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The Juggler · December 2013

i love listening to gruden flip out over bad calls like that.

The Waiting Trophy Man · December 2013

What movie did Bellichick take the team to, anyone know?

I wonder if/how that will have an affect on their game against the Ravens?

Jason P · December 2013

Wow. The steelers field goal block / ref shenanigans pretty much sums up the umpiring this year ... And I hate the steelers!

With Dan Dierdorh exiting the booth, I think he is now a strong candidate to become the head of NFL umpires next year. :geek:

Jason P · December 2013

The fact that we have replay and the decisions that refs have made are making me feel like Walter Sobchak when Smokey stepped over the line. :fp:

Cliffy6745 · December 2013

SVRDhand13 · December 2013

Does anyone else find it crazy that Dallas will be playing for a winner takes all division title for the third year in a row, and each year it was against a different rival!?!?

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/ ... -in-finale

The Juggler · December 2013

SVRDhand13 wrote:

Does anyone else find it crazy that Dallas will be playing for a winner takes all division title for the third year in a row, and each year it was against a different rival!?!?

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/ ... -in-finale

it's actually their 4th time in 6 years in a winner take all game......the eagles beat them in the final game of the '08 season to win a wildcard spot.

the fact that they have so much experience in these types of games is the only thing that has me a little nervous.

SVRDhand13 · December 2013

The Juggler wrote:

SVRDhand13 wrote:

Does anyone else find it crazy that Dallas will be playing for a winner takes all division title for the third year in a row, and each year it was against a different rival!?!?

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/ ... -in-finale

it's actually their 4th time in 6 years in a winner take all game......the eagles beat them in the final game of the '08 season to win a wildcard spot.

the fact that they have so much experience in these types of games is the only thing that has me a little nervous.

If I were an Eagles fan I would be a little nervous over the fact that Dallas is at home. But I just don't see the Dallas D stopping Eagles offense. Foles is going to have a massive game.

Now that the Giants are out (and have been for weeks) and my final season is over, I can finally enjoy all the games without rooting for anyone. It makes for some pleasurable viewing

Ledbetterman10 · December 2013

Here's the playoff scenarios:

AFC

CLINCHED:

Denver -- AFC West and a first-round bye
New England -- AFC East
Indianapolis -- AFC South
Cincinnati -- AFC North
Kansas City -- playoff spot

DENVER BRONCOS

Denver clinches home-field advantage throughout AFC playoffs with:

1) DEN win OR
2) NE loss

NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS

New England clinches a first-round bye with:

1) NE win OR
2) CIN loss + IND loss

New England clinches home-field advantage throughout AFC playoffs with:

1) NE win + DEN loss

CINCINNATI BENGALS

Cincinnati clinches first-round bye with:

1) CIN win + NE loss

INDIANAPOLIS COLTS

Indianapolis clinches first-round bye with:

1) IND win + NE loss + CIN loss

BALTIMORE RAVENS

Baltimore clinches a playoff spot with:

1) BAL win + SD loss OR
2) BAL win + MIA loss OR
3) PIT loss + SD loss + MIA loss

MIAMI DOLPHINS

Miami clinches a playoff spot with:

1) MIA win + BAL loss OR
2) MIA win + SD win

PITTSBURGH STEELERS

Pittsburgh clinches a playoff spot with:

1) PIT win + BAL loss + MIA loss + SD loss

SAN DIEGO CHARGERS

San Diego clinches a playoff spot with:

1) SD win + BAL loss + MIA loss

NFC

CLINCHED:

Seattle -- playoff spot
Carolina -- playoff spot

SEATTLE SEAHAWKS

Seattle clinches NFC West and home-field advantage throughout NFC playoffs with:

1) SEA win OR
2) SF loss (Week 16) OR
3) SF loss (Week 17)

NEW ORLEANS SAINTS

New Orleans clinches a playoff spot with:

1) NO win OR
2) SF loss (Week 16) + SF loss (Week 17) OR
3) ARI loss

New Orleans clinches NFC South and a first-round bye with:

1) NO win + CAR loss

CAROLINA PANTHERS

Carolina clinches NFC South and first-round bye with:

1) CAR win OR
2) NO loss

Carolina clinches NFC South and home-field advantage with:

1) CAR win + SEA loss + SF win (Week 16) + SF win (Week 17)

SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS

San Francisco clinches a playoff spot with:

1) SF win (Week 16) OR
2) SF win (Week 17)

San Francisco clinches NFC West and first-round bye with:

1) SF win (Week 16) + SF win (Week 17) + SEA loss

San Francisco clinches NFC West and home-field advantage with:

1) SF win (Week 16) + SF win (Week 17) + SEA loss + CAR loss

ARIZONA CARDINALS

Arizona clinches a playoff spot with:

1) ARI win + SF loss (Week 16) OR
2) ARI win + NO loss

PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

Philadelphia clinches NFC East with:

1) PHI win/tie

DALLAS COWBOYS

Dallas clinches NFC East with:

1) DAL win

CHICAGO BEARS

Chicago clinches NFC North with:

1) CHI win/tie

GREEN BAY PACKERS

Green Bay clinches NFC North with:

1) GB win

SVRDhand13 · December 2013

What do you think the ratings would be for a Panthers/Bengals Super Bowl in the snow?

FrankieG · December 2013

SVRDhand13 wrote:

What do you think the ratings would be for a Panthers/Bengals Super Bowl in the snow?

It's the superbowl, so still relatively good... But I would have to get into alot of box-pools in order to keep me interested.

FrankieG · December 2013

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Here's the playoff scenarios:

AFC

BALTIMORE RAVENS

Baltimore clinches a playoff spot with:

1) BAL win + SD loss OR
2) BAL win + MIA loss OR
3) PIT loss + SD loss + MIA loss

MIAMI DOLPHINS

Miami clinches a playoff spot with:

1) MIA win + BAL loss OR
2) MIA win + SD win

PITTSBURGH STEELERS

Pittsburgh clinches a playoff spot with:

1) PIT win + BAL loss + MIA loss + SD loss

SAN DIEGO CHARGERS

San Diego clinches a playoff spot with:

1) SD win + BAL loss + MIA loss

The fact that the final AFC Wild Card cannot be clinched by a team without help is boggleing my mind... How is that possible? Surely there is a scenario that isn't covered... What happens if everyone wins/everyone loses?

JK_Livin · December 2013

Got this from Peter King,

For a moment, let’s say in Week 17 we have the following four results: Jets over Miami, Cincinnati (which has but a vague hope of getting a bye) beats Baltimore, Kansas City over San Diego, and Pittsburgh over Cleveland. That would create this logjam for the sixth seed:

Team Record
Pittsburgh 8-8
New York Jets 8-8
San Diego 8-8
Miami 8-8
Baltimore 8-8
In a five-way playoff tie, you first break ties within divisions. The Jets would eliminate Miami by virtue of a better division record (3-3 to 2-4). Pittsburgh eliminates Baltimore by having a better division record (4-2 to 3-3). That narrows it to Pittsburgh, San Diego and the Jets.

We go to conference-games tiebreaker. Pittsburgh would be 6-6. San Diego and the Jets would be 5-7. That’s it. And Pittsburgh would make it … after being 2-6 at the midway point, losing to Minnesota in London and Oakland in the Black Hole, and giving up 55 points to the wounded Patriots. Crazy league.

FrankieG · December 2013

JK_Livin wrote:

Got this from Peter King,

For a moment, let’s say in Week 17 we have the following four results: Jets over Miami, Cincinnati (which has but a vague hope of getting a bye) beats Baltimore, Kansas City over San Diego, and Pittsburgh over Cleveland. That would create this logjam for the sixth seed:

Team Record
Pittsburgh 8-8
New York Jets 8-8
San Diego 8-8
Miami 8-8
Baltimore 8-8
In a five-way playoff tie, you first break ties within divisions. The Jets would eliminate Miami by virtue of a better division record (3-3 to 2-4). Pittsburgh eliminates Baltimore by having a better division record (4-2 to 3-3). That narrows it to Pittsburgh, San Diego and the Jets.

We go to conference-games tiebreaker. Pittsburgh would be 6-6. San Diego and the Jets would be 5-7. That’s it. And Pittsburgh would make it … after being 2-6 at the midway point, losing to Minnesota in London and Oakland in the Black Hole, and giving up 55 points to the wounded Patriots. Crazy league.

:fp: At least its keeping it interesting up to the very last moment.

SVRDhand13 · December 2013

JK_Livin wrote:

Got this from Peter King,

For a moment, let’s say in Week 17 we have the following four results: Jets over Miami, Cincinnati (which has but a vague hope of getting a bye) beats Baltimore, Kansas City over San Diego, and Pittsburgh over Cleveland. That would create this logjam for the sixth seed:

Team Record
Pittsburgh 8-8
New York Jets 8-8
San Diego 8-8
Miami 8-8
Baltimore 8-8
In a five-way playoff tie, you first break ties within divisions. The Jets would eliminate Miami by virtue of a better division record (3-3 to 2-4). Pittsburgh eliminates Baltimore by having a better division record (4-2 to 3-3). That narrows it to Pittsburgh, San Diego and the Jets.

We go to conference-games tiebreaker. Pittsburgh would be 6-6. San Diego and the Jets would be 5-7. That’s it. And Pittsburgh would make it … after being 2-6 at the midway point, losing to Minnesota in London and Oakland in the Black Hole, and giving up 55 points to the wounded Patriots. Crazy league.

A logjam to see which team gets destroyed by the Pats or Broncos

The Juggler · December 2013

FrankieG wrote:

JK_Livin wrote:

Got this from Peter King,

For a moment, let’s say in Week 17 we have the following four results: Jets over Miami, Cincinnati (which has but a vague hope of getting a bye) beats Baltimore, Kansas City over San Diego, and Pittsburgh over Cleveland. That would create this logjam for the sixth seed:

Team Record
Pittsburgh 8-8
New York Jets 8-8
San Diego 8-8
Miami 8-8
Baltimore 8-8
In a five-way playoff tie, you first break ties within divisions. The Jets would eliminate Miami by virtue of a better division record (3-3 to 2-4). Pittsburgh eliminates Baltimore by having a better division record (4-2 to 3-3). That narrows it to Pittsburgh, San Diego and the Jets.

We go to conference-games tiebreaker. Pittsburgh would be 6-6. San Diego and the Jets would be 5-7. That’s it. And Pittsburgh would make it … after being 2-6 at the midway point, losing to Minnesota in London and Oakland in the Black Hole, and giving up 55 points to the wounded Patriots. Crazy league.

:fp: At least its keeping it interesting up to the very last moment.

yeah that is pretty crazy. the nfl does it right with all these divisional games at the end of the season though. the playoffs basically start this week for a number of teams.

Jason P · December 2013

SVRDhand13 wrote:

What do you think the ratings would be for a Panthers/Bengals Super Bowl in the snow?

Pretty low considering most of us will be preparing for the upcoming apocalypse.

Ledbetterman10 · December 2013

FrankieG wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Here's the playoff scenarios:

AFC

BALTIMORE RAVENS

Baltimore clinches a playoff spot with:

1) BAL win + SD loss OR
2) BAL win + MIA loss OR
3) PIT loss + SD loss + MIA loss

MIAMI DOLPHINS

Miami clinches a playoff spot with:

1) MIA win + BAL loss OR
2) MIA win + SD win

PITTSBURGH STEELERS

Pittsburgh clinches a playoff spot with:

1) PIT win + BAL loss + MIA loss + SD loss

SAN DIEGO CHARGERS

San Diego clinches a playoff spot with:

1) SD win + BAL loss + MIA loss

The fact that the final AFC Wild Card cannot be clinched by a team without help is boggleing my mind... How is that possible? Surely there is a scenario that isn't covered... What happens if everyone wins/everyone loses?

Every scenario is covered, If everybody wins or everybody loses, Miami gets the spot (unless everybody loses and Pittsburgh wins)

Miami, San Diego, and Baltimore are all 8-7. With three-way ties, head-to-head tie-breakers don't count unless every team has played each other. Baltimore beat Miami, Miami beat San Diego, but Baltimore and San Diego didn't play each other...so head-to-head is irrelevant if they all finish tied. So if they all win to get to 9-7, Miami will get in with the best conference record. Now if only two of the teams finish 9-7, then head-to-head tie-breakers will be applicable if it's MIA/SD (MIA gets in) or MIA/BALT (BALT gets in) that finish 9-7. If it's BALT/SD that finish 9-7, then Balt will get in with a better conference record than SD.

As for Pittsburgh, check out JK_Livin's post from above.

Yefa · December 2013

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

FrankieG wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Here's the playoff scenarios:

AFC

BALTIMORE RAVENS

Baltimore clinches a playoff spot with:

1) BAL win + SD loss OR
2) BAL win + MIA loss OR
3) PIT loss + SD loss + MIA loss

The fact that the final AFC Wild Card cannot be clinched by a team without help is boggleing my mind... How is that possible? Surely there is a scenario that isn't covered... What happens if everyone wins/everyone loses?

Every scenario is covered, If everybody wins or everybody loses, Miami gets the spot (unless everybody loses and Pittsburgh wins)

But look at the info above. Number 3 under Baltimore says they clinch a playoff spot with losses by Pittsburgh, San Diego, and Miami. If they also needed to win to get in under a particular scenario, it would typically say that (as with numbers 1 and 2). So doesn't that mean that Baltimore gets in if all 4 teams lose next week?

FrankieG · December 2013

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