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lukin2006 wrote:Do you guys really think this has only happened under the current PM's watch? I for one don't ... but in 2015 you'll get a chance to elect Justin or Mulcair and we'll have a whole new set of scandals do deal with. Politicians are corrupt individuals ... some are just better at hiding it than others.
do you get annoyed when someone doesn't actually post things that continually allow you to repeat the same thing over and over again? ... no one remotely referred to this as a current PM thing ... 0 -
Kel Varnsen wrote:I was talking to someone else about this and I really wonder about this. I mean what kind of dirt does Duffy have on Harper. I mean why didn't Harper just burn him the minute the scandal broke (especially since he could make an example of him and use it as a way to push for senate reform)? Because the whole "my assistant will pay your debt but will tell people I knew nothing about it" plan sounds like the dumbest idea ever. Especially for someone with the kind of political experience Stephen Harper has.
what is really interesting is that Duffy still claims he did nothing wrong! ... like dude - you don't live in PEI!! ... you can't dispute that! ... and we all know nigel wright didn't write the check using his own personal funds ... pretty lame they used tax dollars to pay for it ...0 -
polaris_x wrote:
what is really interesting is that Duffy still claims he did nothing wrong! ... like dude - you don't live in PEI!! ... you can't dispute that! ... and we all know nigel wright didn't write the check using his own personal funds ... pretty lame they used tax dollars to pay for it ...
Graffiti spotted in these parts:
Anne of Green Gables and Mike Duffy...both fictional residents of PEI.
It boggles the mind that Harper didn't press eject on Duffy and Wallin. It's really hard to see how this could have turned out well for Harper, and I agree that normally he's far too savvy to let this happen. Wonder if we'll know before 2015?0 -
bytterman wrote:Graffiti spotted in these parts:
Anne of Green Gables and Mike Duffy...both fictional residents of PEI.
It boggles the mind that Harper didn't press eject on Duffy and Wallin. It's really hard to see how this could have turned out well for Harper, and I agree that normally he's far too savvy to let this happen. Wonder if we'll know before 2015?
only explanation i got is what i wrote previously ... that they cover so much shit up - they are just used to doing it that way ..
in any case - as bad as the optics are on this ... it doesn't bother me as much as the other shit this gov't does in the face of democracy ... not sure why the opposition doesn't press them on the shit they are pulling elsewhere ...0 -
polaris_x wrote:
do you get annoyed when someone doesn't actually post things that continually allow you to repeat the same thing over and over again? ... no one remotely referred to this as a current PM thing ...
Nope ... But as far as scandals go in terms of tax dollars being abused this seems like pittance compared to how many billions that most governments waste ...I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0 -
What do you guys want done with the senate anyways? You'll likely never see reform, it seems like we'll need a constitutional amendment ... Good luck with that.I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0 -
lukin2006 wrote:Nope ... But as far as scandals go in terms of tax dollars being abused this seems like pittance compared to how many billions that most governments waste ...
yeah ... for sure ... see my other comments ... there are some real issues that should piss canadians off about this gov't ... this doesn't even make the top 10 ...0 -
lukin2006 wrote:What do you guys want done with the senate anyways? You'll likely never see reform, it seems like we'll need a constitutional amendment ... Good luck with that.
abolished ... say bye bye patronage appointments ...
too bad harper reneged on this ... cuz between ndp and cons - it would have been a slam dunk ...0 -
polaris_x wrote:
only explanation i got is what i wrote previously ... that they cover so much shit up - they are just used to doing it that way ..
in any case - as bad as the optics are on this ... it doesn't bother me as much as the other shit this gov't does in the face of democracy ... not sure why the opposition doesn't press them on the shit they are pulling elsewhere ...
There really isn't a lot the opposition can do in the face of a majority, at least in Parliament, but I certainly agree with the sentiment. Anyway I think it well past time to abolish the senate, although it will be a bit messy and too many lawyers will be billing us. The whining about that out here will be awful, I suspect.0 -
to abolish the senate would need a constitutional amendment ... in my quick and very brief search it seems that the senate needs to vote on a constitutional amendment, doubt they would vote to abolish themselves. So as nice abolishment sounds it seems unlikely to happen. Now i'm no where near a constitutional expert and there might be ways around it, but it could get very messy with lots of lawyers involved. I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0 -
polaris_x wrote:
i always wonder why these hosers just don't come clean to begin with? ... i guess they cover up so much shit that doesn't get exposed that it makes it worthwhile ... won't affect his base ... but may lose some of the middle-right ...
I disagree about the base. My old man is a card carrying, donating member of the CONS who is really pissed about this (also from southern Alberta). He is most definitely a representative of his base.
I think this hurts him more than you think.
I agree that Harper and the CONS have done way worse shit than this but he ran on accountability and won. This is the kind of shit that pisses off his base.0 -
dignin wrote:I agree that Harper and the CONS have done way worse shit than this but he ran on accountability and won. This is the kind of shit that pisses off his base.
Which is another reason why I don't understand this. Sacrificing one senator and over 90,000 bucks is an easy way to show that you are tough on corruption without having to really do anything. Especially since if you get out in front of this soon enough, it is just some simple slap on the wrist or maybe getting kicked out of the party but remaining a senator.
Instead now we are probably going to be spending millions to investigate $90,000 worth of fraud.0 -
dignin wrote:I disagree about the base. My old man is a card carrying, donating member of the CONS who is really pissed about this (also from southern Alberta). He is most definitely a representative of his base.
I think this hurts him more than you think.
I agree that Harper and the CONS have done way worse shit than this but he ran on accountability and won. This is the kind of shit that pisses off his base.
right ... but he's still gonna vote conservative in 2015 i bet ...0 -
lukin2006 wrote:to abolish the senate would need a constitutional amendment ... in my quick and very brief search it seems that the senate needs to vote on a constitutional amendment, doubt they would vote to abolish themselves. So as nice abolishment sounds it seems unlikely to happen. Now i'm no where near a constitutional expert and there might be ways around it, but it could get very messy with lots of lawyers involved.
my understanding is that they need to make a constitutional amendment that is backed by at least 7 provinces representing at least 50% of the population ...0 -
polaris_x wrote:
right ... but he's still gonna vote conservative in 2015 i bet ...
Maybe, but he may stay home.0 -
Kel Varnsen wrote:
Which is another reason why I don't understand this. Sacrificing one senator and over 90,000 bucks is an easy way to show that you are tough on corruption without having to really do anything. Especially since if you get out in front of this soon enough, it is just some simple slap on the wrist or maybe getting kicked out of the party but remaining a senator.
Instead now we are probably going to be spending millions to investigate $90,000 worth of fraud.
I agree, it makes no sense.
This is why you always vote against the incumbent. No politician should be in power this long.0 -
It'd be interesting to see if we could get 7 out of 10 provinces with 50% of the population so the senate can be abolished. Some how I don't think we could.I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0 -
Scott Stinson: Ontario Liberals celebrate energy plan with forecast — appear to forget they’ve achieved almost nothing
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... t-nothing/
Another nail driven into the coffin of the middle class. if this holds true then its another severe blow to the poor and lower middle class.I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0 -
Green Party has second MP!0
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polaris_x wrote:Green Party has second MP!
Link?
Edit: found one
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/thunder ... -1.24629830
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