qur'an & violence against women/girls

catefrances wrote:

chadwick wrote:

why did they park a vehicle on top of a hungry 8 year old boy's forearm after he was caught steeling bread from the market? i was told on here that islam does not chop off the hand of a thief but will chop off the hand of a greedy person. i then looked that stuff up, i did some research & found that steeling in iran & wherever else gets a hand chopped the heck off.

in fact, some just go ahead & have their healthy, fine working hand removed just to show god & other people they are willing to suffer & stuggle through life for god; they are dedicated & want to make it known.

yes they are not all this radical. this here is radical bizarre & cruel behavior.

theres that THEY again. who is this they you speak of? I would say that they are arseholes.. nothing other than that. but its certainly convenient for ones argument, no matter how tenuous it is, to brush all muslims with the same broad strokes and paint the lot of them(and their religion) as barbaric cause its so much easier than separating them into the individuals they are and making them accountable for their own behaviour. Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped and abused by a Christian but we seem to be able to separate brian mitchell from the faith he bastardised in order to justify his actions... so why do we have such difficulty in separating those muslims who use their religion as an excuse for extremely bad behaviour???

Many either cant seperate or dont have a desire to seperate behaviour from a belief system. Its much much easier to generalize. Then a person doesnt have ot think critically.

Does sharia law have a place in current government?

JimmyV wrote:

I think my point has been missed. Of course there is work to do in the West as well. That said, in my opinion, comparing the trial, conviction, sentencing of, say, a child murderer, and allowing the accused countless appeals before the sentence is carried out DOES NOT IN ANYWAY equate with what happens to these women. The "Yeah...but...America has problems too" argument dismisses the shocking barbarity of these sham trials and executions. Death by public stoning. In 2013. Think about that. Once accused, these women never have a chance. The accusation alone is a death sentence, and that doesn't even touch on the issue of what they are being accused of. That does not happen here. Making comparisons to the existing death penalty in the US is a huge stretch.

I'm in agreement with this statement.

I'm of the opinion this thread is legitimate and not an isolated, hate driven thread that some might make it out to be. For example, the problems in the west are far from being ignored: there is a 90 page thread on the death penalty in this very forum and various prominent western religions have faced scrutiny here as well.

But ignoring the problems in the west for the moment that this thread allows, the fact that these 'public executions' are court and state sanctioned, at the very least, questions are begged and criticism is warranted from those who find such acts reprehensible.

Did I miss something where this thread shifted its focus from the acts carried out under the name of religion to painting all Muslims as evil? If so, we should correct that generalization. But these acts highlighted in this thread are indefensible.

JimmyV wrote:

VivaPalestina wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

The Redskins name in particular is regularly and rightfully protested against. The POTUS himself recently chimed in the issue. No one is dragged off to jail for such criticisms.

The topic of Islam and the treatment of women in the Muslim world is a sensitive one. I understand the first reaction to be defensive when these topics come up. Religions in general are often a difficult thing to discuss. I don't think looking for similar examples in American history adds much to the discussion though. Today, in 2013, women are being charged with adultery, given sham trials, and sentenced to death by public stoning. Death by public stoning. This should be shocking and sickening to us all. Wherever it is happening in the world, in whatever culture it is happening, it should be condemned.

My point has been missed, and I was not trying to condone anything.There is no one on here including myself who has condoned the practice, what more of a condemnation could there be when Muslims have said that this is not Islam, that is the practice of a patriarchal society who has sought to use and misuse power. Where in the US constitution does it say that innocent men should be electrocuted until their eyeballs fall out, but it has indeed happened because of men in power have interpretated a document meant to bring to heel the abuses and oppression of the masses as free reign to execute poor minorities. I think given the injustice in the world, the East and West, we all have work to do.

I think my point has been missed. Of course there is work to do in the West as well. That said, in my opinion, comparing the trial, conviction, sentencing of, say, a child murderer, and allowing the accused countless appeals before the sentence is carried out DOES NOT IN ANYWAY equate with what happens to these women. The "Yeah...but...America has problems too" argument dismisses the shocking barbarity of these sham trials and executions. Death by public stoning. In 2013. Think about that. Once accused, these women never have a chance. The accusation alone is a death sentence, and that doesn't even touch on the issue of what they are being accused of. That does not happen here. Making comparisons to the existing death penalty in the US is a huge stretch.

Your being a hypocrite, when innocent men, minorites are killed its always wrong, because the great "democracy" in the past 30 years has found a way to "humanely", what is humane about pumping poison into someone, do it, "sham trials" are more widespread in the US then these isolated incidents, which are CONDEMNEDand have been CONDEMNED repeatedly, Scholars have been quoted, that this is an unjust practice, it is not representative of Islam, and men can use any document to justify killing innocents. The death penalty is wrong, can you admit, condemn that?

VivaPalestina wrote:

Your being a hypocrite, when innocent men, minorites are killed its always wrong, because the great "democracy" in the past 30 years has found a way to "humanely", what is humane about pumping poison into someone, do it, "sham trials" are more widespread in the US then these isolated incidents, which are CONDONED and have been CONDONED repeatedly, Scholars have been quoted, that this is an unjust practice, it is not representative of Islam, and men can use any document to justify killing innocents. The death penalty is wrong, can you admit, condone that?

This is a confusing post.

The people being put to death via death penalty have raped and murdered women and children. Many 'scholars' and many people think this is more than a fair consequence for such brutal acts of violence.

Women being stoned to death for infidelity is hardly the same thing.

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

VivaPalestina wrote:

Your being a hypocrite, when innocent men, minorites are killed its always wrong, because the great "democracy" in the past 30 years has found a way to "humanely", what is humane about pumping poison into someone, do it, "sham trials" are more widespread in the US then these isolated incidents, which are CONDONED and have been CONDONED repeatedly, Scholars have been quoted, that this is an unjust practice, it is not representative of Islam, and men can use any document to justify killing innocents. The death penalty is wrong, can you admit, condone that?

This is a confusing post.

The people being put to death via death penalty have raped and murdered women and children. Many 'scholars' and many people think this is more than a fair consequence for such brutal acts of violence.

Women being stoned to death for infidelity is hardly the same thing.

I know way off topic but what about the innocent men that are put to death in the US? Collateral damage?