The Death Penalty

pdalowsky wrote:

Bronx Bombers wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

So... the Death Penalty is proving to be an effective deterrent in China?

The US... with its ineffective, cumbersome and limited application... is rendered ineffective?

Is this what you are telling us Bronx?

I find it interesting that this thread is 56 pages long yet there are only 18 posts that reference china. Now considering they're the number one state sponsored death penalty country in the world you would think more people would be concerned with the thousands of people that are being executed over there than a handful in the US. :corn:

People treat the states a little different as a democracy

Some people also live in glass houses

Bronx Bombers wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

So... the Death Penalty is proving to be an effective deterrent in China?

The US... with its ineffective, cumbersome and limited application... is rendered ineffective?

Is this what you are telling us Bronx?

I find it interesting that this thread is 56 pages long yet there are only 18 posts that reference china. Now considering they're the number one state sponsored death penalty country in the world you would think more people would be concerned with the thousands of people that are being executed over there than a handful in the US. :corn:

I think it's easy to deduce why: 99% of the people in this thread are American. And how can you have a free society that kills its own people? that is the ultimate hypocrisy.

Bronx Bombers wrote:

Some people also live in glass houses

I see what you have done here.

i throughly believe the most vile of despicable bastards get full on capital punishment. tax dollars could build parks, flowered bordered sidewalks sprawling cities, added public transit systems where public transit does not exist, medical, dental & eye coverage, better all around health care, the list goes on & on.

the cost of housing & taking care of extremely dangerous folks who have been proven guilty beyond a shadow of doubt is costing the u.s. a fortune. the legal fees alone are through the ceiling. i am talking about the vile, the full on blatant smear your nose in it jerk offs who tell of enjoying how the killed women, children & men & how they love(d) causing agony & how they dream this stuff, 24x7. wake up daydreaming causing suffering & go to sleep dreaming how they can cause horrific damage to others

these very dangerous freaks need meet the death dealer/grim reaper. they can see how they wanna play violence then. for 28 years (dad died when i ws 28) my family was engulfed in the life of a simple, kind, straight up prison guard. at 2pm dad got off work. it was on for prison stories. most are ok or semi ok folks. a small percent are beyond help, are beyond a simple act of violence, these folks are vile monsters.

i am throughly convinced i could shock most of you on here with a few horrific deatiled events. as a father yourself, hugh, you must carry some kind of rage in you if your family were ever damaged, right?

most families cover the nasty details of despicable violence from their children & wives. not here. at 8 years old i was hunting monsters alongside the old man. :twisted:

pdalowsky wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

chadwick wrote:

thirty bills unpaid is so full of common sense & values it is overwhelming yet simplistic.

Cheers, Chadwick. You are very kind to me and I appreciate these words coming from you.

Even as someone sitting across the fence I have been impressed by Thirty Bills posts here. Thought provoking and interesting .. And at all times respectful of the debate

thirty bill unpaid is a kind, respectful brain & soul unlike myself. i could learn a few things from him & from a number of you people

chadwick wrote:

i throughly believe the most vile of despicable bastards get full on capital punishment. tax dollars could build parks, flowered bordered sidewalks sprawling cities, added public transit systems where public transit does not exist, medical, dental & eye coverage, better all around health care, the list goes on & on.

the cost of housing & taking care of extremely dangerous folks who have been proven guilty beyond a shadow of doubt is costing the u.s. a fortune. the legal fees alone are through the ceiling. i am talking about the vile, the full on blatant smear your nose in it jerk offs who tell of enjoying how the killed women, children & men & how they love(d) causing agony & how they dream this stuff, 24x7. wake up daydreaming causing suffering & go to sleep dreaming how they can cause horrific damage to others

as has been stated and proven many times over, the death penalty (after all due dilligence and process) costs more than life in prison.

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

With the aforementioned stated... they don't 'kill' their own people: they hold people accountable and 'sentence' them when they behave badly.

kill: The act of causing the death of a living organism

if you refuse to admit that it's murder, that's fine, but it is a fact that they are killing people. by using the definition of the word, that cannot be disputed.

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

With the aforementioned stated... they don't 'kill' their own people: they hold people accountable and 'sentence' them when they behave badly.

kill: The act of causing the death of a living organism

if you refuse to admit that it's murder, that's fine, but it is a fact that they are killing people. by using the definition of the word, that cannot be disputed.

I guess.

While we're examining words... look at this one:

justice: the administering of deserved punishment or reward.

As in the Cheshire Murders which sparked the last few pages of this thread... exactly what is the 'deserved punishment' for breaking into a house, robbing, raping the occupants (one being 11 years old), igniting the occupants on fire, and burning the house down?

I can see prison terms for fraud, theft, burglary, assault, and other crimes of a less grievous nature... but I cannot see a guy who holds up a gas store serving the same sentence as the two shitbaggers who murdered and raped the three Petit women after bludgeoning the father with a baseball bat beforehand.

Deserved punishment? Death. They don't have to be bludgeoned, raped and burned alive as the Petit family did courtesy of these two asshats... but clinical death is more than 'deserved' in my opinion. And as long as it happens, you can call it whatever you like.

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

chadwick wrote:

iron it out, get rid of all the bullshit & you have 13 cents invested

you do that and the amount of people wrongly convicted and wrongly put to death sky rockets. is that your wish?

The process is flawed beyond belief.

The scumbags caught fleeing the Petit residence were guilty beyond any doubt: there is no reason to trudge along any more.

In the cases where circumstances are not so cut and dry... proceed with caution.

So... what should this more efficient model look like with those two parameters? I'm not sure. But you would have to think that experts that have committed their careers and lives to the field would be able to come up with something better if they were inclined to do so.

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

The process is flawed beyond belief.

The scumbags caught fleeing the Petit residence were guilty beyond any doubt: there is no reason to trudge along any more.

In the cases where circumstances are not so cut and dry... proceed with caution.

So... what should this more efficient model look like with those two parameters? I'm not sure. But you would have to think that experts that have committed their careers and lives to the field would be able to come up with something better if they were inclined to do so.

to me that doesn't even matter. if there was zero percent chance that they'd be wrongly convicted/put to death, I'd still advocate against it.

my point to chad is he seems to think it is cheaper to put someone down than house them for life, and as predicted, he seems to think it is as easy as the jury convicting the man one minute, and the next minute putting a bullet in their brain. without exhausting the appeals process and whatnot, you rob endless innocent men of their lives.

does that burning alive case sicken me? you have no idea. don't think for a moment that I "sympathize" with the perps just because I don't think it's right to kill them. I find that insulting.

anyway, there's nothing new in this thread. it's just one big circle jerk. and I'm feeling a bit chafed.