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    Cliffy6745 wrote:
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    Because the double standard is such bullshit

    well one's a more cerebral game and the other is defined by brute force. total opposites. i think it's obvious why there is a perceived double standard when it comes to this stuff.
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    Cliffy6745 wrote:
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    What?

    People just like football more. We don't want to tear down football players as much as we want to tear down baseball players. And when I say "we" I mean the American media. It's more fun for them to vilify a Braun or A-Rod than it is a Von Miller or a Brian Cushing. It probably has something to do with records/stats like Juggler said.
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    Plus, baseball's the sport where most established media members made their names. The old school media members covering baseball also made their names during the time of the cold war (russia and east germans invented steroids so they were/are always considered a bad thing), they care about records that almost everyone can agree don't translate generationally, and think that integrity actually has something to do with professional sports. Football media members tend to be more new school and care more about the spectacle and preserving "the shield" by not offering real criticism and/or feigning outrage when things like this happen. Eventually, as the NFL begins to lose its foothold as America's favorite sport (could be 10 years could be 100 but it will happen), media members will start tearing down the league more incisively than they do now. People will look back and shake their heads that Von Miller is allowed to play, or they will shake their heads that people of our generation actually pretended to care about steroids when it's pretty obvious that layers in all sports are on performance enhancers.
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    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    People just like football more. We don't want to tear down football players as much as we want to tear down baseball players. And when I say "we" I mean the American media. It's more fun for them to vilify a Braun or A-Rod than it is a Von Miller or a Brian Cushing. It probably has something to do with records/stats like Juggler said.

    Football players who been implicated in steroid use have tended to be more sympathetic as well. And usually came out on their own, where baseball players have been busted and forced to go to court, where they continued to BS. The big face of steroids in the NFL, the person most associated with it historically, is Lyle Alzado. Who made his confession while dying from an inoperable brain tumor he attributed to steroids. Hard to hate that. Meanwhile the face of steroids of baseball are guys like Barry Bonds, Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa. People who are dragged into court, lied, refuse to cooperate, pretended to not speak English, etc. I think that's one of the reasons baseball players are more vilified for steroids than football. Then of course you have the other reason mentioned, how baseball is so much about personal stats and records. Baseball is ALL about the numbers, football is all about W/L. NFL records, try as the commentators might to get us interested, are generally met with a "whoopty-doo", it's kind of neat, but no big deal. I couldn't tell you hardly any NFL record holder the same way I could give you for MLB or NHL.
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    Funny thing is that Alzado's brain tumor being "caused by" steroids is not as cut and dried as it seems... http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1992-0 ... er-experts

    And this guy isn't all that sympathetic and he's playing today http://deadspin.com/report-aldon-smith- ... 1366687026
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    The face of steroids in football is.......EVERYONE
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    SatansFuton wrote:
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    Football players who been implicated in steroid use have tended to be more sympathetic as well. And usually came out on their own, where baseball players have been busted and forced to go to court, where they continued to BS. The big face of steroids in the NFL, the person most associated with it historically, is Lyle Alzado. Who made his confession while dying from an inoperable brain tumor he attributed to steroids. Hard to hate that. Meanwhile the face of steroids of baseball are guys like Barry Bonds, Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa. People who are dragged into court, lied, refuse to cooperate, pretended to not speak English, etc. I think that's one of the reasons baseball players are more vilified for steroids than football. Then of course you have the other reason mentioned, how baseball is so much about personal stats and records. Baseball is ALL about the numbers, football is all about W/L. NFL records, try as the commentators might to get us interested, are generally met with a "whoopty-doo", it's kind of neat, but no big deal. I couldn't tell you hardly any NFL record holder the same way I could give you for MLB or NHL.

    and it doesn't help baseball that the players associated with steriods were/are considered the best players of their generation/all time. vonn miller's a beast, but he wasn't the mvp of the league.


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    jake locker!
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    and this bengals/pack game is crazy.



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    RW81233 wrote:
    Funny thing is that Alzado's brain tumor being "caused by" steroids is not as cut and dried as it seems... http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1992-0 ... er-experts

    And this guy isn't all that sympathetic and he's playing today http://deadspin.com/report-aldon-smith- ... 1366687026

    That's why I said "he attributed to steroids" instead of saying steroids caused it. But the point was, when he came out he was dying, and dying of something he said was caused by steroids, so he didn't receive much backlash. He was treated as a tragic figure.

    I'm not sure what Aldon Smith wrecking his car under the influence has to do with steroids. I never said people were more sympathetic towards football players regardless of what they do (though some can commit murder), I was just talking about the "double standard" that was being discussed about football players and baseball players with steroids. Of course I'm not very sympathetic for the guy who got pilled and liquored up then wrecked his car, that's nothing to do with what I was talking about though.
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    I remember Alzado being treated as a tragic figure and just never understanding it...other rumors had it that it was no brain tumor at all but rather he had HIV. Whatever that means.

    Also I think I combined two posts leddbetter said be liked football players better and you said whatever I quoted of yours. Sorry. Point being, I would guess 95-99% of 49er fans everywhere are screaming and yelling for Aldon Smith to sack Andrew Luck as I type this. Same for Texans fans and Brian Cushing. Next year when Ryan Braun steps foot in the batters box Brewer fans will be mixed in their response to him. That's weird to me...and it's gotta be more complex than some of the stuff we've already talked about.
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    RW81233 wrote:
    I remember Alzado being treated as a tragic figure and just never understanding it...other rumors had it that it was no brain tumor at all but rather he had HIV. Whatever that means.

    Also I think I combined two posts leddbetter said be liked football players better and you said whatever I quoted of yours. Sorry. Point being, I would guess 95-99% of 49er fans everywhere are screaming and yelling for Aldon Smith to sack Andrew Luck as I type this. Same for Texans fans and Brian Cushing. Next year when Ryan Braun steps foot in the batters box Brewer fans will be mixed in their response to him. That's weird to me...and it's gotta be more complex than some of the stuff we've already talked about.

    That can probably be said about any city or any sport. Bonds was treated like a hero in SF even when the rest of the country hated him, Canucks fans didn't have a problem with Bertuzzi coming back after he almost killed a guy, and Rangers fans will cheer for Nelson Cruz when he gets back from his suspension, doubtful they'll bring out the giant syringes like they did when Bonds would come to town. Regardless of how sports fans in general hold athletes accountable and to what degree, hometown fans don't always do so. Usually if they do, it's because they already wanted that person out of town anyway. I don't know how they'll react to Ryan Braun, but if he plays well I bet they forget.
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    I like how SD tried kicking the ball to each other at the end, lol
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    Anybody notice that after an 0-3 start "RG3" is just "Griffin" to the media now?
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    SatansFuton wrote:
    Anybody notice that after an 0-3 start "RG3" is just "Griffin" to the media now?

    That's the way it always should have been. What did RG1 and RG2 ever do to warrant him billing himself as RG3? Same with Ted Ginn Sr. and Mel Kiper Sr.
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    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
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    That's the way it always should have been. What did RG1 and RG2 ever do to warrant him billing himself as RG3? Same with Ted Ginn Sr. and Mel Kiper Sr.

    i prefer bob griffin.

    by the way--nice win for your dolphins today. starting to look like a team down there...
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    The Juggler wrote:
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    i prefer bob griffin.

    by the way--nice win for your dolphins today. starting to look like a team down there...

    I know. I couldn't be happier. Let's just say game-winning drives that cover the length of the field were NOT Chad Henne's specialty. I couldn't have been more impressed with Tannehill down the stretch today.
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    The Juggler wrote:

    by the way--nice win for your dolphins today. starting to look like a team down there...
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    Jets bills was one of the worst games ever
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    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
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    That's the way it always should have been. What did RG1 and RG2 ever do to warrant him billing himself as RG3? Same with Ted Ginn Sr. and Mel Kiper Sr.

    Well, RG1 had sex with RG2's mother, then RG2 had sex with RG3's mother.
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