Bowe Bergdahl

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  • primussucks
    primussucks Posts: 2,365
    edited June 2014
    mrussel1 said:

    Here is an alternate assessment by the NYTimes. The source is the military logs released by Manning. At the end of the day, this cannot be tried in the press, it has to go to a JAG. We do ourselves and our service members a disservice by making our assessments based on one report to the next, as if journalism is unimpeachable by nature.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/04/world/middleeast/can-gi-be-tied-to-6-lost-lives-facts-are-murky.html?_r=0

    If you read my link I posted a few posts above you will find that the military lied to family members about the circumstances of their sons deaths. Only now are they finding out the truth that they were actually on missions to find Bergdahl. So I wouldn't put any faith in those military logs. However, I agree Bergdahl needs to go to trail so that all the truth comes out.
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  • mrussel1
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    I know, that's what I was countering. I don't think the families are lying but we can't understand their mindset nor can we understand if the yahoo reporter was embellishing or using more inflammatory interpretation to generate more traffic, interest, etc.

    So I am reserving judgment personally but at the same time, considering there had been no interview or assessment of the incident, I'm in the camp that we always bring our boys home.
  • hedonist
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    http://news.msn.com/us/idaho-hometown-of-newly-freed-soldier-cancels-planned-celebration

    I sure feel bad for the folks in Hailey. What a mess.

    This part of the article worries me though:

    "The U.S. military has said the circumstances under which Bergdahl disappeared have yet to be fully investigated, although Pentagon officials have indicated Bergdahl is unlikely to face charges regardless of what the Army learns of his capture because he has suffered enough."

    I don't profess to have any clue of what his life in captivity was like, but to not face charges here if he indeed deserted? No repercussions at all for those actions and the lives subsequently lost?

    Will this set a precedent?

  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Maybe he was a spy????
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  • dignin
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    dignin said:
    dignin said:
    Agree and Reinforces my belief that he's no different than any soldier with PTSD. War sucks and this is a byproduct of putting young humans in this position. He didn't go out and slaughter the enemy as did others. He had empathy for the natives.
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  • Staceb10
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    they won't try him because they saved him. It's complete bullshit. Being a parent of a military person, I am all for bringing home our soldiers and not leaving anyone behind. But this guy's "captivity" is in serious question as were his intentions for leaving the base in the first place. And of course Obama initially said they had to move quickly due to health reasons and then it was Oh no, the Taliban said they would kill him. Just like Benghazi.. it was about a movie but then oh no it really wasn't. But of course, Bush can be blamed for everything so just keep ignorning that Obama is flat out doing what he wants, when he wants and blaming everyone else for it. I hope all the people that voted for him got the "change" they wanted because this Country may not survive his "change"
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Staceb10 said:

    they won't try him because they saved him. It's complete bullshit. Being a parent of a military person, I am all for bringing home our soldiers and not leaving anyone behind. But this guy's "captivity" is in serious question as were his intentions for leaving the base in the first place. And of course Obama initially said they had to move quickly due to health reasons and then it was Oh no, the Taliban said they would kill him. Just like Benghazi.. it was about a movie but then oh no it really wasn't. But of course, Bush can be blamed for everything so just keep ignorning that Obama is flat out doing what he wants, when he wants and blaming everyone else for it. I hope all the people that voted for him got the "change" they wanted because this Country may not survive his "change"

    Did you read rolling stone article?
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  • Cliffy6745
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    Staceb10 said:

    they won't try him because they saved him. It's complete bullshit. Being a parent of a military person, I am all for bringing home our soldiers and not leaving anyone behind. But this guy's "captivity" is in serious question as were his intentions for leaving the base in the first place. And of course Obama initially said they had to move quickly due to health reasons and then it was Oh no, the Taliban said they would kill him. Just like Benghazi.. it was about a movie but then oh no it really wasn't. But of course, Bush can be blamed for everything so just keep ignorning that Obama is flat out doing what he wants, when he wants and blaming everyone else for it. I hope all the people that voted for him got the "change" they wanted because this Country may not survive his "change"

    Yeah, you know, America may not be a country anymore after Obama. Are we going to be Canada? Mexico? Maybe Jamaica. I would like to be Jamaican.

  • mrussel1
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    I'd rather the US look more like Canada than more like Texas.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Question: When the War in Afghanistan 'ends'... don't we have to release all of the 'Prisoners Of War' in our captivity?
    Does that mean those guys being held at Camp Delta have to be released... including that Sheik Mohammad Belushi-Lokalike?
    I mean, the call is to hold them in military tribunals, not U.S. Courts... which defines them as Prisoners Of War, right?
    ...
    So, in order to keep them as P.O.W. in Cuba forever... doesn't that mean the War in Afghanistan has to go on... forever?
    Someone should ask Sen. McCain about that.
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  • badbrains
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    Awesome points Cosmo, always love reading your posts. Critical thinker you are
  • Jason P
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    Yeah, you know, America may not be a country anymore after Obama. Are we going to be Canada? Mexico? Maybe Jamaica. I would like to be Jamaican.

    I vote for the nationality that gets laid the most. Jamaica isn't too bad but I'm not sure I would be down with dreadlock hygiene for more than a few weeks. Is Italy too far away for consideration?

    Or how about Australia? Learning the accent and how to throw a boomerang can't take more than a few months to master.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Cosmo said:

    Question: When the War in Afghanistan 'ends'... don't we have to release all of the 'Prisoners Of War' in our captivity?
    Does that mean those guys being held at Camp Delta have to be released... including that Sheik Mohammad Belushi-Lokalike?
    I mean, the call is to hold them in military tribunals, not U.S. Courts... which defines them as Prisoners Of War, right?
    ...
    So, in order to keep them as P.O.W. in Cuba forever... doesn't that mean the War in Afghanistan has to go on... forever?
    Someone should ask Sen. McCain about that.

    This is a difficult question to wrestle. Technically, yes, you have to release all POWs once hostilities end. It's a basic tenant of the Geneva Convention. The problem is that the Taliban is not a nation and we are not at war with Afghanistan. Under normal rules of war, yes. But my guess is that the US would actually have no intention of releasing the most dangerous of these men, particularly considering that the Taliban now has zero American prisoners.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    edited June 2014
    mrussel1 said:

    Cosmo said:

    Question: When the War in Afghanistan 'ends'... don't we have to release all of the 'Prisoners Of War' in our captivity?
    Does that mean those guys being held at Camp Delta have to be released... including that Sheik Mohammad Belushi-Lokalike?
    I mean, the call is to hold them in military tribunals, not U.S. Courts... which defines them as Prisoners Of War, right?
    ...
    So, in order to keep them as P.O.W. in Cuba forever... doesn't that mean the War in Afghanistan has to go on... forever?
    Someone should ask Sen. McCain about that.

    This is a difficult question to wrestle. Technically, yes, you have to release all POWs once hostilities end. It's a basic tenant of the Geneva Convention. The problem is that the Taliban is not a nation and we are not at war with Afghanistan. Under normal rules of war, yes. But my guess is that the US would actually have no intention of releasing the most dangerous of these men, particularly considering that the Taliban now has zero American prisoners.
    ...
    The problem is... if we do not consider them Prisoners of War... then, why are they being held in a Prisoner Of War camp? Shouldn't they have to be tried in our court system in order for them to be convicted and imprisoned in our correctional systems?
    If the answer is yes... then we have already denied them a speedy trial by holding them, imprisoned, for upwards to 13 years.
    ...
    That was the point I was making back in 2003 when I said we needed to send them through our criminal courts system. So, we can find them guilty and ship them off to Pelican Bay. But, the pro-War folks were too afraid of having them on our soil. My point was, some of the people we are already holding in our prisons... murdered and ate people. To me.. you have to be pretty damn scary... to be scarier than a murderous cannibal that once roamed our streets.
    ..
    The bottom line is... We Are America. We are not Putin's Russia... we are not China... we are not the Taliban. If we allow our fears to make us more like Russia and less like America... who really won the War on Terror?
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    Does anyone here have an actual problem with caging these people forever without ever charging them with a crime or giving them a trial?
  • Cosmo
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    Staceb10 said:

    they won't try him because they saved him. It's complete bullshit. Being a parent of a military person, I am all for bringing home our soldiers and not leaving anyone behind. But this guy's "captivity" is in serious question as were his intentions for leaving the base in the first place. And of course Obama initially said they had to move quickly due to health reasons and then it was Oh no, the Taliban said they would kill him. Just like Benghazi.. it was about a movie but then oh no it really wasn't. But of course, Bush can be blamed for everything so just keep ignorning that Obama is flat out doing what he wants, when he wants and blaming everyone else for it. I hope all the people that voted for him got the "change" they wanted because this Country may not survive his "change"

    ...
    First off... thank your son for his service to our country... and thank you for being one the few Americans that actually carry the burden for our politically fueled wars.
    ...
    Now, If you believe this:
    "... this guy's "captivity" is in serious question as were his intentions for leaving the base in the first place."
    Don't you think it might be a good idea to get the answers to these serious questions?

    You have a son serving in Afghanistan... how would you feel if he were being held accountable for actions that have not been fully verified? How would you feel is he was villified in the media and the by public that believes the media... before he even has a chance to present his side?
    Pretty pissed, I'm guessing. And rightfully so.
    I'm not saying Berdahl is not a deserter or traitor or anything because the truth is... I don't know. Let the facts come to surface and we can form our opinions at that time.
    ...
    The rest of your points sound to me like the requesite political partisan rhetoric that I can hear on FOX News... it can almost be taken, verbatium, from Sean Hannity's teleprompter.

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Cosmo said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Cosmo said:

    Question: When the War in Afghanistan 'ends'... don't we have to release all of the 'Prisoners Of War' in our captivity?
    Does that mean those guys being held at Camp Delta have to be released... including that Sheik Mohammad Belushi-Lokalike?
    I mean, the call is to hold them in military tribunals, not U.S. Courts... which defines them as Prisoners Of War, right?
    ...
    So, in order to keep them as P.O.W. in Cuba forever... doesn't that mean the War in Afghanistan has to go on... forever?
    Someone should ask Sen. McCain about that.

    This is a difficult question to wrestle. Technically, yes, you have to release all POWs once hostilities end. It's a basic tenant of the Geneva Convention. The problem is that the Taliban is not a nation and we are not at war with Afghanistan. Under normal rules of war, yes. But my guess is that the US would actually have no intention of releasing the most dangerous of these men, particularly considering that the Taliban now has zero American prisoners.
    ...

    ..
    The bottom line is... We Are America. We are not Putin's Russia... we are not China... we are not the Taliban. If we allow our fears to make us more like Russia and less like America... who really won the War on Terror?
    I'm pointing out the legal ramifications and technicalities, not the moral ones. I generally agree with you.
  • primussucks
    primussucks Posts: 2,365
    @cosmo the media is getting their information from Bergdalhs fellow soldiers. How would staceb 10 feel if his/her son was one of the 6 that died looking for him?
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