Bowe Bergdahl

gimmesometruth27

Gern Blansten said:

If Obama hadn't agreed to the swap the GOP would be bitching about "Obama doesn't support our troops!! HE LEAVES MEN BEHIND!!!!"

Let's say he's a deserter....maybe we got the guy back to prosecute him.

Most of what I've heard from the GOP so far is laughable....remember Iran/Contra?? The GOP...negotiating with terrorists is only ok when they are in the white house.

yep, if he left him there to rot the gop would have said he leaves "heroes" behind.

just last month mccain was saying "bring him home at all costs," and now they got him home and he is now offended.

it must be nice to be a republican in congress. you don't have to draft legislation, only allow votes on things you will win, and you smear the president for every single fucking thing he does.

i can't wait for the gop to take over, because then they would see what it is like to actually have to lead and govern.

gimmesometruth27

the soldier in question would have never even been to afghanistan had we actually finished the job there in 2006 and not detoured into iraq, but that is an entirely different discussion.

mattsl1983

Let's get to the real issue. Who cares who the president is.

A) is it okay to bypass congress and make a deal with a terrorist organization?

is it okay to make that deal in order to get a supposed deserter back in trade for more than one name that the opposition wants back?

C). Was this the correct move?

D) do you think we've opened the door to no longer considering the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay as terrorist and now as prisoners of war and it's okay to exchange them for our own POWs?

E) should we get rid of labeling groups as terrorist and consider them as a real military?

Put aside your political affiliations aside. Stop defending everything Obama does. Go back and answer the questions if it was Bush as president. Hypocracy, even though most won't admit it, you'll know it on the inside.

Staceb10

Interested to see what the people supporting Berghdal's release for the terrorists (without any consultation or notification to Congress) think about his father:

his tweet:

Three days before Bowe's rescue, Bob tweeted:

"I am still working to free all Guantanamo prisoners. God will repay for the death of every Afghan child, ameen."

unsung

I just read that he left a note before walking off base that he renounced his US Citizenship.

Can anyone verify?

Cliffy6745

I think I have settled on that if you wear the uniform, you get brought home. If you need to be tried for whatever it may be that you have done, then that should be done, but you should at all costs be brought home. That is the least of what we can promise people who volunteer to fight for the country.

unsung

http://www.google.com/gwt/x?u=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2647397/Revealed-Bowe-Bergdahl-left-note-comrades-telling-leaving-start-new-life-Army-general-says-faces-desertion-charges.html&ei=ZTWPU5T8MKH9sgegqIDACw&wsc=yh

callen

Cliffy6745 said:

I think I have settled on that if you wear the uniform, you get brought home. If you need to be tried for whatever it may be that you have done, then that should be done, but you should at all costs be brought home. That is the least of what we can promise people who volunteer to fight for the country.

Agree Cliff. And surely people can give one slack after being in combat. PTSD.

Cliffy6745

unsung said:

http://www.google.com/gwt/x?u=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2647397/Revealed-Bowe-Bergdahl-left-note-comrades-telling-leaving-start-new-life-Army-general-says-faces-desertion-charges.html&ei=ZTWPU5T8MKH9sgegqIDACw&wsc=yh

That is fine. And he should be charged if it is determined that he deserted. But our country sent him over there and our country has to bring him home.

gimmesometruth27

mattsl1983 said:

Let's get to the real issue. Who cares who the president is.

A) is it okay to bypass congress and make a deal with a terrorist organization?

is it okay to make that deal in order to get a supposed deserter back in trade for more than one name that the opposition wants back?

C). Was this the correct move?

D) do you think we've opened the door to no longer considering the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay as terrorist and now as prisoners of war and it's okay to exchange them for our own POWs?

E) should we get rid of labeling groups as terrorist and consider them as a real military?

Put aside your political affiliations aside. Stop defending everything Obama does. Go back and answer the questions if it was Bush as president. Hypocracy, even though most won't admit it, you'll know it on the inside.

A FORMER BUSH ADVISOR TODAY JUST SAID GWB WOULD HAVE MADE THE EXACT SAME DEAL.

this is politics at it's worst.

it is a fucking joke.

all of this outrage is a joke.

has there been anything since 2008 that has not outraged republicans??

gimmesometruth27

Cliffy6745 said:

unsung said:

http://www.google.com/gwt/x?u=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2647397/Revealed-Bowe-Bergdahl-left-note-comrades-telling-leaving-start-new-life-Army-general-says-faces-desertion-charges.html&ei=ZTWPU5T8MKH9sgegqIDACw&wsc=yh

That is fine. And he should be charged if it is determined that he deserted. But our country sent him over there and our country has to bring him home.

totally agree.

you send him there, you bring him back.

then you can try him or so whatever you need to do. do not leave any soldier in the hands of the enemy. ever.

hedonist

Is it OK if I have just a bit of concern and desire for more information on this - simply as a human being, vs party-branding?

Even my state's democratic senator is questioning this. Pretty fucking sad if this comes down to affiliation, whether by politicians or by us, the people.

(and I'm not even a Republican)

gimmesometruth27

the penalty for desertion, at times has been death.

i hope they seek the death penalty. maybe then we will have to reconsider it's use in all cases.

gimmesometruth27

hedonist said:

Is it OK if I have just a bit of concern and desire for more information on this - simply as a human being, vs party-branding?

Even my state's democratic senator is questioning this. Pretty fucking sad if this comes down to affiliation, whether by politicians or by us, the people.

(and I'm not even a Republican)

don't you get it?

the gop has nothing on benghazi. they want obama impeached so bad they can taste it. this is their next fixation.

mccain sald just last month "bring him home at all costs".

well he is home, and now mccain is waffling.


this is just another political theater.

this is the same shit that happened to carter, only this time the democrat got the hostage home, and that is just simply galling for the gop.

unsung

Impeachment? Get serious. That changes nothing.

bootlegger10

The opinions that I think matter in this case are the opinions of those that served in the military with Berghdal and had to search for him, and those that had to search for the five Taliban that were traded. People likely died during both of these missions.

Still a lot to learn, but it seems premeditated that Berghdal left the base based on some of the comments from his unit. I can't imagine to put myself in his shoes, but there had to have been a better way to leave the military than to walk off knowing that your fellow military will now have to risk their lives trying to find you, or worse getting caught like he did and putting your family through a lot of pain.

primussucks

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hero-died-looking-bergdahl-094500871--politics.html
This should bring you to tears and make you angry at the same time. If it doesn't your not human.

mrussel1

Here is an alternate assessment by the NYTimes. The source is the military logs released by Manning. At the end of the day, this cannot be tried in the press, it has to go to a JAG. We do ourselves and our service members a disservice by making our assessments based on one report to the next, as if journalism is unimpeachable by nature.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/04/world/middleeast/can-gi-be-tied-to-6-lost-lives-facts-are-murky.html?_r=0

Staceb10

A FORMER BUSH ADVISOR TODAY JUST SAID GWB WOULD HAVE MADE THE EXACT SAME DEAL.

this is politics at it's worst.

it is a fucking joke.

all of this outrage is a joke.

has there been anything since 2008 that has not outraged republicans??

was there anything from 2000-2008 that did not outrage the democrats? has there been anything done by Obama since 2008 that the Dems haven't said "Well Bush..." works both ways

JimmyV

Staceb10 said:

A FORMER BUSH ADVISOR TODAY JUST SAID GWB WOULD HAVE MADE THE EXACT SAME DEAL.

this is politics at it's worst.

it is a fucking joke.

all of this outrage is a joke.

has there been anything since 2008 that has not outraged republicans??

was there anything from 2000-2008 that did not outrage the democrats? has there been anything done by Obama since 2008 that the Dems haven't said "Well Bush..." works both ways



The entire country rallied behind Bush after 9/11. Congress supported his nonsensical invasion of Iraq. Claiming Democrats never supported Bush is untrue. Obama has seen nothing like that kind of support. All outrage, all the time.