Lottery or No Lottery

backseatLover12 said:

pjsteelerfan said:

backseatLover12 said:

pjsteelerfan said:

backseatLover12 said:

breath123 said:

I think we should go back to one show per tour per member. They can lottery until their hearts content with whatever tickets are leftover.

Agreed. Everyone wins at least that one show.

They are never going to guarantee everyone a ticket to a show.

Not guarantee…. limit.

OK, they are never going to able to make it so everyone wins at least one show.

How 'bout one show or no show, that's what I'm saying, rather than multiple wins by one guy and no shows won by another guy. It's fair.

The system was as fair as they could make it. Many people won on their fist choice, others in high demand cities did not unfortunately. And yes, Hartford and Worcester were high demand simialr to NY or Seattle. But it seems you think people not in high demand areas should be punished for this, or held accountable. Or you are just trolling on here now.

backseatLover12 said:

PJ_Soul said:

backseatLover12 said:

pjsteelerfan said:

backseatLover12 said:

pjsteelerfan said:

backseatLover12 said:

breath123 said:

I think we should go back to one show per tour per member. They can lottery until their hearts content with whatever tickets are leftover.

Agreed. Everyone wins at least that one show.

They are never going to guarantee everyone a ticket to a show.

Not guarantee…. limit.

OK, they are never going to able to make it so everyone wins at least one show.

How 'bout one show or no show, that's what I'm saying, rather than multiple wins by one guy and no shows won by another guy. It's fair.

You'd end up.with the same result though. A bunch of people shut out of high demand shows, and then a bunch of people going to several shows when they enter for the hypothetical second lottery of left over tickets for the lower demand shows.

You clearly weren't around when they had a limit...

I wasn't, but I'm not sure how that would impact the fact that there are less 10C tickets than people who want them for high demand shows....

now now you two....

backseatLover12 said:

pjsteelerfan said:

backseatLover12 said:

pjsteelerfan said:

backseatLover12 said:

pjsteelerfan said:

backseatLover12 said:

breath123 said:

I think we should go back to one show per tour per member. They can lottery until their hearts content with whatever tickets are leftover.

Agreed. Everyone wins at least that one show.

They are never going to guarantee everyone a ticket to a show.

Not guarantee…. limit.

OK, they are never going to able to make it so everyone wins at least one show.

How 'bout one show or no show, that's what I'm saying, rather than multiple wins by one guy and no shows won by another guy. It's fair.

The system was as fair as they could make it. Many people won on their fist choice, others in high demand cities did not unfortunately. And yes, Hartford and Worcester were high demand simialr to NY or Seattle. But it seems you think people not in high demand areas should be punished for this, or held accountable. Or you are just trolling on here now.

You just don't get it. Even though several people mentioned it is not fair that some people get shutout asking for a couple of shows when others win multiple, you won't see that point.

Actually you don't get it. And I have seen the point, you refuse to see the other side.I'm not sure you understand supply and demand. Or you refuse to, or are just trolling like I mentioned. For someone that put in for multiple shows like NYC, Hartford, and Worcester and did not get any, it is not surprising, and it is unfortunate those people got shut out on their first choice and remaing in those areas. All were very high demand, and they did not have the supply to get seats for everyone. But you think it is unfair that someone put in for Charlottesville and Charlotte with much lower demand and got both. Or those that went for Calgary and Vancouver. Or Spokane and Portland. It is obviously the people that went for lower demand cities fault that they won when those in high demand areas did not, even with 10c limiting certain cities to only winning one night. If my choices had all been NYC, Hartford, and Philly and I lost, I would have been upset, but I would have understood. Same as I would have understood that a person requesting Texas and Oklahoma with smaller fans bases got both.

I guess you have missed all the people that felt it was really fair not having to sit at a computer all day. I should say I never missed out in the F5 days, and I'm OK the lottery, and I have missed on shows.I've rad more people say the lottery is fair than those who have not. No system is going to be perfectly fair to everyone.

I was around in 1998 when they played 50+ shows and it was one per person. AND Ticketmaster did not have the cap on tickets that they do now. I'd be curious to see how you felt if it was one per show and you still lost the lottery, what argument would you make then that the system was not fair. Or fair for you to get seats I guess.

PJ_Soul said:

derbydave said:

I liked the GA option...but would like to see the WHOLE FLOOR GA!!
It doesn't make any sense to me to stick people in seats behind the GA sections.

I agree! Any why were any 10C tix floor seats? Those were the worst seats in the whole place.

I had floor tickets-NOT GA to Portland and Vancouver, I could see just fine (and I'm really short). What difference does it make if I had floor seats with or without GA? I'm still sitting in the same seats, I just get more 'openings' between people with GA on half the floor. Security wasn't very strict with people moving around in their seats on the floor either, some people pushed their way to the 'rail' for the seats on the floor, and when everybody around them complained, security just let them go into GA...so is *that* fair?

I had seats on the side in Seattle, and my pics from the floor seats were better then the ones up on the side.
Having seats and winning 1st row lottery was really great, you didn't have people pushing their way to the front, you had room to dance around, nobody rubbing up against your backside, kinda relaxing, so maybe that's why some people weren't excited when they had seated front rows.

I don't think you can go back to F5. The last time they used it, it completely brought down the website (2011 Canada Tour). That was only for the Canada tour, not even something huge like a northeast tour. There was a reason the 10c stopped doing it.

I don't think the "I'll enter, and if I get 'em I'll go" has much of an impact. People are using their primary choice to choose the one they do want to go. The problem were discussing is that some of the shows are in such high demand they sell out in the first set of choices, so any extra choices are a moot point. Changing the ticketing system won't change much because people who chose that as a 3rd or 4th preferences aren't getting tickets to those shows anyways.

I think the preference system works pretty good because it allocates tickets to any given show to the people who said, that's the show I wanted to go to. It only starts to give out extra tickets when the people who flagged it "as their show" got allocated first. It's not moving to later rounds unless there's tickets left over. This means if hartford/brooklyn/philly all sold out in round 1/2 then it's completely different fans at each show.

The only real things that mess this up are splitting each show into two lotteries. It means you have to enter the lotto twice for the show you want to go to. You miss out on GA tickets, someone who split their first two prefs has equal shot at reserved as you do. I mentioned it before but they should probably consolidate to one lottery to prevent it from happening. Secondly the split the tour up. This means east coast people could get their tickets and shoot for seattle as #1 as well, and vice versa. I think it'd be better if they treated it all as one big tour so you didn't get an extra #1 pref.

I think the soul of the lottery system works. You can't have two #1 pref's, so for high demand shows, it's different people getting the tickets. If the show isn't as high demand, then there's leftover tickets and it fills using peoples other preferences. The problem is that people are pissed because they got shut out of shows when they rate it #1/#2. Nothing you can do about that. Not enough tickets when they aren't selling past 2nd pref.

rgambs said:

personally, i don't get the hype with hometown shows. myriad threads and comments all over the site, many of them straight up whining "why do you hate such and such place?" annoying. I get that we go to the shows that are closest for convenience but i don't understand it beyond that. I enjoy travelling for shows, it really ups the ante and makes it more than just a concert. Camping on the beach between shows, backpacking after shows, visiting new cities. Much more romantic and grand and makes for better memories.

Agree. Still use pj as excuse to see new places though can understand many don't have that option.

Big fan of the lottery. Great system, fair chance for all. Sorry to those that are 0-lifetime. I can understand the frustrations.