the kids on the beach, so sad and so telling on the way american media handles the situation. I am ashamed to be an American every day of my life. We have the greatest opportunities in the world and it's hard to think that anybody else in the world would waste them like we do.
I can understand your feelings, rgambs. At times like this I don't so much feel ashamed of being an American (because my true borders encompass the earth and I have not interest in visiting other planets) as I do being a member of the human race, a species that can't seem to get along with each other and continually goes to war over philosophies and/or resources rather than working to get along and help each other. This latest war is just one more example of humans resorting to violence and not being capable of reasonable action to resolve problems.
I will say this- one of the reasons I like being involved here on the Pearl Jam forums is because most everyone here has an interest in being compassionate and helpful toward each other. At times like this it's not a bad idea to check in with some of the threads (often found on AET but also here on AMT) in which good people reach out to help each other. Let's keep setting that good example for this ragged world.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Btw,I told you Byrnzie is a machine and no one can post more links then him.So why try and add to the redundancy .
The only thing redundant here are your pathetic little jibes.
So Byrnzie please show me an example of a jibe.What is becoming clear is you Pro Palestinian folks don't want to discuss anything that Dosent go lock step with what you believe.Its quite hypocritical actually.Your steadfast in your beliefs I get that but I don't think you have ever admitted ANY fault or wrong doing on the side of Hamas or the Palestinians and just cast all blame on the Israelis and the evil Zionist and the Americans for funding them.As an outsider It's easy to see two sides that both have strong points and both have faults.I don't want either side here saying its not us its them.Both need to man up to imperfections. You seem to be a bright individual,clearly you can tell that for progress to be made both sides need to meet at a middle ground.
Byrnzie - I can't find anything about the ten-year cease fire being formally delivered to Israel, do you have a link anywhere? Also, my guess is that the reason that the cease-fire was ten years as opposed to indefinitely is that it acknowledges living within an occupation, but in the long-term, obviously (and rightly so) the goal is to NOT live within an occupation. Is that accurate in your opinion? If not, care to help me understand why that's the case?
This was offered to the Israeli's in 2009, and again this week. http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/24755/Default.aspx It was offered in 2009 on the condition that Israel withdraw to the 1967 borders, as they are expected to do under international law, but of course Israel refused. This time, they simply call for an end to the blockade, and for the Israeli's to stick to the 2012 ceasefire agreement, which they've repeatedly violated.
Byrnzie, again, has Israel been handed this proposal or is this just reports that are flying around? You also did not answer my question about the reason for the ten-year truce. If both sides are hoping for peace, I would hope there's a good reason for why ten years instead of indefinitely. If it's about a refusal to submit to an occupied existence perpetually, I completely agree with that logic.
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Btw,I told you Byrnzie is a machine and no one can post more links then him.So why try and add to the redundancy .
The only thing redundant here are your pathetic little jibes.
So Byrnzie please show me an example of a jibe.What is becoming clear is you Pro Palestinian folks don't want to discuss anything that Dosent go lock step with what you believe.Its quite hypocritical actually.Your steadfast in your beliefs I get that but I don't think you have ever admitted ANY fault or wrong doing on the side of Hamas or the Palestinians and just cast all blame on the Israelis and the evil Zionist and the Americans for funding them.As an outsider It's easy to see two sides that both have strong points and both have faults.I don't want either side here saying its not us its them.Both need to man up to imperfections. You seem to be a bright individual,clearly you can tell that for progress to be made both sides need to meet at a middle ground.
I have to agree with you. I am neither pro Israeli or pro Palestinian, I am against the lobbing of bombs by both sides and a ground invasion by isreal. I have been reading Byrnzies post for a couple years now and I have to say, I can't recall reading a post that in any way faults Palestine.
I could care less who started what and when, but it's time for both sides to forget about the past and start over. Sit them in a fuckin room at gunpoint and don't let them out until a peace is negotiated. (Ok, so at gunpoint is a bit hypocritical, but you get the idea). It's time to put religion and politics aside and think about humanity. I know that seems like common sense but it seems to me that nobody has any.
Btw,I told you Byrnzie is a machine and no one can post more links then him.So why try and add to the redundancy .
The only thing redundant here are your pathetic little jibes.
So Byrnzie please show me an example of a jibe.What is becoming clear is you Pro Palestinian folks don't want to discuss anything that Dosent go lock step with what you believe.Its quite hypocritical actually.Your steadfast in your beliefs I get that but I don't think you have ever admitted ANY fault or wrong doing on the side of Hamas or the Palestinians and just cast all blame on the Israelis and the evil Zionist and the Americans for funding them.As an outsider It's easy to see two sides that both have strong points and both have faults.I don't want either side here saying its not us its them.Both need to man up to imperfections. You seem to be a bright individual,clearly you can tell that for progress to be made both sides need to meet at a middle ground.
I have to agree with you. I am neither pro Israeli or pro Palestinian, I am against the lobbing of bombs by both sides and a ground invasion by isreal. I have been reading Byrnzies post for a couple years now and I have to say, I can't recall reading a post that in any way faults Palestine.
I could care less who started what and when, but it's time for both sides to forget about the past and start over. Sit them in a fuckin room at gunpoint and don't let them out until a peace is negotiated. (Ok, so at gunpoint is a bit hypocritical, but you get the idea). It's time to put religion and politics aside and think about humanity. I know that seems like common sense but it seems to me that nobody has any.
Yeah I agree as well, even though I do have my leanings in this situation. Even if one side is more right than the other, perpetual war isn't getting anyone anywhere.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Btw,I told you Byrnzie is a machine and no one can post more links then him.So why try and add to the redundancy .
The only thing redundant here are your pathetic little jibes.
So Byrnzie please show me an example of a jibe.What is becoming clear is you Pro Palestinian folks don't want to discuss anything that Dosent go lock step with what you believe.Its quite hypocritical actually.Your steadfast in your beliefs I get that but I don't think you have ever admitted ANY fault or wrong doing on the side of Hamas or the Palestinians and just cast all blame on the Israelis and the evil Zionist and the Americans for funding them.As an outsider It's easy to see two sides that both have strong points and both have faults.I don't want either side here saying its not us its them.Both need to man up to imperfections. You seem to be a bright individual,clearly you can tell that for progress to be made both sides need to meet at a middle ground.
I have to agree with you. I am neither pro Israeli or pro Palestinian, I am against the lobbing of bombs by both sides and a ground invasion by isreal. I have been reading Byrnzies post for a couple years now and I have to say, I can't recall reading a post that in any way faults Palestine.
I could care less who started what and when, but it's time for both sides to forget about the past and start over. Sit them in a fuckin room at gunpoint and don't let them out until a peace is negotiated. (Ok, so at gunpoint is a bit hypocritical, but you get the idea). It's time to put religion and politics aside and think about humanity. I know that seems like common sense but it seems to me that nobody has any.
My leanings fluctuate from day to day these days. It's becoming incredibly difficult in my real life to listen to my Jewish parents and siblings who adamantly push a biased opinion formed without logic. This is a major reason I've tried to stick around here. I don't want to convince Palestinians that they aren't enduring hardships. Any human being who claims otherwise is bat shit crazy. Both sides require some empathy in order to move forward, because pointing fingers gets no one anywhere. Great post. And common sense is a term that, at this point, ought to be retired, as it is far from common.
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Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
This is from a quote I posted in the "There is no god" thread and I think it fits here as well:
Attempts by the anthropocentrists to define the unknown, to finite the infinite, have only led and continue to lead to ecological holocaust and the deaths of billions of lives.
All wars have their foundations in the conflicts of anthropocentrism over philosophy, territory, resources and power.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
100,000 people march in protest in London and there's zero mention of it on the BBC.
In other news, the French government have banned pro-Palestine marches across France, and anyone protesting Israel's latest slaughter of Gazans faces up to a year in prison, and a 15,000 euro fine.
So Byrnzie please show me an example of a jibe.What is becoming clear is you Pro Palestinian folks don't want to discuss anything that Dosent go lock step with what you believe.Its quite hypocritical actually.Your steadfast in your beliefs I get that but I don't think you have ever admitted ANY fault or wrong doing on the side of Hamas or the Palestinians and just cast all blame on the Israelis and the evil Zionist and the Americans for funding them.As an outsider It's easy to see two sides that both have strong points and both have faults.I don't want either side here saying its not us its them.Both need to man up to imperfections. You seem to be a bright individual,clearly you can tell that for progress to be made both sides need to meet at a middle ground.
365 dead Gazans - 90% civilians 1 dead israeli - 0% civilians
Yeah, I see what you mean. It's clearly a level playing field, and both sides are as bad as each other. They need to meet in the middle.
I'm just a tad confused, so maybe in your infinite wisdom, and your profound knowledge of this issue, you can help me out? Regarding an illegal occupation and land-grab, how is it possible to 'meet in the middle'? The Palestinians have been reduced to living on just 20% of their homeland. What 'middle ground' should they meet at?
I have been reading Byrnzies post for a couple years now...Sit them in a fuckin room at gunpoint and don't let them out until a peace is negotiated.
You can't have been reading my posts very carefully then. A peace has already been negotiated. It's the peaceful settlement that's been agreed upon by the whole World, and which is rejected by Israel and the U.S.
100,000 people march in protest in London and there's zero mention of it on the BBC.
In other news, the French government have banned pro-Palestine marches across France, and anyone protesting Israel's latest slaughter of Gazans faces up to a year in prison, and a 15,000 euro fine.
i saw this.
nobody can tell me that there is fair and unbiased coverage of this latest spree of organized murder.
nbc pulled an experienced and well known reporter out of gaza because of a few tweets. his safety was cited as the reason. after some blowback they let him back in.
did anybody see that the idf is making journalists and reporters sign waivers absolving the idf of any liability if the journalists are maimed or killed???
that alone tells me that they will be targeting civilian sites.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I could care less who started what and when, but it's time for both sides to forget about the past and start over.
Hi Last-12-Exit, I have some major problems with the sentiment you've expressed here. Before I continue: Are you American? I will assume you are not from Palestine or the Middle East in this post. But I will ask you to try to understand what a Palestinian may think or feel with the sentiment expressed above.
Let us say you are a Palestinian living anywhere in the world: Perhaps you grew up in the West Bank yourself under a brutal occupation. Maybe you have a wife who lives behind the green line (in Israel) that you can never see because Israel does not allow to travel a few miles into their land because of where you were born. Maybe you have a job that takes you hours to get to every day, and to come home every day, because you have to pass through checkpoints. Or you have family that lives behind the illegal wall that Israel built through the West Bank that cuts off villages from each other. And you have to deal with illegal Jewish settlers who come burn your farm just because of the person you were born to be; Perhaps your family lived in what is now Israel during the 1947-1948 ethnic cleansing of the land, when over 750,000 Palestinians were forced from their homes due to the Zionists seeking to create a "Jewish state" - and you now live in a refugee camp because your family was unable to return to their homes. You have relatives who in the 1950s tried to walk back home and were shot dead by Israeli soldiers. Life in a refugee is all you know, and you pray for the day you can go back home; Maybe you are a child in Gaza - your family was also made refugees in 1947-48 and has gone to Gaza, as nearly 75% of the population living in the Strip are. Maybe you have dreams of going to another country for school, because you're a bright student and won a scholarship to go to Harvard. But you can't go because Israel (along with Egypt) has imposed a brutal land, air and sea siege that has essentially trapped you in one of the most densely populated pieces of land in the world, and you are stuck there. And you have to deal with constant bombardment from the air, land and sea by soldiers, and you know Palestinians personally who were shot for walking "too close" to the border, even though it's still within the limit that Israel has technically allowed for you.
Or maybe you even grew up in the West or elsewhere in the world, but have close family relatives dealing with this on a daily basis.
Would you not ask yourself, as a Palestinian, "why is this happening?" Would you not ask, "why did people do this to us?" Any decent history book has documented well what Zionists did to create the state of Israel, by expelling Palestinians, and what they have been doing since to maintain their control over the land, which includes separating large segments of Palestinian communities from the rest. Any decent history book has documented well the conditions the Palestinians have faced, all due to one basic fact: one dominant side, with one of the largest militaries in the world, will not give us rights that are equal to theirs, who will not allow us to simply return to our homes - all because they want a state that is exclusively theirs. All because it is not enough for all of us to have equal rights - they want the land for themselves.
I ask you, when you look at it through the eyes of the Palestinians, is it as simple as "forgetting who started what and when" - especially given that this "when" is still ongoing? Is it simple to just ignore the past given that Palestinians are still subjected to the same injustices they were subjected to in the past? To "start over", would you not agree, through the Palestinian perspective, they would need for the wrongs inflicted on them to be corrected?
Now, take yourself out of the Palestinian perspective. You're just another human being. Do you not see the humanity in these simple demands of the Palestinian people? To just be equal?
(P.S. We cannot compare the "Palestinian narrative" to the "Zionist narrative". We have to remember something: This is not a double-edged sword. This is a conflict with an oppressed, and an oppressor. We can't ignore the power dynamic between the two parties. We know all too well of many conflicts that included an oppressed and an oppressor. Let's drop the bullshit, and finally treat this issue as one, as it well deserves.)
Truly sad sad world we live in. Be safe today people of gaza. And god if you're truly out there, maybe a little help for them........it's been long enough. How much more can they suffer???
So Byrnzie please show me an example of a jibe.What is becoming clear is you Pro Palestinian folks don't want to discuss anything that Dosent go lock step with what you believe.Its quite hypocritical actually.Your steadfast in your beliefs I get that but I don't think you have ever admitted ANY fault or wrong doing on the side of Hamas or the Palestinians and just cast all blame on the Israelis and the evil Zionist and the Americans for funding them.As an outsider It's easy to see two sides that both have strong points and both have faults.I don't want either side here saying its not us its them.Both need to man up to imperfections. You seem to be a bright individual,clearly you can tell that for progress to be made both sides need to meet at a middle ground.
365 dead Gazans - 90% civilians 1 dead israeli - 0% civilians
Yeah, I see what you mean. It's clearly a level playing field, and both sides are as bad as each other. They need to meet in the middle.
I'm just a tad confused, so maybe in your infinite wisdom, and your profound knowledge of this issue, you can help me out? Regarding an illegal occupation and land-grab, how is it possible to 'meet in the middle'? The Palestinians have been reduced to living on just 20% of their homeland. What 'middle ground' should they meet at?
Thanks. I can't wait to hear your answer.
Your in a fist fight that you can't win.The longer Hamas is lobbing Missles at Israel the more innocent people will be caught in the middle.Your adversary has the might to make things very bad for the people of Gaza.If the fighting could stop,then maybe clearer voices could start to communicate.You have decades of issues.But fighting wont get you any closer to peace or resolution to those issues.I don't think anyone on these boards wants to see harm to anyone involved in this.You asked what my answer is ,well I think first the fighting has to stop.It Dosent matter why,that can be worked out when innocent people are out of harms way.
The U.S is on the wrong side of history with it's 100% unconditional support of Israel's race war, just as it was on the wrong side of history with it's support of Apartheid South Africa.
The U.S is on the wrong side of history with it's 100% unconditional support of Israel's race war, just as it was on the wrong side of history with it's support of Apartheid South Africa.
The U.S is on the wrong side of history with it's 100% unconditional support of Israel's race war, just as it was on the wrong side of history with it's support of Apartheid South Africa.
History will judge you accordingly.
You prove my point!
Seriously pal, I have no idea what your 'point' is. And I really couldn't give a fuck. Take your pathetic comments elsewhere. You are not impressing anybody.
To deliberately wage war so your own people are killed is moral insanity, but it rests on a sickly rational premise: Given the way the world treats Israel, along with historical ignorance and reflexive sympathy for the supposed underdog, Palestinian casualties undermine Israel’s legitimacy and right to self-defense. So Hamas’ depravity sort of makes evil sense. All the morons condemn Israel, a state warred upon for 66 years yet goes to extraordinary lengths to AVOID harming the innocents its enemies use as shields.
It’s really to the Israelis’ credit that amid all this madness they don't just bomb the living fuck out of all their neighbors that want to eradicate them.
Seriously though, did you really get all of your 'information' about this massacre from watching Fox news?
Watching this bullshit really is an eye-opener. Propaganda in full effect. And Americans thought that the Soviets had it bad? At least the Russians knew they were being lied to. How many Americans sit blinking in front of their t.v sets swallowing this shit whole? She sounds like some dizzy school girl from Beverly Hills 90210.
"There are several reasons why Americans should care very deeply about this current conflict. And number one because of 9/11. Because Hamas and Al Queda are the same types of Islamic terrorist groups that are theologically motivated with the goal of destroying the West...Hamas is attacking Israel because it sees Israel as the outpost of the West in the Middle East, and it knows that if we abandon Israel, if we allow Israel to be destroyed, then we are next, and it can destroy us."
[Notice how she keeps having to look down at the paper on the desk in front of her. Yet she pretends that she isn't reading this shit from a pre-prepared script. I wonder how long she sat in front of her Barbie mirror at home the night before, rehearsing this gibberish?]
I have been reading Byrnzies post for a couple years now...Sit them in a fuckin room at gunpoint and don't let them out until a peace is negotiated.
You can't have been reading my posts very carefully then. A peace has already been negotiated. It's the peaceful settlement that's been agreed upon by the whole World, and which is rejected by Israel and the U.S.
First of all, wow, you did what most news organizations do taking half of what I said out and editing it to prove your point. I'm aware that there were agreements in the past and most of them were broken by the Israelis. Secondly, what the point of the first paragraph in my post was that I haven't seen you write a post that puts any fault or blame on the Palestinians.
I have been reading Byrnzies post for a couple years now...Sit them in a fuckin room at gunpoint and don't let them out until a peace is negotiated.
You can't have been reading my posts very carefully then. A peace has already been negotiated. It's the peaceful settlement that's been agreed upon by the whole World, and which is rejected by Israel and the U.S.
First of all, wow, you did what most news organizations do taking half of what I said out and editing it to prove your point. I'm aware that there were agreements in the past and most of them were broken by the Israelis. Secondly, what the point of the first paragraph in my post was that I haven't seen you write a post that puts any fault or blame on the Palestinians.
You won't see that.Byrnzie isn't interested in discussing,Or answering what you ask him.He prefers to tell YOU what's up.Its very one sided.It mimics why both these sides are getting nowhere.
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I will say this- one of the reasons I like being involved here on the Pearl Jam forums is because most everyone here has an interest in being compassionate and helpful toward each other. At times like this it's not a bad idea to check in with some of the threads (often found on AET but also here on AMT) in which good people reach out to help each other. Let's keep setting that good example for this ragged world.
You seem to be a bright individual,clearly you can tell that for progress to be made both sides need to meet at a middle ground.
You also did not answer my question about the reason for the ten-year truce. If both sides are hoping for peace, I would hope there's a good reason for why ten years instead of indefinitely. If it's about a refusal to submit to an occupied existence perpetually, I completely agree with that logic.
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
I could care less who started what and when, but it's time for both sides to forget about the past and start over. Sit them in a fuckin room at gunpoint and don't let them out until a peace is negotiated. (Ok, so at gunpoint is a bit hypocritical, but you get the idea). It's time to put religion and politics aside and think about humanity. I know that seems like common sense but it seems to me that nobody has any.
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
Attempts by the anthropocentrists to define the unknown, to finite the infinite, have only led and continue to lead to ecological holocaust and the deaths of billions of lives.
All wars have their foundations in the conflicts of anthropocentrism over philosophy, territory, resources and power.
well done idf, only 20% are kids this time...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
100,000 people march in protest in London and there's zero mention of it on the BBC.
In other news, the French government have banned pro-Palestine marches across France, and anyone protesting Israel's latest slaughter of Gazans faces up to a year in prison, and a 15,000 euro fine.
1 dead israeli - 0% civilians
Yeah, I see what you mean. It's clearly a level playing field, and both sides are as bad as each other. They need to meet in the middle.
I'm just a tad confused, so maybe in your infinite wisdom, and your profound knowledge of this issue, you can help me out? Regarding an illegal occupation and land-grab, how is it possible to 'meet in the middle'? The Palestinians have been reduced to living on just 20% of their homeland. What 'middle ground' should they meet at?
Thanks. I can't wait to hear your answer.
nobody can tell me that there is fair and unbiased coverage of this latest spree of organized murder.
nbc pulled an experienced and well known reporter out of gaza because of a few tweets. his safety was cited as the reason. after some blowback they let him back in.
did anybody see that the idf is making journalists and reporters sign waivers absolving the idf of any liability if the journalists are maimed or killed???
that alone tells me that they will be targeting civilian sites.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I have some major problems with the sentiment you've expressed here. Before I continue: Are you American? I will assume you are not from Palestine or the Middle East in this post. But I will ask you to try to understand what a Palestinian may think or feel with the sentiment expressed above.
Let us say you are a Palestinian living anywhere in the world: Perhaps you grew up in the West Bank yourself under a brutal occupation. Maybe you have a wife who lives behind the green line (in Israel) that you can never see because Israel does not allow to travel a few miles into their land because of where you were born. Maybe you have a job that takes you hours to get to every day, and to come home every day, because you have to pass through checkpoints. Or you have family that lives behind the illegal wall that Israel built through the West Bank that cuts off villages from each other. And you have to deal with illegal Jewish settlers who come burn your farm just because of the person you were born to be; Perhaps your family lived in what is now Israel during the 1947-1948 ethnic cleansing of the land, when over 750,000 Palestinians were forced from their homes due to the Zionists seeking to create a "Jewish state" - and you now live in a refugee camp because your family was unable to return to their homes. You have relatives who in the 1950s tried to walk back home and were shot dead by Israeli soldiers. Life in a refugee is all you know, and you pray for the day you can go back home; Maybe you are a child in Gaza - your family was also made refugees in 1947-48 and has gone to Gaza, as nearly 75% of the population living in the Strip are. Maybe you have dreams of going to another country for school, because you're a bright student and won a scholarship to go to Harvard. But you can't go because Israel (along with Egypt) has imposed a brutal land, air and sea siege that has essentially trapped you in one of the most densely populated pieces of land in the world, and you are stuck there. And you have to deal with constant bombardment from the air, land and sea by soldiers, and you know Palestinians personally who were shot for walking "too close" to the border, even though it's still within the limit that Israel has technically allowed for you.
Or maybe you even grew up in the West or elsewhere in the world, but have close family relatives dealing with this on a daily basis.
Would you not ask yourself, as a Palestinian, "why is this happening?" Would you not ask, "why did people do this to us?" Any decent history book has documented well what Zionists did to create the state of Israel, by expelling Palestinians, and what they have been doing since to maintain their control over the land, which includes separating large segments of Palestinian communities from the rest. Any decent history book has documented well the conditions the Palestinians have faced, all due to one basic fact: one dominant side, with one of the largest militaries in the world, will not give us rights that are equal to theirs, who will not allow us to simply return to our homes - all because they want a state that is exclusively theirs. All because it is not enough for all of us to have equal rights - they want the land for themselves.
I ask you, when you look at it through the eyes of the Palestinians, is it as simple as "forgetting who started what and when" - especially given that this "when" is still ongoing? Is it simple to just ignore the past given that Palestinians are still subjected to the same injustices they were subjected to in the past? To "start over", would you not agree, through the Palestinian perspective, they would need for the wrongs inflicted on them to be corrected?
Now, take yourself out of the Palestinian perspective. You're just another human being. Do you not see the humanity in these simple demands of the Palestinian people? To just be equal?
(P.S. We cannot compare the "Palestinian narrative" to the "Zionist narrative". We have to remember something: This is not a double-edged sword. This is a conflict with an oppressed, and an oppressor. We can't ignore the power dynamic between the two parties. We know all too well of many conflicts that included an oppressed and an oppressor. Let's drop the bullshit, and finally treat this issue as one, as it well deserves.)
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
History will judge you accordingly.
Watching this bullshit really is an eye-opener. Propaganda in full effect. And Americans thought that the Soviets had it bad? At least the Russians knew they were being lied to. How many Americans sit blinking in front of their t.v sets swallowing this shit whole? She sounds like some dizzy school girl from Beverly Hills 90210.
"There are several reasons why Americans should care very deeply about this current conflict. And number one because of 9/11. Because Hamas and Al Queda are the same types of Islamic terrorist groups that are theologically motivated with the goal of destroying the West...Hamas is attacking Israel because it sees Israel as the outpost of the West in the Middle East, and it knows that if we abandon Israel, if we allow Israel to be destroyed, then we are next, and it can destroy us."
[Notice how she keeps having to look down at the paper on the desk in front of her. Yet she pretends that she isn't reading this shit from a pre-prepared script. I wonder how long she sat in front of her Barbie mirror at home the night before, rehearsing this gibberish?]