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http://www.democracynow.org/2014/7/18/glenn_greenwald_why_did_nbc_pull
Glenn Greenwald: Why Did NBC Pull Veteran Reporter After He Witnessed Israeli Killing of Gaza Kids?
NBC is facing questions over its decision to pull veteran news correspondent Ayman Mohyeldin out of Gaza just after he personally witnessed the Israeli military’s killing of four Palestinian boys on a Gaza beach. Mohyeldin was kicking a soccer ball around with the boys just minutes before they died. He is a longtime reporter in the region. In his coverage, he reports on the Gaza conflict in the context of the Israeli occupation, sparking criticism from some supporters of the Israeli offensive. Back in 2008 and 2009, when he worked for Al Jazeera, Mohyeldin and his colleague Sherine Tadros were the only foreign journalists on the ground in Gaza as Israel killed 1,400 people in what it called "Operation Cast Lead." We speak to Glenn Greenwald of The Intercept, who has revealed that the decision to pull Mohyeldin from Gaza and remove him from reporting on the situation came from NBC executive David Verdi. Greenwald also comments on the broader picture of the coverage of the Israel/Palestine conflict in the U.S. media.
GLENN GREENWALD: Interestingly, Amy, the way that this came to my attention was that there are people inside NBC News, including some very recognizable and high-profile journalists, who were very angry that, first of all, when NBC News with Brian Williams reported on the killing of those four boys on the beach, instead of having their journalist who made this event known to the world and who witnessed it firsthand, Ayman, report on it, they instead had Richard Engel in Tel Aviv do the reporting, and Ayman never appeared at all on the Nightly News broadcast. But that, you can chalk up to sort of standard network news machinations about who’s a bigger star and who’s more senior and the like.
But what was really stunning was, later that day, after what arguably was his biggest or one of his biggest events in his journalism career, where he really made a huge impact on having the world understand what’s happening in Gaza, they not only blocked him from appearing on the air to talk about it on NBC News, but then they told him to leave Gaza immediately. And when I interviewed NBC executives and the like, none of whom would talk to me on the record but who talked to me on background and the like, they claimed that the reason they told him to leave was because they had security concerns, not specific to him, but just general ones about whether journalists could be safe with the imminent Israeli ground invasion. And yet, as you just said, later that day, they sent into Gaza not only Richard Engel, but also a producer who works for NBC who had never been to Gaza, who doesn’t speak Arabic, who doesn’t know the area at all, in contrast to Ayman, who’s been there for many years, who speaks fluent Arabic and who is a very experienced war reporter. And so it raises very serious questions about what the real reason is that they told him, over his objections, that he had to leave.
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: And, Glenn, there have been questions raised about not just whether NBC was concerned about his reporting, but also about his post on social media. Could you talk about that, as well?
GLENN GREENWALD: What happened on the day that he witnessed the beach attacks was he posted some incredible tweets and, as well, some amazing photos and videos on both his Facebook and Instagram accounts about the reaction of the parents of the Palestinian boys learning right that moment that they had been killed—very, very powerful stuff. And he had also tweeted a couple of what I guess in the network news business is viewed as some unusually pointed tweets about the position of the U.S. government. Namely, the State Department spokeswoman was asked about this killing, and she essentially absolved Israel and blamed Hamas, what the U.S. government always does, even in the most egregious cases of Israeli war crimes. And he went onto Twitter and Facebook and posted some very mild comments essentially noting what the State Department had said and then inviting people to comment on it. And later that day, he deleted it. There’s speculation that he was either asked to delete it or that that was a cause in why he was removed. I don’t know whether that’s the case at all, because there’s still questions about what the real reason is.
But certainly, the whole context of what has happened here is that he is a very unique reporter, especially for a network news position. You know, the kind of reporting that—the amazing reporting that we just hear from Sharif usually is not the kind of reporting that you hear on the network news. And Ayman does that kind of reporting. And he’s been criticized for it by neoconservative outlets, calling him a Hamas sympathizer and the like. And so, for NBC to remove him at exactly the moment where he brought the humanity of this war and the humanity of Gazans to the world, at the same time that he posted some tweets that in network news land would be considered controversial because it questions the U.S. government and the Israeli position, at the very least, looks awful, and I think, for NBC News’s credibility, demands that they provide some answers about what really happened here.
...GLENN GREENWALD: Interestingly, you know, from working in the last several years in media, I’ve gotten to know a lot of journalists. I’ve gotten to understand a lot more about how these large media outlets function. I’ve worked with some of them over the last year in the reporting I’ve done. And it really is remarkable, and not hyperbole, that there is nothing that makes major media figures and news executives more petrified than reporting on Israel. I mean, the way in which they become so frightened to do any sort of reporting that could make what they call Israel’s supporters inside the United States angry really can’t be overstated.
And that’s the reason why this ABC, quote-unquote, "error" resonated so greatly, is because one of the things that you almost never see in major American media reporting is anything that shows the suffering of the Palestinians, that shows the brutal savagery of the Israeli military inside of Gaza. It was almost like they showed it by accident there and then just misreported it as being Israeli suffering because that’s what they’re so accustomed to showing, even though Israeli suffering is so much less than the havoc that is wreaked on the Palestinians.
But the one thing I will say that I think is actually encouraging is this is one case where social media really does make a difference. You have now Gazans inside of the worst attack zones that are able to go onto Twitter, that are able to go onto Facebook, that are able to upload video imagery, that are able to be heard in their own voices. And you have lots of pushback on social media, as well, toward media outlets and their unbelievably just grotesque pro-Israel bias, in a way that I think has really kind of improved the coverage this time, so that we are now seeing more of the reality of Israeli militarism and aggression. And they’re not being able to get away with calling every victim a Hamas terrorist or a Hamas supporter or a human shield, because social media enables the stark reality of what the Israelis are doing to be seen. It’s just part of the overall trend where major media outlets are losing their monopoly on how we understand the world, but it is still the case that nothing puts fear into the heart of American journalists—and American politicians—like the word "Israel." It’s really remarkable to watch.0 -
the kids on the beach, so sad and so telling on the way american media handles the situation. I am ashamed to be an American every day of my life. We have the greatest opportunities in the world and it's hard to think that anybody else in the world would waste them like we do.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0
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Byrnzie - I can't find anything about the ten-year cease fire being formally delivered to Israel, do you have a link anywhere?
Also, my guess is that the reason that the cease-fire was ten years as opposed to indefinitely is that it acknowledges living within an occupation, but in the long-term, obviously (and rightly so) the goal is to NOT live within an occupation. Is that accurate in your opinion? If not, care to help me understand why that's the case?'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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Then you should move!!!rgambs said:the kids on the beach, so sad and so telling on the way american media handles the situation. I am ashamed to be an American every day of my life. We have the greatest opportunities in the world and it's hard to think that anybody else in the world would waste them like we do.
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Wow, RR, unreal. Funny, none of us saw u telling Ed to MOVE when he railed against the 2 countries you so love. People on these threads post with links and articles to back their facts and all you do is try to rip them apart with your lame ass jokes that only YOU seem to laugh. Shit, even the people who support Israel on the threads aren't laughing. And now someone chooses to use their American RIGHT of free speech and you tell them to move. Classic. Truly classic. Someone once said that,"everyone in America has the right to freedom speech.........until they decide to use it." You want to crack jokes and bust balls, we can do that all fucken day, play a little game of big dick/little dick. But this conflict and cause is too fucken important to me. And it seems to a lot of us on here what you're trying to do, and believe me as much as I'd love to play this game of yours, this cause is to important and threads have to remain OPEN. Who knows, u did say we have a common thing in listening/seeing pearl jam. Maybe one day we'll get to play this game again........until then #FREEPALESTINE #GAZArr165892 said:
Then you should move!!!rgambs said:the kids on the beach, so sad and so telling on the way american media handles the situation. I am ashamed to be an American every day of my life. We have the greatest opportunities in the world and it's hard to think that anybody else in the world would waste them like we do.
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Badbrains,I believe your name calling and hateful vitriol led to the demise of that last thread.I have been keeping my comments polite and respectful and of course taking the higher road.You seem to be an angry little man.I wished your people the best in the last thread and hope for nothing but safety and well being to the innocent victims.badbrains said:
Wow, RR, unreal. Funny, none of us saw u telling Ed to MOVE when he railed against the 2 countries you so love. People on these threads post with links and articles to back their facts and all you do is try to rip them apart with your lame ass jokes that only YOU seem to laugh. Shit, even the people who support Israel on the threads aren't laughing. And now someone chooses to use their American RIGHT of free speech and you tell them to move. Classic. Truly classic. Someone once said that,"everyone in America has the right to freedom speech.........until they decide to use it." You want to crack jokes and bust balls, we can do that all fucken day, play a little game of big dick/little dick. But this conflict and cause is too fucken important to me. And it seems to a lot of us on here what you're trying to do, and believe me as much as I'd love to play this game of yours, this cause is to important and threads have to remain OPEN. Who knows, u did say we have a common thing in listening/seeing pearl jam. Maybe one day we'll get to play this game again........until then #FREEPALESTINE #GAZArr165892 said:
Then you should move!!!rgambs said:the kids on the beach, so sad and so telling on the way american media handles the situation. I am ashamed to be an American every day of my life. We have the greatest opportunities in the world and it's hard to think that anybody else in the world would waste them like we do.
I agree Rgambs has every right to speak his mind and I applaud him for it.Part of being the greatest country in the world is those rights.Im sorry he is ashamed every day to be an American.That to me is sad.And if he is so unhappy with our life ,culture and freedoms he should exercise his right to live where he feels proud of his country.I try to look at the good we offer the world and although there are days I question my governments actions or motives or policies I am never ashamed to be American.NEVER!!!!!!0 -
Btw,I told you Byrnzie is a machine and no one can post more links then him.So why try and add to the redundancy .0
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This was offered to the Israeli's in 2009, and again this week. http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/24755/Default.aspx It was offered in 2009 on the condition that Israel withdraw to the 1967 borders, as they are expected to do under international law, but of course Israel refused. This time, they simply call for an end to the blockade, and for the Israeli's to stick to the 2012 ceasefire agreement, which they've repeatedly violated.benjs said:Byrnzie - I can't find anything about the ten-year cease fire being formally delivered to Israel, do you have a link anywhere?
Also, my guess is that the reason that the cease-fire was ten years as opposed to indefinitely is that it acknowledges living within an occupation, but in the long-term, obviously (and rightly so) the goal is to NOT live within an occupation. Is that accurate in your opinion? If not, care to help me understand why that's the case?
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Yeah, God forbid you're an American reporter and you happen to witness a bunch of kids murdered by Israel right in front of your eyes. Because if you have the audacity to report it then you'll probably be removed from your post, and muzzled.rgambs said:the kids on the beach, so sad and so telling on the way american media handles the situation. I am ashamed to be an American every day of my life. We have the greatest opportunities in the world and it's hard to think that anybody else in the world would waste them like we do.
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I feel the Same way Mate War and Killing is absolutely pointless...you would think Human Beings would of learnt by now.badbrains said:
This invasion HAS TO FUCKEN STOP! Enough! NO EXCUSES, no more BULL SHIT! ENOUGH!Post edited by i_lov_it on0 -
I can understand your feelings, rgambs. At times like this I don't so much feel ashamed of being an American (because my true borders encompass the earth and I have not interest in visiting other planets) as I do being a member of the human race, a species that can't seem to get along with each other and continually goes to war over philosophies and/or resources rather than working to get along and help each other. This latest war is just one more example of humans resorting to violence and not being capable of reasonable action to resolve problems.rgambs said:the kids on the beach, so sad and so telling on the way american media handles the situation. I am ashamed to be an American every day of my life. We have the greatest opportunities in the world and it's hard to think that anybody else in the world would waste them like we do.
I will say this- one of the reasons I like being involved here on the Pearl Jam forums is because most everyone here has an interest in being compassionate and helpful toward each other. At times like this it's not a bad idea to check in with some of the threads (often found on AET but also here on AMT) in which good people reach out to help each other. Let's keep setting that good example for this ragged world.
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So Byrnzie please show me an example of a jibe.What is becoming clear is you Pro Palestinian folks don't want to discuss anything that Dosent go lock step with what you believe.Its quite hypocritical actually.Your steadfast in your beliefs I get that but I don't think you have ever admitted ANY fault or wrong doing on the side of Hamas or the Palestinians and just cast all blame on the Israelis and the evil Zionist and the Americans for funding them.As an outsider It's easy to see two sides that both have strong points and both have faults.I don't want either side here saying its not us its them.Both need to man up to imperfections.Byrnzie said:
The only thing redundant here are your pathetic little jibes.rr165892 said:Btw,I told you Byrnzie is a machine and no one can post more links then him.So why try and add to the redundancy .
You seem to be a bright individual,clearly you can tell that for progress to be made both sides need to meet at a middle ground.
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Byrnzie, again, has Israel been handed this proposal or is this just reports that are flying around?Byrnzie said:
This was offered to the Israeli's in 2009, and again this week. http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/24755/Default.aspx It was offered in 2009 on the condition that Israel withdraw to the 1967 borders, as they are expected to do under international law, but of course Israel refused. This time, they simply call for an end to the blockade, and for the Israeli's to stick to the 2012 ceasefire agreement, which they've repeatedly violated.benjs said:Byrnzie - I can't find anything about the ten-year cease fire being formally delivered to Israel, do you have a link anywhere?
Also, my guess is that the reason that the cease-fire was ten years as opposed to indefinitely is that it acknowledges living within an occupation, but in the long-term, obviously (and rightly so) the goal is to NOT live within an occupation. Is that accurate in your opinion? If not, care to help me understand why that's the case?
You also did not answer my question about the reason for the ten-year truce. If both sides are hoping for peace, I would hope there's a good reason for why ten years instead of indefinitely. If it's about a refusal to submit to an occupied existence perpetually, I completely agree with that logic.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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I have to agree with you. I am neither pro Israeli or pro Palestinian, I am against the lobbing of bombs by both sides and a ground invasion by isreal. I have been reading Byrnzies post for a couple years now and I have to say, I can't recall reading a post that in any way faults Palestine.rr165892 said:
So Byrnzie please show me an example of a jibe.What is becoming clear is you Pro Palestinian folks don't want to discuss anything that Dosent go lock step with what you believe.Its quite hypocritical actually.Your steadfast in your beliefs I get that but I don't think you have ever admitted ANY fault or wrong doing on the side of Hamas or the Palestinians and just cast all blame on the Israelis and the evil Zionist and the Americans for funding them.As an outsider It's easy to see two sides that both have strong points and both have faults.I don't want either side here saying its not us its them.Both need to man up to imperfections.Byrnzie said:
The only thing redundant here are your pathetic little jibes.rr165892 said:Btw,I told you Byrnzie is a machine and no one can post more links then him.So why try and add to the redundancy .
You seem to be a bright individual,clearly you can tell that for progress to be made both sides need to meet at a middle ground.
I could care less who started what and when, but it's time for both sides to forget about the past and start over. Sit them in a fuckin room at gunpoint and don't let them out until a peace is negotiated. (Ok, so at gunpoint is a bit hypocritical, but you get the idea). It's time to put religion and politics aside and think about humanity. I know that seems like common sense but it seems to me that nobody has any.Post edited by Last-12-Exit on0 -
They need to throw on a little PJ,grab a couple beers,a plate of chicken wings grab a pen and paper and work it out.Let Vedder moderate0
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Yeah I agree as well, even though I do have my leanings in this situation. Even if one side is more right than the other, perpetual war isn't getting anyone anywhere.Last-12-Exit said:
I have to agree with you. I am neither pro Israeli or pro Palestinian, I am against the lobbing of bombs by both sides and a ground invasion by isreal. I have been reading Byrnzies post for a couple years now and I have to say, I can't recall reading a post that in any way faults Palestine.rr165892 said:
So Byrnzie please show me an example of a jibe.What is becoming clear is you Pro Palestinian folks don't want to discuss anything that Dosent go lock step with what you believe.Its quite hypocritical actually.Your steadfast in your beliefs I get that but I don't think you have ever admitted ANY fault or wrong doing on the side of Hamas or the Palestinians and just cast all blame on the Israelis and the evil Zionist and the Americans for funding them.As an outsider It's easy to see two sides that both have strong points and both have faults.I don't want either side here saying its not us its them.Both need to man up to imperfections.Byrnzie said:
The only thing redundant here are your pathetic little jibes.rr165892 said:Btw,I told you Byrnzie is a machine and no one can post more links then him.So why try and add to the redundancy .
You seem to be a bright individual,clearly you can tell that for progress to be made both sides need to meet at a middle ground.
I could care less who started what and when, but it's time for both sides to forget about the past and start over. Sit them in a fuckin room at gunpoint and don't let them out until a peace is negotiated. (Ok, so at gunpoint is a bit hypocritical, but you get the idea). It's time to put religion and politics aside and think about humanity. I know that seems like common sense but it seems to me that nobody has any.
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My leanings fluctuate from day to day these days. It's becoming incredibly difficult in my real life to listen to my Jewish parents and siblings who adamantly push a biased opinion formed without logic. This is a major reason I've tried to stick around here. I don't want to convince Palestinians that they aren't enduring hardships. Any human being who claims otherwise is bat shit crazy. Both sides require some empathy in order to move forward, because pointing fingers gets no one anywhere. Great post. And common sense is a term that, at this point, ought to be retired, as it is far from common.Last-12-Exit said:
I have to agree with you. I am neither pro Israeli or pro Palestinian, I am against the lobbing of bombs by both sides and a ground invasion by isreal. I have been reading Byrnzies post for a couple years now and I have to say, I can't recall reading a post that in any way faults Palestine.rr165892 said:
So Byrnzie please show me an example of a jibe.What is becoming clear is you Pro Palestinian folks don't want to discuss anything that Dosent go lock step with what you believe.Its quite hypocritical actually.Your steadfast in your beliefs I get that but I don't think you have ever admitted ANY fault or wrong doing on the side of Hamas or the Palestinians and just cast all blame on the Israelis and the evil Zionist and the Americans for funding them.As an outsider It's easy to see two sides that both have strong points and both have faults.I don't want either side here saying its not us its them.Both need to man up to imperfections.Byrnzie said:
The only thing redundant here are your pathetic little jibes.rr165892 said:Btw,I told you Byrnzie is a machine and no one can post more links then him.So why try and add to the redundancy .
You seem to be a bright individual,clearly you can tell that for progress to be made both sides need to meet at a middle ground.
I could care less who started what and when, but it's time for both sides to forget about the past and start over. Sit them in a fuckin room at gunpoint and don't let them out until a peace is negotiated. (Ok, so at gunpoint is a bit hypocritical, but you get the idea). It's time to put religion and politics aside and think about humanity. I know that seems like common sense but it seems to me that nobody has any.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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This is from a quote I posted in the "There is no god" thread and I think it fits here as well:
Attempts by the anthropocentrists to define the unknown, to finite the infinite, have only led and continue to lead to ecological holocaust and the deaths of billions of lives.
All wars have their foundations in the conflicts of anthropocentrism over philosophy, territory, resources and power."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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