I could care less who started what and when, but it's time for both sides to forget about the past and start over.
Hi Last-12-Exit, I have some major problems with the sentiment you've expressed here. Before I continue: Are you American? I will assume you are not from Palestine or the Middle East in this post. But I will ask you to try to understand what a Palestinian may think or feel with the sentiment expressed above.
Let us say you are a Palestinian living anywhere in the world: Perhaps you grew up in the West Bank yourself under a brutal occupation. Maybe you have a wife who lives behind the green line (in Israel) that you can never see because Israel does not allow to travel a few miles into their land because of where you were born. Maybe you have a job that takes you hours to get to every day, and to come home every day, because you have to pass through checkpoints. Or you have family that lives behind the illegal wall that Israel built through the West Bank that cuts off villages from each other. And you have to deal with illegal Jewish settlers who come burn your farm just because of the person you were born to be; Perhaps your family lived in what is now Israel during the 1947-1948 ethnic cleansing of the land, when over 750,000 Palestinians were forced from their homes due to the Zionists seeking to create a "Jewish state" - and you now live in a refugee camp because your family was unable to return to their homes. You have relatives who in the 1950s tried to walk back home and were shot dead by Israeli soldiers. Life in a refugee is all you know, and you pray for the day you can go back home; Maybe you are a child in Gaza - your family was also made refugees in 1947-48 and has gone to Gaza, as nearly 75% of the population living in the Strip are. Maybe you have dreams of going to another country for school, because you're a bright student and won a scholarship to go to Harvard. But you can't go because Israel (along with Egypt) has imposed a brutal land, air and sea siege that has essentially trapped you in one of the most densely populated pieces of land in the world, and you are stuck there. And you have to deal with constant bombardment from the air, land and sea by soldiers, and you know Palestinians personally who were shot for walking "too close" to the border, even though it's still within the limit that Israel has technically allowed for you.
Or maybe you even grew up in the West or elsewhere in the world, but have close family relatives dealing with this on a daily basis.
Would you not ask yourself, as a Palestinian, "why is this happening?" Would you not ask, "why did people do this to us?" Any decent history book has documented well what Zionists did to create the state of Israel, by expelling Palestinians, and what they have been doing since to maintain their control over the land, which includes separating large segments of Palestinian communities from the rest. Any decent history book has documented well the conditions the Palestinians have faced, all due to one basic fact: one dominant side, with one of the largest militaries in the world, will not give us rights that are equal to theirs, who will not allow us to simply return to our homes - all because they want a state that is exclusively theirs. All because it is not enough for all of us to have equal rights - they want the land for themselves.
I ask you, when you look at it through the eyes of the Palestinians, is it as simple as "forgetting who started what and when" - especially given that this "when" is still ongoing? Is it simple to just ignore the past given that Palestinians are still subjected to the same injustices they were subjected to in the past? To "start over", would you not agree, through the Palestinian perspective, they would need for the wrongs inflicted on them to be corrected?
Now, take yourself out of the Palestinian perspective. You're just another human being. Do you not see the humanity in these simple demands of the Palestinian people? To just be equal?
(P.S. We cannot compare the "Palestinian narrative" to the "Zionist narrative". We have to remember something: This is not a double-edged sword. This is a conflict with an oppressed, and an oppressor. We can't ignore the power dynamic between the two parties. We know all too well of many conflicts that included an oppressed and an oppressor. Let's drop the bullshit, and finally treat this issue as one, as it well deserves.)
No, I am not Palestinian. I am a white American that is tired of my government treat its people like criminals. I'm a white American tired of war. I'm a white American tired of seeing people kill each other on the streets of every city in the world. I'm a white American tired of. the hypocrisy every government throws on its people just to think we are to stupid to realize it.
I don't, for a second, pretend to understand the problems the people of Gaza have dealt with for 200 years. I don't pretend to understand the horror that the israelis have inflicted on the Palestinians on almost a daliy basis. I also don't pretend to understand the horrors inflicted on Israel from Palestine over the years. I also don't understand the United States blind support of Israel.
It saddens me as a human being what is going on in the middle east. So at this point, maybe forgetting about what happened in the past isn't such a bad thing. Maybe the voices of reason on both sides can move forward without the prejudices of the past.
As a white American, I can't understand what its like to live unequal to the rest of the world, but that doesn't mean I can't hope that one day the arabs and the Jews can't live side by side without hate.
To deliberately wage war so your own people are killed is moral insanity, but it rests on a sickly rational premise: Given the way the world treats Israel, along with historical ignorance and reflexive sympathy for the supposed underdog, Palestinian casualties undermine Israel’s legitimacy and right to self-defense. So Hamas’ depravity sort of makes evil sense. All the morons condemn Israel, a state warred upon for 66 years yet goes to extraordinary lengths to AVOID harming the innocents its enemies use as shields.
It’s really to the Israelis’ credit that amid all this madness they don't just bomb the living fuck out of all their neighbors that want to eradicate them.
Seriously though, did you really get all of your 'information' about this massacre from watching Fox news?
Watching this bullshit really is an eye-opener. Propaganda in full effect. And Americans thought that the Soviets had it bad? At least the Russians knew they were being lied to. How many Americans sit blinking in front of their t.v sets swallowing this shit whole? She sounds like some dizzy school girl from Beverly Hills 90210.
"There are several reasons why Americans should care very deeply about this current conflict. And number one because of 9/11. Because Hamas and Al Queda are the same types of Islamic terrorist groups that are theologically motivated with the goal of destroying the West...Hamas is attacking Israel because it sees Israel as the outpost of the West in the Middle East, and it knows that if we abandon Israel, if we allow Israel to be destroyed, then we are next, and it can destroy us."
[Notice how she keeps having to look down at the paper on the desk in front of her. Yet she pretends that she isn't reading this shit from a pre-prepared script. I wonder how long she sat in front of her Barbie mirror at home the night before, rehearsing this gibberish?]
You are ragging on how someone looks and sounds now?,what does her "Barbie"looks have to do with anything she's reporting.
I guess your right If talking shit is asking for peace,and asking both sides to look in the mirror and come clean with their respective shortcomings.
But that's not what you're doing. Your "talking shit" makes you look like a clown. I dnt think you realize how important this cause is for a lot of people or you just DNT GIVE A FUCK. Which I think is the case. If you truly cared, you wouldn't be clowning. Like I said before, it's clear to most on here what you're doing. And debating you're not. You can have all the opinions you want and have many disagree with you, but be respectful to others. I know it mite be hard for you to be respectful but give it a try. Make your momma happy.....
To deliberately wage war so your own people are killed is moral insanity, but it rests on a sickly rational premise: Given the way the world treats Israel, along with historical ignorance and reflexive sympathy for the supposed underdog, Palestinian casualties undermine Israel’s legitimacy and right to self-defense. So Hamas’ depravity sort of makes evil sense. All the morons condemn Israel, a state warred upon for 66 years yet goes to extraordinary lengths to AVOID harming the innocents its enemies use as shields.
It’s really to the Israelis’ credit that amid all this madness they don't just bomb the living fuck out of all their neighbors that want to eradicate them.
Seriously though, did you really get all of your 'information' about this massacre from watching Fox news?
Watching this bullshit really is an eye-opener. Propaganda in full effect. And Americans thought that the Soviets had it bad? At least the Russians knew they were being lied to. How many Americans sit blinking in front of their t.v sets swallowing this shit whole? She sounds like some dizzy school girl from Beverly Hills 90210.
"There are several reasons why Americans should care very deeply about this current conflict. And number one because of 9/11. Because Hamas and Al Queda are the same types of Islamic terrorist groups that are theologically motivated with the goal of destroying the West...Hamas is attacking Israel because it sees Israel as the outpost of the West in the Middle East, and it knows that if we abandon Israel, if we allow Israel to be destroyed, then we are next, and it can destroy us."
[Notice how she keeps having to look down at the paper on the desk in front of her. Yet she pretends that she isn't reading this shit from a pre-prepared script. I wonder how long she sat in front of her Barbie mirror at home the night before, rehearsing this gibberish?]
You are ragging on how someone looks and sounds now?,what does her "Barbie"looks have to do with anything she's reporting.
And what does byrnzie's urban dictionary name thing u posted have to do with what he's reporting??? See, you're a fucken troll and a shitty one at that.
First of all, wow, you did what most news organizations do taking half of what I said out and editing it to prove your point. I'm aware that there were agreements in the past and most of them were broken by the Israelis. Secondly, what the point of the first paragraph in my post was that I haven't seen you write a post that puts any fault or blame on the Palestinians.
Fault or blame for what? The occupation? Great, then go ahead and enlighten me as to how the Palestinians are at fault for being ethnically cleansed, and routinely terrorized.
I guess your right If talking shit is asking for peace,and asking both sides to look in the mirror and come clean with their respective shortcomings.
Exactly - talking shite. I.e, deliberately ignoring the reality of the situation. Pretending it's a level playing field. That, and making the odd snide comment and personal insult.
And what does byrnzie's urban dictionary name thing u posted have to do with what he's reporting??? See, you're a fucken troll and a shitty one at that.
You are ragging on how someone looks and sounds now?,what does her "Barbie"looks have to do with anything she's reporting.
You already succeeded in getting one thread closed with your lame trolling bullshit. Hopefully the mods will see fit to ban you before closing any more.
I guess your right If talking shit is asking for peace,and asking both sides to look in the mirror and come clean with their respective shortcomings.
But that's not what you're doing. Your "talking shit" makes you look like a clown. I dnt think you realize how important this cause is for a lot of people or you just DNT GIVE A FUCK. Which I think is the case. If you truly cared, you wouldn't be clowning. Like I said before, it's clear to most on here what you're doing. And debating you're not. You can have all the opinions you want and have many disagree with you, but be respectful to others. I know it mite be hard for you to be respectful but give it a try. Make your momma happy.....
I haven't been disrespectful at all,and I am we'll aware of the toll this is taking on many innocent people.I don't care if you think I'm a clown,and I sure as hell don't care what "a lot of people" think. You used a key word in your last statement .CAUSE. Your 100% right.Your Cause is not my concern.That is something you folks can take up again after the fighting stops.Your cause is no more important than the Israelis cause as far as my stance is concerned.You both have to stop fighting for your causes before even more people die.Then you can both hash this out.
And Badbrains ,anyone who goes back and reads my comments will see I have been nothing but civil and respectfulk while you and your Pro Palestinian friends continue to take personal shots at me.You preach above for me to be respectful of others while you call me a clown and say my opinion is talking shit.This is a discussion board,not a pro Palestinian recruitment anti Israeli site.When people disagree on an issue they all give an opinion.I listen to yours,you listen to mine,others way in.Isnt that why we come on here to discuss?? My opinion is your fighting a battle that you can not win militarily they can crush Gaza .My opinion is Hamas is going to hurt your CAUSE not help.My opinion is needless lives are being wasted in this conflict and it won't stop until the fighting stops.My opinion is that in order for a compromise to be reached,both sides need to see what they do wrong and what can be better.My opinion is as long as Hamas is speaking and fighting for your Cause you will not get the full support of the moderate Arab states that you NEED not only for opening borders but for important support at a negotiating table. What about my opinion is talking shit?????What was so disrespectful?
The ministers and prime minister of the new Palestinian unity government swear in front of the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, in Ramallah.
After seven years of a bitter and at times lethalrivalry between the two main Palestinian factions, Fatah and Hamas, a historic Palestinian unity government has been sworn in , ending years of division.
The signing ceremony, which seems likely to complicate relations with the Palestinian Authority's international aid donors in Europe and the US and increase tensions with Israel, was broadcast live in Gaza and the West Bank.
Despite the US secretary of state, John Kerry, telephoning the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, to express "concern about Hamas's role in any such government" ahead of the ceremony, the US said on Monday night that it would work with the new government but that it would be "watching closely to ensure that it upholds principles that President Abbas reiterated today", State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said.
It's ok... The world will wait until Hamas captures a couple of soldiers. The prisoner exchange typically matches the casualty ratio. And so it continues...
It's ok... The world will wait until Hamas captures a couple of soldiers. The prisoner exchange typically matches the casualty ratio. And so it continues...
Clearly a unified Palestinian government was unacceptable to the Israeli's, as it represented a serious threat to their maintaining of the status quo - occupation, and continued settlement expansion - so they needed a pretext for trying to destroy it.
Unfortunately some people actually believe the bullshit they're spoon-fed by the glossy lipped bimbo's on Fox News, and think that Hamas are responsible for being bombed, and for Palestinian women and children being blown to pieces, and that Israel is now defending itself from the threat of extinction.
The ministers and prime minister of the new Palestinian unity government swear in front of the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, in Ramallah.
After seven years of a bitter and at times lethalrivalry between the two main Palestinian factions, Fatah and Hamas, a historic Palestinian unity government has been sworn in , ending years of division.
The signing ceremony, which seems likely to complicate relations with the Palestinian Authority's international aid donors in Europe and the US and increase tensions with Israel, was broadcast live in Gaza and the West Bank.
Despite the US secretary of state, John Kerry, telephoning the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, to express "concern about Hamas's role in any such government" ahead of the ceremony, the US said on Monday night that it would work with the new government but that it would be "watching closely to ensure that it upholds principles that President Abbas reiterated today", State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said.
Hamas is offering Israel a 10-year truce if it accepts 10 conditions.
Withdrawal of Israeli tanks from the Gaza border.
Freeing all the prisoners that were arrested after the killing of the three youths.
Lifting the siege and opening the border crossings to commerce and people.
Establishing an international seaport and airport which would be under U.N. supervision.
Increasing the permitted fishing zone to 10 kilometers.
Internationalizing the Rafah Crossing and placing it under the supervision of the U.N. and some Arab nations.
International forces on the borders.
Easing conditions for permits to pray at the Al Aqsa Mosque.
Prohibition on Israeli interference in the reconciliation agreement.
Reestablishing an industrial zone and improvements in further economic development in the Gaza Strip.
how can israel deny these terms and not be the bad guy? I dont understand how people can see this as a struggle between powers. RR said its a fistfight that Palestine cant win, so what are they supposed to drop their hands and let Israel hit them? Is the proven aggressor going to stop? Of course not! r
The ministers and prime minister of the new Palestinian unity government swear in front of the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, in Ramallah.
After seven years of a bitter and at times lethalrivalry between the two main Palestinian factions, Fatah and Hamas, a historic Palestinian unity government has been sworn in , ending years of division.
The signing ceremony, which seems likely to complicate relations with the Palestinian Authority's international aid donors in Europe and the US and increase tensions with Israel, was broadcast live in Gaza and the West Bank.
Despite the US secretary of state, John Kerry, telephoning the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, to express "concern about Hamas's role in any such government" ahead of the ceremony, the US said on Monday night that it would work with the new government but that it would be "watching closely to ensure that it upholds principles that President Abbas reiterated today", State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
To deliberately wage war so your own people are killed is moral insanity, but it rests on a sickly rational premise: Given the way the world treats Israel, along with historical ignorance and reflexive sympathy for the supposed underdog, Palestinian casualties undermine Israel’s legitimacy and right to self-defense. So Hamas’ depravity sort of makes evil sense. All the morons condemn Israel, a state warred upon for 66 years yet goes to extraordinary lengths to AVOID harming the innocents its enemies use as shields.
It’s really to the Israelis’ credit that amid all this madness they don't just bomb the living fuck out of all their neighbors that want to eradicate them.
Seriously though, did you really get all of your 'information' about this massacre from watching Fox news?
Watching this bullshit really is an eye-opener. Propaganda in full effect. And Americans thought that the Soviets had it bad? At least the Russians knew they were being lied to. How many Americans sit blinking in front of their t.v sets swallowing this shit whole? She sounds like some dizzy school girl from Beverly Hills 90210.
"There are several reasons why Americans should care very deeply about this current conflict. And number one because of 9/11. Because Hamas and Al Queda are the same types of Islamic terrorist groups that are theologically motivated with the goal of destroying the West...Hamas is attacking Israel because it sees Israel as the outpost of the West in the Middle East, and it knows that if we abandon Israel, if we allow Israel to be destroyed, then we are next, and it can destroy us."
[Notice how she keeps having to look down at the paper on the desk in front of her. Yet she pretends that she isn't reading this shit from a pre-prepared script. I wonder how long she sat in front of her Barbie mirror at home the night before, rehearsing this gibberish?]
You are ragging on how someone looks and sounds now?,what does her "Barbie"looks have to do with anything she's reporting.
And what does byrnzie's urban dictionary name thing u posted have to do with what he's reporting??? See, you're a fucken troll and a shitty one at that.
Yeah,I should have known being friendly and joking would be frowned on on a PJ fan forum.Byrnzie quotes himself in his signature.and seems like a bright guy,I thought maybe he was an author.So I checked and posted what came up.It was not personal at all,nor was it degrading.
It's ok... The world will wait until Hamas captures a couple of soldiers. The prisoner exchange typically matches the casualty ratio. And so it continues...
Is that what your television told you?
No. Actually, that's the playbook. You go search through some guardian links and find me the links to the above on fox or cnn. Go...
The ministers and prime minister of the new Palestinian unity government swear in front of the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, in Ramallah.
After seven years of a bitter and at times lethalrivalry between the two main Palestinian factions, Fatah and Hamas, a historic Palestinian unity government has been sworn in , ending years of division.
The signing ceremony, which seems likely to complicate relations with the Palestinian Authority's international aid donors in Europe and the US and increase tensions with Israel, was broadcast live in Gaza and the West Bank.
Despite the US secretary of state, John Kerry, telephoning the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, to express "concern about Hamas's role in any such government" ahead of the ceremony, the US said on Monday night that it would work with the new government but that it would be "watching closely to ensure that it upholds principles that President Abbas reiterated today", State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said.
To deliberately wage war so your own people are killed is moral insanity, but it rests on a sickly rational premise: Given the way the world treats Israel, along with historical ignorance and reflexive sympathy for the supposed underdog, Palestinian casualties undermine Israel’s legitimacy and right to self-defense. So Hamas’ depravity sort of makes evil sense. All the morons condemn Israel, a state warred upon for 66 years yet goes to extraordinary lengths to AVOID harming the innocents its enemies use as shields.
It’s really to the Israelis’ credit that amid all this madness they don't just bomb the living fuck out of all their neighbors that want to eradicate them.
Seriously though, did you really get all of your 'information' about this massacre from watching Fox news?
Watching this bullshit really is an eye-opener. Propaganda in full effect. And Americans thought that the Soviets had it bad? At least the Russians knew they were being lied to. How many Americans sit blinking in front of their t.v sets swallowing this shit whole? She sounds like some dizzy school girl from Beverly Hills 90210.
"There are several reasons why Americans should care very deeply about this current conflict. And number one because of 9/11. Because Hamas and Al Queda are the same types of Islamic terrorist groups that are theologically motivated with the goal of destroying the West...Hamas is attacking Israel because it sees Israel as the outpost of the West in the Middle East, and it knows that if we abandon Israel, if we allow Israel to be destroyed, then we are next, and it can destroy us."
[Notice how she keeps having to look down at the paper on the desk in front of her. Yet she pretends that she isn't reading this shit from a pre-prepared script. I wonder how long she sat in front of her Barbie mirror at home the night before, rehearsing this gibberish?]
You are ragging on how someone looks and sounds now?,what does her "Barbie"looks have to do with anything she's reporting.
And what does byrnzie's urban dictionary name thing u posted have to do with what he's reporting??? See, you're a fucken troll and a shitty one at that.
Yeah,I should have known being friendly and joking would be frowned on on a PJ fan forum.Byrnzie quotes himself in his signature.and seems like a bright guy,I thought maybe he was an author.So I checked and posted what came up.It was not personal at all,nor was it degrading.
You guys are classic
Hahahahaha being friendly??? That's what u call it? Damn bro, we had u all wrong? You were reaching out with an olive branch this whole time? Fuck bro, my bad.
Anyone else thinks it's a bit creepy and ODD that RR googled the word "byrnzie" in the urban dictionary? What's with your fascination with byrnzie? And usually when someone jokes, people laugh WITH the person NOT AT the PERSON.
Clearly a unified Palestinian government was unacceptable to the Israeli's, as it represented a serious threat to their maintaining of the status quo - occupation, and continued settlement expansion - so they needed a pretext for trying to destroy it.
Unfortunately some people actually believe the bullshit they're spoon-fed by the glossy lipped bimbo's on Fox News, and think that Hamas are responsible for being bombed, and for Palestinian women and children being blown to pieces, and that Israel is now defending itself from the threat of extinction.
Welcome to the 21st Century.
They have never accomplished a thing together in the past and present (6 weeks). And I have seen no reason to believe that said unity government is able to make leadership decisions for the people of Gaza.
Where is the government? It's war, and the gov't is nowhere! Disgusting form of leadership.
Maybe you were too busy trying to be clever that you didn't notice Gaza has been under intense aerial bombardment for the past week. In the meantime, some Hamas representatives in surrounding states have been putting forth ceasefire proposals like the one I just showed you. The ceasefire agreement presented a couple of days ago by the Israeli's was redundant from the outset, as Hamas weren't even consulted on it.
Clearly a unified Palestinian government was unacceptable to the Israeli's, as it represented a serious threat to their maintaining of the status quo - occupation, and continued settlement expansion - so they needed a pretext for trying to destroy it.
Unfortunately some people actually believe the bullshit they're spoon-fed by the glossy lipped bimbo's on Fox News, and think that Hamas are responsible for being bombed, and for Palestinian women and children being blown to pieces, and that Israel is now defending itself from the threat of extinction.
Welcome to the 21st Century.
They have never accomplished a thing together in the past and present (6 weeks). And I have seen no reason to believe that said unity government is able to make leadership decisions for the people of Gaza.
And what has the Israeli government accomplished in the past 60+ Years for bringing peace to it's citizens?
Badbrains you and Byrnzie have no intention of discussing this issue like mature adults.You have stooped to personal attacks calling me a fucking clown and a fucking troll.While hypocritically saying I should be respectful.If I made fun of a middle eastern news reporters looks or stereotyped her like Byrnzie did to the fox reporter you "gentlemen" would call me a Rascist .Philly asks some good questions and you blame him for trying to be clever.You guys have not answered any question,not one without asking one in return.When someone does go in depth and answer one of your many questions you guys dismiss it or ignore it all together.You folks have missed the spirt of these fan boards and should take your only pro Palestinian rhetoric to other sites where you can all be amongst like minded people.You won't have to worry about us clown like Americans questioning you and your opinion
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I don't, for a second, pretend to understand the problems the people of Gaza have dealt with for 200 years. I don't pretend to understand the horror that the israelis have inflicted on the Palestinians on almost a daliy basis. I also don't pretend to understand the horrors inflicted on Israel from Palestine over the years. I also don't understand the United States blind support of Israel.
It saddens me as a human being what is going on in the middle east. So at this point, maybe forgetting about what happened in the past isn't such a bad thing. Maybe the voices of reason on both sides can move forward without the prejudices of the past.
As a white American, I can't understand what its like to live unequal to the rest of the world, but that doesn't mean I can't hope that one day the arabs and the Jews can't live side by side without hate.
2013- Brooklyn2, Philly1, Philly2, NOLA
What does Googling my name have to fucking to do with anything either?
Please, someone answer my question! Where is Hamas? Sipping Mimosas with oil money in Qatar?
Who amongst the new "unity government" or Hamas is going to negotiate a cease fire?
2013- Brooklyn2, Philly1, Philly2, NOLA
You used a key word in your last statement .CAUSE.
Your 100% right.Your Cause is not my concern.That is something you folks can take up again after the fighting stops.Your cause is no more important than the Israelis cause as far as my stance is concerned.You both have to stop fighting for your causes before even more people die.Then you can both hash this out.
And Badbrains ,anyone who goes back and reads my comments will see I have been nothing but civil and respectfulk while you and your Pro Palestinian friends continue to take personal shots at me.You preach above for me to be respectful of others while you call me a clown and say my opinion is talking shit.This is a discussion board,not a pro Palestinian recruitment anti Israeli site.When people disagree on an issue they all give an opinion.I listen to yours,you listen to mine,others way in.Isnt that why we come on here to discuss??
My opinion is your fighting a battle that you can not win militarily they can crush Gaza .My opinion is Hamas is going to hurt your CAUSE not help.My opinion is needless lives are being wasted in this conflict and it won't stop until the fighting stops.My opinion is that in order for a compromise to be reached,both sides need to see what they do wrong and what can be better.My opinion is as long as Hamas is speaking and fighting for your Cause you will not get the full support of the moderate Arab states that you NEED not only for opening borders but for important support at a negotiating table.
What about my opinion is talking shit?????What was so disrespectful?
The rest was serious.
2013- Brooklyn2, Philly1, Philly2, NOLA
Palestinian unity government of Fatah and Hamas sworn in
Ceremony paves way for long-delayed elections in Gaza and West Bank, but US expresses concern about role of Hamas
2 June 2014
The ministers and prime minister of the new Palestinian unity government swear in front of the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, in Ramallah.
After seven years of a bitter and at times lethalrivalry between the two main Palestinian factions, Fatah and Hamas, a historic Palestinian unity government has been sworn in , ending years of division.
The signing ceremony, which seems likely to complicate relations with the Palestinian Authority's international aid donors in Europe and the US and increase tensions with Israel, was broadcast live in Gaza and the West Bank.
Despite the US secretary of state, John Kerry, telephoning the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, to express "concern about Hamas's role in any such government" ahead of the ceremony, the US said on Monday night that it would work with the new government but that it would be "watching closely to ensure that it upholds principles that President Abbas reiterated today", State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said.
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http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/report-israel-conditions.html
Hamas offers Israel 10 conditions for a 10 year truce
Ira Glunts on July 16, 2014 86
Hamas is offering Israel a 10-year truce if it accepts 10 conditions.
Withdrawal of Israeli tanks from the Gaza border.
Freeing all the prisoners that were arrested after the killing of the three youths.
Lifting the siege and opening the border crossings to commerce and people.
Establishing an international seaport and airport which would be under U.N. supervision.
Increasing the permitted fishing zone to 10 kilometers.
Internationalizing the Rafah Crossing and placing it under the supervision of the U.N. and some Arab nations.
International forces on the borders.
Easing conditions for permits to pray at the Al Aqsa Mosque.
Prohibition on Israeli interference in the reconciliation agreement.
Reestablishing an industrial zone and improvements in further economic development in the Gaza Strip.
2013- Brooklyn2, Philly1, Philly2, NOLA
Unfortunately some people actually believe the bullshit they're spoon-fed by the glossy lipped bimbo's on Fox News, and think that Hamas are responsible for being bombed, and for Palestinian women and children being blown to pieces, and that Israel is now defending itself from the threat of extinction.
Welcome to the 21st Century.
how can israel deny these terms and not be the bad guy? I dont understand how people can see this as a struggle between powers. RR said its a fistfight that Palestine cant win, so what are they supposed to drop their hands and let Israel hit them? Is the proven aggressor going to stop? Of course not! r
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
You guys are classic
2013- Brooklyn2, Philly1, Philly2, NOLA
10 points are a good start… Israel has a laundry list as well. Let's go!
2013- Brooklyn2, Philly1, Philly2, NOLA
Anyone else thinks it's a bit creepy and ODD that RR googled the word "byrnzie" in the urban dictionary? What's with your fascination with byrnzie? And usually when someone jokes, people laugh WITH the person NOT AT the PERSON.
2013- Brooklyn2, Philly1, Philly2, NOLA
In the meantime, some Hamas representatives in surrounding states have been putting forth ceasefire proposals like the one I just showed you.
The ceasefire agreement presented a couple of days ago by the Israeli's was redundant from the outset, as Hamas weren't even consulted on it.