qur'an & violence against women/girls

VivaPalestina

Really? You think you can post and do whatever you want... interesting.

Absolutely no positive stories. We are all bloodthirsty lust driven savages, but our land and resources are good... maybe we will all be wiped out and in 400 years you can name baseball teams and military helicopters after us...and quote us in your signatures. What a joke.

chadwick

VivaPalestina wrote:

Really? You think you can post and do whatever you want... interesting.

Absolutely no positive stories. We are all bloodthirsty lust driven savages, but our land and resources are good... maybe we will all be wiped out and in 400 years you can name baseball teams and military helicopters after us...and quote us in your signatures. What a joke.

i was saying... a person can speak how they feel about a religion & the government's short comings without fear of being sent off to prison while his family suffers without him. we are talking about a activist who spoke his mind. in saudi arabia one cannot speak freely about islam in any sort of negative or wishful changing manner. iran, the country itself means, 'republic of islam', yes?

government & religion intertwined... that is dangerous is it not?

"name baseball teams & military helicopters after us...and quote us in your signatures. what a joke."
say what?

catefrances

chadwick wrote:

was saying... a person can speak how they feel about a religion & the government's short comings without fear of being sent off to prison while his family suffers without him. we are talking about a activist who spoke his mind. in saudi arabia one cannot speak freely about islam in any sort of negative or wishful changing manner. iran, the country itself means, 'republic of islam', yes?

government & religion intertwined... that is dangerous is it not?

"name baseball teams & military helicopters after us...and quote us in your signatures. what a joke."
say what?

ive read sources that say iran means noble. that is has always been used throughout its long history by those who call/ed themselves iranians. that it is cognant with a similar word in Sanskrit and with the word, aryan, which itself has evolved negative connotations.

badbrains

Someone told me today that the Muslim holiday eid is gonna be on tues OCT 15th. Yup, that's right, same day as Lightning Bolt being released. Ah oh Areil and GF, mite want to cancel your 10C membership.

VivaPalestina

chadwick wrote:

VivaPalestina wrote:

Really? You think you can post and do whatever you want... interesting.

Absolutely no positive stories. We are all bloodthirsty lust driven savages, but our land and resources are good... maybe we will all be wiped out and in 400 years you can name baseball teams and military helicopters after us...and quote us in your signatures. What a joke.

i was saying... a person can speak how they feel about a religion & the government's short comings without fear of being sent off to prison while his family suffers without him. we are talking about a activist who spoke his mind. in saudi arabia one cannot speak freely about islam in any sort of negative or wishful changing manner. iran, the country itself means, 'republic of islam', yes?

government & religion intertwined... that is dangerous is it not?

"name baseball teams & military helicopters after us...and quote us in your signatures. what a joke."
say what?[/quotOe]

Who is Nez Pearce? The Indians, some peaceful, some brutal fighters Americans "celebrate" with Apache helicopters, ironic, no? The redskins, that is derogatory? Americans wiped them out, they are no longer a threat...the common people were complicit, bad news stories?

chadwick

the islamic republic is found in pakistan, iran, afghanistan & mauritania. mauritania is a country found in west africa.

the islamic republic of pakistan
the islamic republic of iran
the islamic republic of afghanistan
the islamic republic of mauritania

state & religion intertwine. it is understood that this is dangerous. it is even done in the us with "in god we trust" on our money.

so what do we know about mixing religion & state?

JimmyV

The Redskins name in particular is regularly and rightfully protested against. The POTUS himself recently chimed in the issue. No one is dragged off to jail for such criticisms.

The topic of Islam and the treatment of women in the Muslim world is a sensitive one. I understand the first reaction to be defensive when these topics come up. Religions in general are often a difficult thing to discuss. I don't think looking for similar examples in American history adds much to the discussion though. Today, in 2013, women are being charged with adultery, given sham trials, and sentenced to death by public stoning. Death by public stoning. This should be shocking and sickening to us all. Wherever it is happening in the world, in whatever culture it is happening, it should be condemned.

ajedigecko

chadwick wrote:

the islamic republic is found in pakistan, iran, afghanistan & mauritania. mauritania is a country found in west africa.

the islamic republic of pakistan
the islamic republic of iran
the islamic republic of afghanistan
the islamic republic of mauritania

state & religion intertwine. it is understood that this is dangerous. it is even done in the us with "in god we trust" on our money.

so what do we know about mixing religion & state?

can you name countries dominated by muslims....and those countires allow for freedom of religion - speech - protection under the law?

just a thought.

catefrances

chadwick wrote:

the islamic republic is found in pakistan, iran, afghanistan & mauritania. mauritania is a country found in west africa.

the islamic republic of pakistan
the islamic republic of iran
the islamic republic of afghanistan
the islamic republic of mauritania

state & religion intertwine. it is understood that this is dangerous. it is even done in the us with "in god we trust" on our money.

so what do we know about mixing religion & state?

is this your response to my post chad??? or are you just choosing to ignore what I said?? but having posted this surely you can see now that iran doesn't mean 'republic of islam' otherwise iran would be the Islamic republic of Islamic republic and that just sounds dumb, don't you think?

but fyi the largest muslim country on earth isn't the Islamic republic of anything... its just Indonesia. 8-)

Pingfah

I wouldn't bother if I were you, as I said earlier he completely ignores any information that doesn't fit with his preconceived perceptions of the world. He's not being intellectually honest at all, he's just trying to upset you guys.

chadwick

catefrances wrote:

chadwick wrote:

the islamic republic is found in pakistan, iran, afghanistan & mauritania. mauritania is a country found in west africa.

the islamic republic of pakistan
the islamic republic of iran
the islamic republic of afghanistan
the islamic republic of mauritania

state & religion intertwine. it is understood that this is dangerous. it is even done in the us with "in god we trust" on our money.

so what do we know about mixing religion & state?

is this your response to my post chad??? or are you just choosing to ignore what I said?? but having posted this surely you can see now that iran doesn't mean 'republic of islam' otherwise iran would be the Islamic republic of Islamic republic and that just sounds dumb, don't you think?

but fyi the largest muslim country on earth isn't the Islamic republic of anything... its just Indonesia. 8-)

that is my response. in your above post, was there a question? you are right the word 'iran' does not mean 'the islamic republic of'

what iran is though is the republic of islam. yes indonesia is a huge islamic following. over the years i've found that interesting. at first i was surprised a bit as i thought they would be hindu or buddhist. it's cool, whatever floats their boats. i like buddhism & hinduism, great artwork & interesting stuff going on, from what i know of it. which would you like to even slightly practice, cate: buddhism, hinduism, or islamic beliefs? i ask this because i've read that you are atheist or agnostic, i'm not sure which as i can't remember.

i myself feel 100% there is a higher power & there are many & they are all one. i believe a lot of things others may not, like the earth being a god - nature - the raw earth, the universe a god, things we have no idea about like other dimensions layed around this one we live in

i just find it funny i am slammed around for asking questions about islam. i'm told i'm closed minded & other things. closed minded? wow! that is a reach. saying i am closed minded is so insane i cannot explain how bizarre that is as i am one of the most open minded people around.

every single living thing on this planet has a spirit/soul. bees, moss, grass, trees, water, flowers & air. "chadwick, you are closed minded." .... "now stop asking questions that irritate others & just keep these questions to yourself"

everything is connected right down the fucking line & everything deserves a life filled with their own version of happiness as long as others are not hurt.

"close minded" - chadwick

chadwick

Pingfah wrote:

I wouldn't bother if I were you, as I said earlier he completely ignores any information that doesn't fit with his preconceived perceptions of the world. He's not being intellectually honest at all, he's just trying to upset you guys.

but you being yourself, you do bother, but if you were catefrances you wouldn't bother, yes/no?


my preconceived perceptions of the world are incredible ones. i want to know about everything with even having this learning disability i have, my brain is like a sponge as i soak up knowledge on a daily basis, spiritually & academically. love me some math & science. my entertainment is learning & writing. you & i both have no fucking idea what you are on about.

mickeyrat

chadwick wrote:

Pingfah wrote:

I wouldn't bother if I were you, as I said earlier he completely ignores any information that doesn't fit with his preconceived perceptions of the world. He's not being intellectually honest at all, he's just trying to upset you guys.

but you being yourself, you do bother, but if you were catefrances you wouldn't bother, yes/no?


my preconceived perceptions of the world are incredible ones. i want to know about everything with even having this learning disability i have, my brain is like a sponge as i soak up knowledge on a daily basis, spiritually & academically. love me some math & science. my entertainment is learning & writing. you & i both have no fucking idea what you are on about.

its from wiki, but can be sourced elsewhere , I thought it interesting and worth the read cond=sidering the bolded statement above.

Religion
Main article: Religion in Iran
Imam Reza shrine in Mashhad, one of the most important religious places in Iran.

Religion in Iran is dominated by the Twelver Shia branch of Islam, which is the official state religion and to which about 90% to 95%[177][178] of Iranians belong. About 4% to 8% of Iranians belong to the Sunni branch of Islam, mainly Kurds and Iran's Balochi Sunni. The remaining 2% are non-Muslim religious minorities, including Bahá'ís, Mandeans, Hindus, Yezidis, Yarsanis, Zoroastrians, Jews, and Christians.[20]

The latter three minority religions are officially recognized and protected, and have reserved seats in the Parliament (Majlis) . However the Bahá'í Faith, Iran's largest religious minority,[179] is not officially recognized, and has been persecuted during its existence in Iran since the 19th century. Since the 1979 revolution the persecution of Bahá'ís has increased with executions, the denial of civil rights and liberties, and the denial of access to higher education and employment.[180][181][182]
Culture
Main article: Culture of Iran
See also: Persian mythology, Iranian studies, Persian garden, and Media of Iran
"Two Herons with Ducks", 14th-century illustration

Iranian culture has long been a predominant culture of the region, with Persian considered the language of intellectuals during much of the 2nd millennium, and the language of religion and the populace before that.

The Sassanid era was an important and influential historical period in Iran as Iranian culture influenced China, India and Roman civilization considerably,[183] and so influenced as far as Western Europe and Africa.[184] This influence played a prominent role in the formation of both Asiatic and European medieval art.[185] This influence carried forward to the Islamic world. Much of what later became known as Islamic learning, such as philology, literature, jurisprudence, philosophy, medicine, architecture and the sciences were based on some of the practises taken from the Sassanid Persians to the broader Muslim world.[186][187][188] Daily life in modern Iran is closely interwoven with Shia Islam and the country's art, literature, and architecture are an ever-present reminder of its deep national tradition and of a broader literary culture.[188][189]

The Iranian New Year (Nowruz) is an ancient tradition celebrated on 21 March to mark the beginning of spring in Iran. Nowruz was registered on the list of Masterpieces of the Oral and Intangible Heritage of Humanity[190] and described as the Persian New Year[191][192][193][194] by the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) in 2009.
Arts and literature
Main articles: Iranian architecture and Iranian art
Tiles of Sheikh Lotf Allah Mosque

Iran is home to one of the richest artistic traditions in world history and encompasses many disciplines, including architecture, painting, weaving, pottery, calligraphy, metalworking and stonemasonry. Carpet-weaving is one of the most distinguished manifestations of Persian culture and art, and dates back to ancient Persia. Persians were among the first to use mathematics, geometry, and astronomy in architecture and also have extraordinary skills in making massive domes which can be seen frequently in the structure of bazaars and mosques. This greatly inspired the architecture of Iran's neighbors as well. The main building types of classical Iranian architecture are the mosque and the palace. Besides being home to a large number of art houses and galleries, Iran also holds one of the largest and most valuable jewel collections in the world.

Iran ranks seventh among countries in the world with the most archeological architectural ruins and attractions from antiquity as recognized by UNESCO.[195] Fifteen of UNESCO's World Heritage Sites are creations of Iranian architecture.

Poetry is used in many Persian classical works, whether from literature, science, or metaphysics. Persian literature has been considered by such thinkers as Goethe as one of the four main bodies of world literature.[196] The Persian language has produced a number of famous poets; however, only a few poets as Rumi and Omar Khayyám have surfaced among western popular readership, even though the likes of Hafiz, Saadi, Nizami,[197] Attar, Sanai, Nasir Khusraw and Jami are considered by many Iranians to be just as influential.

catefrances

chadwick wrote:

catefrances wrote:

chadwick wrote:

the islamic republic is found in pakistan, iran, afghanistan & mauritania. mauritania is a country found in west africa.

the islamic republic of pakistan
the islamic republic of iran
the islamic republic of afghanistan
the islamic republic of mauritania

state & religion intertwine. it is understood that this is dangerous. it is even done in the us with "in god we trust" on our money.

so what do we know about mixing religion & state?

is this your response to my post chad??? or are you just choosing to ignore what I said?? but having posted this surely you can see now that iran doesn't mean 'republic of islam' otherwise iran would be the Islamic republic of Islamic republic and that just sounds dumb, don't you think?

but fyi the largest muslim country on earth isn't the Islamic republic of anything... its just Indonesia. 8-)

that is my response. in your above post, was there a question? you are right the word 'iran' does not mean 'the islamic republic of'

what iran is though is the republic of islam. yes indonesia is a huge islamic following. over the years i've found that interesting. at first i was surprised a bit as i thought they would be hindu or buddhist. it's cool, whatever floats their boats. i like buddhism & hinduism, great artwork & interesting stuff going on, from what i know of it. which would you like to even slightly practice, cate: buddhism, hinduism, or islamic beliefs? i ask this because i've read that you are atheist or agnostic, i'm not sure which as i can't remember.

i myself feel 100% there is a higher power & there are many & they are all one. i believe a lot of things others may not, like the earth being a god - nature - the raw earth, the universe a god, things we have no idea about like other dimensions layed around this one we live in

i just find it funny i am slammed around for asking questions about islam. i'm told i'm closed minded & other things. closed minded? wow! that is a reach. saying i am closed minded is so insane i cannot explain how bizarre that is as i am one of the most open minded people around.

every single living thing on this planet has a spirit/soul. bees, moss, grass, trees, water, flowers & air. "chadwick, you are closed minded." .... "now stop asking questions that irritate others & just keep these questions to yourself"

everything is connected right down the fucking line & everything deserves a life filled with their own version of happiness as long as others are not hurt.

"close minded" - chadwick

questions asked and answered chad.

I am atheistic. I see buddism as more a philosophy than a religion.. i love the idea that we all have the potential to become buddhas... and that the path to that is though right living. i have come to the conclusion through my reading over the entirety of my life that the way i live my life, the thoughts i think and my attitude towards life comes closest to the buddhist philosophy. its not something i have chosen to consciously seek out, nor would i identify as a buddist(because im not... there is too much depravation within the Buddhist philosophy for me) but it simply seems to be the way my life has unfolded.

Kathi

badbrains wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Its bullshit ... they do treat woman differently. Personal experience of my wife ... while working at a factory she had a recently hire immigrant of Muslim faith tell her "she had no right working there, and should be home taking care of her household duties" ... I told her to file a complaint and get his ass terminated, she would not not, she's far nicer than me . And more recently her employer hired some recent refugees on some kind of government program and one was of the muslim faith and a female co - worker went to shake his hand and he refused ... spouting off some bullshit about his religion. Wish I was there to laugh in his face.

And why didn't you go and defend your wife's honor or speak up for her? No brainer for me. Someone insults my wife I'd have no prob defending her. You choose not to. Says a lot. We get it, you dnt like Islam and all religions. No prob, doesn't mean I wouldn't stand next to you at a show.

I'm sure you meant no harm in this, but I don't think his wife needs anyone to defend her honor. I'm sure she's perfectly capable of handling that situation on her own or she would've asked him for help.

fuck

lukin2006 wrote:

Its bullshit ... they do treat woman differently. Personal experience of my wife ... while working at a factory she had a recently hire immigrant of Muslim faith tell her "she had no right working there, and should be home taking care of her household duties" ... I told her to file a complaint and get his ass terminated, she would not not, she's far nicer than me . And more recently her employer hired some recent refugees on some kind of government program and one was of the muslim faith and a female co - worker went to shake his hand and he refused ... spouting off some bullshit about his religion. Wish I was there to laugh in his face.

This post is filled with so many problems. I mean even the most obvious example is the third fucking word of the post. Notice how you say "THEY" treat women differently, only to provide us with anecdotal evidence. And yet no one seems to have really called this out in this thread.

Can anyone here imagine if I said black people do something differently from us and then went on to provide some random anecdotal evidence? Or Asians? Or ANYONE? Why is it ok when it comes to Muslims? Because they're just so weird and foreign to us that it's OK?

You know, the "problem" with black people is "they" are too prone to criminal activity. The "problem" with Asians (or should I say "Chinamen", Dude?) is "they" open too many dry cleaners in the U.S. without learning how to speak our language so it gets frustrating to explain to them that I need that wine stain out without having the actual shirt fucked up. The "problem" with white people is "they" like guns and shooting rampages and Wes Andersen films too fucking much.

I mean, seriously? Is this type of talk actually tolerated here, and engaged with as if it's a legitimate point?

chadwick

^^^^^^^
that isn't the same thing & i am sure as shit you are reaching quite far into your little cookie jar or wild bag of tricks with a post like that.


i'll reread it a few times just to make sure.

chadwick

first of all just to point something out... muslims, asians, blacks & white?

asians is a religion?
blacks & white are a religion?
muslims are a race/skin tone?

anyway... whatever, man

fuck

chadwick wrote:

first of all just to point something out... muslims, asians, blacks & white?

asians is a religion?
blacks & white are a religion?
muslims are a race/skin tone?

anyway... whatever, man

What are you talking about? These are all identities that represent a wide range of people. That's enough to make the comparison. It's a "category", and people here, including most especially you, are reducing the multipolarity that exists within to a single narrative and stereotype.

Do you have anything worthwhile to actually contribute to the discussion here? It looks like all you do is state your opinion, receive a response, then just restate your original opinion with the brilliant addition of a casual "whatever bro".

chadwick

why did they park a vehicle on top of a hungry 8 year old boy's forearm after he was caught steeling bread from the market? i was told on here that islam does not chop off the hand of a thief but will chop off the hand of a greedy person. i then looked that stuff up, i did some research & found that steeling in iran & wherever else gets a hand chopped the heck off.

in fact, some just go ahead & have their healthy, fine working hand removed just to show god & other people they are willing to suffer & stuggle through life for god; they are dedicated & want to make it known.

yes they are not all this radical. this here is radical bizarre & cruel behavior.