long time dodging missiles and looking out for tunnels with boogeymen waiting to jump out at you. That's a crazy risk, you must really love pearl jam.

SivanMerili

badbrains said:

SivanMerili said:

benjs said:

SivanMerili said:

No. I find it as a legitimate act of defence.
The greatest defence is attack.
Thats what WE are doing. Attacking those who terrorize us with missiles from Gaza and death tunnels leads into israeli communities close to the border with gaza.

The only thing that is painful for me is seeing the deep sorrow on the faces of the familys that lost their beloved ones on the both sides.
In turns me from inside. Allmost 20 days of tears and pain.
But we must be strong to end this horror once and for all.

I have two problems with this message, Sivan.

First: "The greatest defence is attack". This is an abhorrent (or, in simpler English terms, disgusting or sick) concept which I've already stated my opinion on: great logic for team sports, less so when you have LIVES to consider.

Second: "end this horror once and for all". I fail to see how this ground invasion leads to any end except for the eventual conclusion that Israel eradicates the entirety of the Palestinian population. With such an intelligent military, it's actually a bit insulting as a member of the public to think that the Israeli government expects me to believe that their tactics can lead to any OTHER end (ie. if you think Hamas leaders in wartime are living in civilian homes in Gaza, ready to have rockets dropped on them or militaries swarm them, think again). In fact, I'd go as far as rephrasing your statement to read that the horror is that there's only one end to this if things continue, and it resides in massive pools of blood.

When someone will consider my life, i will consider his.
As long as you guys here are ignoring us the civilianze in Israel, who are systemticly under fire for the last 11 years!
Donr expect fome me to feel sorry that we are fighting our battke againt a ruthless Jihad ideology.
Im not here to apologize sbout anything.
Im damd proud of our country, our people, por IDF.
This is us, united against the terror.
Nothing will stop us.
At the day missiles will stoped firing into israel, tunnels of terror will be destroied, and the terrors foundation in gaza will be vanished, and be free to live my life peacefuly, ill be open to discusse it with you.

Says the person who left Israel freely to see pearl jam last month.

And will not stop seeing them.
Hamas will never stop me from seeing PJ.
I will run to find shellter, i will lay down on the ground in the open air, i will escape from my car when hearing the alarm, i will be afarid as hell and praying the missile wont hit me or my beloved ones, and i still fly to a PJ gig.
Ist crazy?
Maybe.
But that is my reality. Not yours.
And i dont blame you for that. You dont live here.

badbrains

SivanMerili said:

badbrains said:

SivanMerili said:

benjs said:

SivanMerili said:

No. I find it as a legitimate act of defence.
The greatest defence is attack.
Thats what WE are doing. Attacking those who terrorize us with missiles from Gaza and death tunnels leads into israeli communities close to the border with gaza.

The only thing that is painful for me is seeing the deep sorrow on the faces of the familys that lost their beloved ones on the both sides.
In turns me from inside. Allmost 20 days of tears and pain.
But we must be strong to end this horror once and for all.

I have two problems with this message, Sivan.

First: "The greatest defence is attack". This is an abhorrent (or, in simpler English terms, disgusting or sick) concept which I've already stated my opinion on: great logic for team sports, less so when you have LIVES to consider.

Second: "end this horror once and for all". I fail to see how this ground invasion leads to any end except for the eventual conclusion that Israel eradicates the entirety of the Palestinian population. With such an intelligent military, it's actually a bit insulting as a member of the public to think that the Israeli government expects me to believe that their tactics can lead to any OTHER end (ie. if you think Hamas leaders in wartime are living in civilian homes in Gaza, ready to have rockets dropped on them or militaries swarm them, think again). In fact, I'd go as far as rephrasing your statement to read that the horror is that there's only one end to this if things continue, and it resides in massive pools of blood.

When someone will consider my life, i will consider his.
As long as you guys here are ignoring us the civilianze in Israel, who are systemticly under fire for the last 11 years!
Donr expect fome me to feel sorry that we are fighting our battke againt a ruthless Jihad ideology.
Im not here to apologize sbout anything.
Im damd proud of our country, our people, por IDF.
This is us, united against the terror.
Nothing will stop us.
At the day missiles will stoped firing into israel, tunnels of terror will be destroied, and the terrors foundation in gaza will be vanished, and be free to live my life peacefuly, ill be open to discusse it with you.

Says the person who left Israel freely to see pearl jam last month.

And will not stop seeing them.
Hamas will never stop me from seeing PJ.
I will run to find shellter, i will lay down on the ground in the open air, i will escape from my car when hearing the alarm, i will be afarid as hell and praying the missile wont hit me or my beloved ones, and i still fly to a PJ gig.
Ist crazy?
Maybe.
But that is my reality. Not yours.
And i dont blame you for that. You dont live here.

Hamas mite never stop you from GOING to see pearl jam BUT YOUR GOVERNMENT is STOPPING you from seeing pearl jam IN ISRAEL. Ironic, no?

SivanMerili

Our fault maybe, as a Israeli civilian that this reality became a 'normal' life for us.
Living between alarms and missiles attack.
As im thinking on this, i realize how crazy it is.
Berlin was my sane shelter for two days.
Knew wonderful people there.
And im so happy that i did it any way.
If you think my family were ok with that, you are wrong.
They are not ok even when i decide to go to work every day.
But im an adulte and i decide for my self, and will never stop my routine cause of a bunch of terrorists.

Byrnzie

Idris said:

Stop taking land, and perhaps the Hamas rockets will stop. Return the land that was taken ('67 borders)and maybe you will have some peace.

Surely those are some of the necessary steps that Israel must take if they are serious about 'peace'...and by 'peace' I mean a 'just' peace.
-
Not sure how some of these threads end up going on for pages and pages,

Its really not some great complicated matter.

Exactly.

SivanMerili

badbrains said:

SivanMerili said:

badbrains said:

SivanMerili said:

benjs said:

SivanMerili said:

No. I find it as a legitimate act of defence.
The greatest defence is attack.
Thats what WE are doing. Attacking those who terrorize us with missiles from Gaza and death tunnels leads into israeli communities close to the border with gaza.

The only thing that is painful for me is seeing the deep sorrow on the faces of the familys that lost their beloved ones on the both sides.
In turns me from inside. Allmost 20 days of tears and pain.
But we must be strong to end this horror once and for all.

I have two problems with this message, Sivan.

First: "The greatest defence is attack". This is an abhorrent (or, in simpler English terms, disgusting or sick) concept which I've already stated my opinion on: great logic for team sports, less so when you have LIVES to consider.

Second: "end this horror once and for all". I fail to see how this ground invasion leads to any end except for the eventual conclusion that Israel eradicates the entirety of the Palestinian population. With such an intelligent military, it's actually a bit insulting as a member of the public to think that the Israeli government expects me to believe that their tactics can lead to any OTHER end (ie. if you think Hamas leaders in wartime are living in civilian homes in Gaza, ready to have rockets dropped on them or militaries swarm them, think again). In fact, I'd go as far as rephrasing your statement to read that the horror is that there's only one end to this if things continue, and it resides in massive pools of blood.

When someone will consider my life, i will consider his.
As long as you guys here are ignoring us the civilianze in Israel, who are systemticly under fire for the last 11 years!
Donr expect fome me to feel sorry that we are fighting our battke againt a ruthless Jihad ideology.
Im not here to apologize sbout anything.
Im damd proud of our country, our people, por IDF.
This is us, united against the terror.
Nothing will stop us.
At the day missiles will stoped firing into israel, tunnels of terror will be destroied, and the terrors foundation in gaza will be vanished, and be free to live my life peacefuly, ill be open to discusse it with you.

Says the person who left Israel freely to see pearl jam last month.

And will not stop seeing them.
Hamas will never stop me from seeing PJ.
I will run to find shellter, i will lay down on the ground in the open air, i will escape from my car when hearing the alarm, i will be afarid as hell and praying the missile wont hit me or my beloved ones, and i still fly to a PJ gig.
Ist crazy?
Maybe.
But that is my reality. Not yours.
And i dont blame you for that. You dont live here.

Hamas mite never stop you from GOING to see pearl jam BUT YOUR GOVERNMENT is STOPPING you from seeing pearl jam IN ISRAEL. Ironic, no?

The inside politics is our deal, Dont worry for us the Israeli fans.
We have our spirit, and its strong more than you can imagen.

If PJ decide not to come here, its their decision.
They are adultes, with familys. They know what is the best for them.
But this will not prevent from me to travel in the free world and attend PJ gig.

SivanMerili

I can try to describe for you what is it like to be an Israeli-pj-fan, but it will never get close to what it realy is.

Long live our spirit.
Long live PJ.
Long live music, our sane escapation.