Jesus and Eddie: someone has to say it

Staysea I might have had an out of body experience with that song too!!! At an underground rave in London in 1996, after a tab . . . No just joking. That wasn't an our of body experience, just a mind f*ck! (And I have no idea what song was playing at the time) . . .

That song by Tori Amos is amazing though . . . FULL ON. But amazing. I can see why you had a strange experience . . .

Back to out of body experiences though, Southhampton University is doing a study at the moment, in various hospitals around the world . . . it's called AWARE (AWAreness during REsuscitation) . . . so hopefully they will be able to prove that the concsiousness is something separate from the body. I'm not sure exactly what good that would do for humanity, but at the least it might console people who have had loved ones who have died?

oceaninmyeyes wrote:

As far as Jesus and Eddie though, have you heard about the then 8 year old art prodigy Akiane Kramarik, who told her then atheist mother that she was getting visions from God. She painted a picture that she calls the Prince of Peace. When the boy, whose OOB experience led him to say heaven is real looked at paintings of Jesus, he said none of them were right. And then one day, he saw Akiane's painting. His eyes got big, and his dad asked him what was wrong with this one, and he whispered "Nothing".

Is everyone else thinking what I'm thinking????
That if this Akiane prodigy is right, then Jesus was actually a complete MEGABABE!!!!!! Jesus, Jesus!!! Looking good there!!! I can see you wouldn't have had much problem converting the LADIES!!!

I think Jesus was most likely a pretty spectacular person, with some ground-breaking and truly wonderful ideas. But I think the powers that be no doubt exploited his name and teachings, and interwove his ideas with ideas of their own, i.e. for instruments of control such as 'the only way to god or salvation is through Jesus', i.e. anyone who isn't Christian is going to burn in hell. Which is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion. If there is a consciousness of our overarching existence, then I don't think it would give a SHIT what particular set of teachings you follow, or if you're an atheist, as long as you have love in your heart and treat your fellow humans with love and compassion.

I think for any religious person, it's important to question some of the more illogical aspects of their religion, and understand that there is a very human element to human religions! So they can't possibly be perfect! So it's worth taking everything, apart from the most truly beautiful and luminous of ideas, with a decent grain of salt.

I see the fact of existence as being rooted in something vast, infinite and complete. But because we live on a finite planet, and have a finite life span, it's difficult for humans to comprehend something that transcends time and space. It's hard to comprehend infinity, or why an infinite source of love and possibilities would exist in the first place. It's weird.

So anyway I see human religions as various attempts to describe the indescribable. They're like big rafts sitting on the top of an infinite ocean. By grabbing on to these rafts, you might be better able to feel the ocean underneath you, because the raft is something you can understand, it's physical and tangible, and is heading in a specific direction. But in relation to the greatness and mystery of existence, the raft is limited and inflexible. It's man-made, not organic, so it doesn't grow and change with the infinite ocean, it stays the same.

So while I think religion can be a BEAUTIFUL way to engage with existence, for those people who feel safest on the raft, I do think that it should be questioned. Everything should be questioned.

That's not to say people shouldn't believe in the power and beauty of Jesus, Mohammed or Buddha for example, or that they shouldn't feel a special connection with these men and their teachings, just that they should understand that each of these spiritual guides was preaching within the confines of his era, his beliefs, and through the prism of his particular understanding. And not only that, that the original ideas of these great men have no doubt been corrupted and misrepresented along the way too . . .

Whoops, shit. Sorry for the rant!! I'm not even sure I've added ANYTHING at all to the discussion!
But at least we all now know the Jesus was HOT!!! Thanks Ocean!

Jammalambo said:

MEGATRON" said:

Eddie Vedder is perfect in his imperfection

Anyway, I don't believe in God or Jesus or Budda or whatever, and I couldn't care less about the religious inclination of Eddie and the band


Buddha was a real person? A historical figure? What do you mean you don't believe in him?

religious? No. spiritual? Yes
Christian? HELL NO! if you think eddie could be christian you have not been listening.

Im a hater.
Jesus wasn't white and the Bible is a blasphemy by it's own standard. Your good works and good life won't get you into Heaven, only submission to the will of The Church. Sounds like a bad line from a used car salesman.
Hatin done.

Ed has a religion of his own, he said it at a show... The only rule, don't be an asshole. Otherwise you can pretty much do whatever the fuck you want. He's pretty critical of religion in the Lightning Bolt album.

silentJ said:

dmittleider said:

Ed has a religion of his own, he said it at a show... The only rule, don't be an asshole. Otherwise you can pretty much do whatever the fuck you want. He's pretty critical of religion in the Lightning Bolt album.

Haha, that was Columbus 2010
\m/

05/06/2010. It was that years national day of prayer and Ed pontificated a bit about it.

Uh oh.....I AM a big scary atheist.......beware the wrath of my........ER.....Uh...... ukulele and puppy!!!!!( wish I was joking, but it was the one thing I could say to a neighbor who felt my life as her call of duty to change reality.) If I believe in myself, that's faith enough...I believe in music so I am double...Uh....blessed.