whilst those courts 'couldn't turn a blind eye' I truly hope that means the authorities in India also decide not to do so moving forward.
the case stinks of hypocrisy in a damaged legal system, and the hanging out to dry (pardon the expression) due to the world attention being focused on this particular case - therefore these men being made an example of.
believe me I find them vile, disgusting and offensive, how any fellow human being can act towards another in the way they did is repulsive in its very nature, but there has to be consistency in the system, and from what I have read about India - it is very much missing.
Still, a worst, todays sentence may prove to deter this kind of behaviour in the future .....MAY. I do hope that is the case.
I just hope these mens allegations were not true of the way they were handled by the police, and that their convictions were sound......
I would agree with you that these men are being made examples of to some degree. Given their brutality... I still don't feel anything for them. Nobody held a gun to their head and forced them to do what they did... they did what they did with great pleasure and that level of depravity and indifference towards human life is beyond words.
I think the entire case might also have the effect you describe of applying some pressure to the brakes of a culture that seems to think very little of rape.
For the rest of the world it is hard to understand how a man who has murdered 77 people can be given such a lenient sentence - and be allowed to study at the tax payer's expense at one of the country's finest universities.
Yes. Very hard to understand. Here's a country that doesn't have the death penalty, yet it produced one of the earth's worst mass murderers on record. I thought these kinds of people only developed in the barbaric countries?
Good point.
I would imagine many who are against the death penalty would be horrified by this sentence.
whilst those courts 'couldn't turn a blind eye' I truly hope that means the authorities in India also decide not to do so moving forward.
the case stinks of hypocrisy in a damaged legal system, and the hanging out to dry (pardon the expression) due to the world attention being focused on this particular case - therefore these men being made an example of.
believe me I find them vile, disgusting and offensive, how any fellow human being can act towards another in the way they did is repulsive in its very nature, but there has to be consistency in the system, and from what I have read about India - it is very much missing.
Still, a worst, todays sentence may prove to deter this kind of behaviour in the future .....MAY. I do hope that is the case.
I just hope these mens allegations were not true of the way they were handled by the police, and that their convictions were sound......
I would agree with you that these men are being made examples of to some degree. Given their brutality... I still don't feel anything for them. Nobody held a gun to their head and forced them to do what they did... they did what they did with great pleasure and that level of depravity and indifference towards human life is beyond words.
I think the entire case might also have the effect you describe of applying some pressure to the brakes of a culture that seems to think very little of rape.
we can only hope
and re these men, im half inclined to agree with you - why should we care about their feelings when they so blatantly disregarded those of their victims.
Its never as simple as that however, and due to the system over there, the way of life, the culture, the attitudes towards women that has been historical, although I feel nothing but disgust towards them, I wouldn't support their hanging.
It is a sad state of affairs however that to get the change that is so desperately needed, to get that shock factor that can change an attitude that is so entrenched, men have to hang as an example to all.......
For the rest of the world it is hard to understand how a man who has murdered 77 people can be given such a lenient sentence - and be allowed to study at the tax payer's expense at one of the country's finest universities.
Yes. Very hard to understand. Here's a country that doesn't have the death penalty, yet it produced one of the earth's worst mass murderers on record. I thought these kinds of people only developed in the barbaric countries?
Good point.
I would imagine many who are against the death penalty would be horrified by this sentence.
Did even you read the article I posted above? Or did you read it and blank out all the information that doesn't fit your agenda?
For the rest of the world it is hard to understand how a man who has murdered 77 people can be given such a lenient sentence - and be allowed to study at the tax payer's expense at one of the country's finest universities.
Yes. Very hard to understand. Here's a country that doesn't have the death penalty, yet it produced one of the earth's worst mass murderers on record. I thought these kinds of people only developed in the barbaric countries?
Good point.
I would imagine many who are against the death penalty would be horrified by this sentence.
Did even you read the article I posted above? Or did you read it and blank out all the information that doesn't fit your agenda?
I read it. I acknowledged the principles behind the university's position. I'm just in opposition to that way of thinking. I don't think a guy who goes and kills 77 kids should be in the position to receive state funded education at a university. He's not a citizen anymore. He denounced his citizenship when he didn't act like one and shot and killed all those young, innocent people.
I mean, seriously... it's one thing to spare his life in light of his gross atrocities... it's quite another to roll out the red carpet for him.
I read it. I acknowledged the principles behind the university's position. I'm just in opposition to that way of thinking. I don't think a guy who goes and kills 77 kids should be in the position to receive state funded education at a university. He's not a citizen anymore. He denounced his citizenship when he didn't act like one and shot and killed all those young, innocent people.
I mean, seriously... it's one thing to spare his life in light of his gross atrocities... it's quite another to roll out the red carpet for him.
Except he's not having a red carpet rolled out for him. And he won't be setting foot in any university. With any luck he'll realize what a deranged bastard he was murdering all those people. He'll have to spend the rest of his life living with what he did. Death would be too easy for him.
Though I can fully understand why anyone would think he deserves to get nothing. Though it does place the society he lives in on a much higher footing than him, as opposed to the easy option of resorting to a further act of violence by executing him. It''ll be interesting to see how it turns out many years down the line.
I read it. I acknowledged the principles behind the university's position. I'm just in opposition to that way of thinking. I don't think a guy who goes and kills 77 kids should be in the position to receive state funded education at a university. He's not a citizen anymore. He denounced his citizenship when he didn't act like one and shot and killed all those young, innocent people.
I mean, seriously... it's one thing to spare his life in light of his gross atrocities... it's quite another to roll out the red carpet for him.
Except he's not having a red carpet rolled out for him. And he won't be setting foot in any university. With any luck he'll realize what a deranged bastard he was murdering all those people. He'll have to spend the rest of his life living with what he did. Death would be too easy for him.
Though I can fully understand why anyone would think he deserves to get nothing. Though it does place the society he lives in on a much higher footing than him, as opposed to the easy option of resorting to a further act of violence by executing him. It''ll be interesting to see how it turns out many years down the line.
You might be right.
I'm curious as to your last statement: what do you mean by interesting to see how it turns out many years down the line? How do you hope it turns out?
I'm curious as to your last statement: what do you mean by interesting to see how it turns out many years down the line? How do you hope it turns out?
I mean, whether he'll ever realize just what he did and the pain he caused. Whether he'll come to regret what he did and seek forgiveness from the family members, and members of Norwegian citizens in general. or if he'll continue spouting his racist bullshit till the day he dies.
I'm curious as to your last statement: what do you mean by interesting to see how it turns out many years down the line? How do you hope it turns out?
I mean, whether he'll ever realize just what he did and the pain he caused. Whether he'll come to regret what he did and seek forgiveness from the family members, and members of Norwegian citizens in general. or if he'll continue spouting his racist bullshit till the day he dies.
Ultimately... does it matter?
I'm not saying you are suggesting this (although you might be), but can we call his imprisonment and generous prison conditions- which includes a free education on the taxpayers' dime- a success if the maniac finally determines for himself that he was wrong to murder 77 young people in cold blood?
He is scheduled to serve 21 years for killing 77 people. I'm sorry, but that is laughable.
Norway educates their people for free as an investment in their country. This is a solid national program that other countries would do well to emulate, but how is educating it's worst criminal an investment? I mean... how exactly is Breivik going to contribute after receiving such a 'gift'?
I'm not saying you are suggesting this (although you might be), but can we call his imprisonment and generous prison conditions- which includes a free education on the taxpayers' dime- a success if the maniac finally determines for himself that he was wrong to murder 77 young people in cold blood?
He is scheduled to serve 21 years for killing 77 people. I'm sorry, but that is laughable.
Norway educates their people for free as an investment in their country. This is a solid national program that other countries would do well to emulate, but how is educating it's worst criminal an investment? I mean... how exactly is Breivik going to contribute after receiving such a 'gift'?
No, 'success' doesn't come into the equation.
As for him conributing to society, nobody's expecting him to. He will simply be made to live with the burden of responsibility for what he did. That's all.
And it's highly unlikely he'l be allowed to walk free after 21 years. There are clauses that apply which will prevent that from happening.
I'm not saying you are suggesting this (although you might be), but can we call his imprisonment and generous prison conditions- which includes a free education on the taxpayers' dime- a success if the maniac finally determines for himself that he was wrong to murder 77 young people in cold blood?
He is scheduled to serve 21 years for killing 77 people. I'm sorry, but that is laughable.
Norway educates their people for free as an investment in their country. This is a solid national program that other countries would do well to emulate, but how is educating it's worst criminal an investment? I mean... how exactly is Breivik going to contribute after receiving such a 'gift'?
No, 'success' doesn't come into the equation.
As for him conributing to society, nobody's expecting him to. He will simply be made to live with the burden of responsibility for what he did. That's all.
And it's highly unlikely he'l be allowed to walk free after 21 years. There are clauses that apply which will prevent that from happening.
If Norway 'walks the walk' as the diligent and concerted effort makers towards rehabilitating their criminals... don't be surprised if he walks after 21 years. If Breivik makes any effort to convince some eager official or eager panel of officials that he is sorry... he'll be strolling around as a free man.
If he fails to convince anyone that he's sorry... it shouldn't be too bad though: Norway believes in making time served behind bars for murderers quite comfortable:
"... Bastoey, an open prison 45 miles south of the Norwegian capital. It is home to about 115 detainees, including murderers, rapists and other felons, who enjoy activities not usually associated with prisons. In summer, they can improve their backhand on the tennis court, ride a horse in the forest and hit the beach for a swim. In winter, they can go cross-country skiing or participate in the prison's ski-jumping competition."
As to creature comforts believe minimum to keep Inmates sane to limit costs to taxpayers. So if that
Means tv, decent food and socilization so be it nothing' else. For minor offenses training for release is good. Still though not killing them which goes against being civilized
27 years in prison...and then what? This man is free to walk the earth and further pursue his sick fantasies? What do we say to a parent whose child becomes his victim then?
WORCESTER - Child pornographer Geoffrey Portway, who asked a Kansas man to kidnap a child for him so he could torture, kill, cook, and eat the child in a sound-proof dungeon he built in his basement, today was sentenced to nearly 27 years in federal prison.
Portway, a 40-year-old citizen of the United Kingdom, was also ordered to pay $15,000 in restitution to five children he victimized as part of his participation in the dissemination of child pornography that included 4,500 documented times he shared images with others, according to court records.
In court, Assistant US Attorney Stacy Dawson Belf said Portway was a man determined to torture and cannibalize children, but defense attorney Richard Sweeney said the Worcester resident was a man with “issues’’ who only engaged in fantasy role-playing on the Internet.
But Dawson Belf told US District Court Judge Timothy Hillman that investigators from the US Department of Homeland Security were fortunate to have discovered Portway through a sweeping child pornography investigation when they did.
“The seriousness of these crimes cannot be overstated,’’ she said in court. “He sought to kidnap, rape, cannibalize and murder a child. He makes clear that he is not about role playing. He was caught by investigators in the nick of time.’’
In a sentencing recommendation filed by US Attorney Carmen Ortiz’s office, prosecutors said DHS investigators followed Internet traffic to Portway’s Worcester home, which they raided in July 2012.
Investigators discovered a massive cache of child pornography, including 20,000 images of children being violently sexually abused as well as images of dead children, along with information that showed Portway was in electronic chat rooms discussing murdering and eating children.
Inside the home, they also discovered the sound-proofed dungeon hidden behind two locked doors in the basement. In that small space, they found a child-sized homemade coffin, a child-sized metal cage topped by a steel plate with six places for restraints, butchering kits, castration tools, two freezers, and disposable scalpels.
Federal prosecutors said they also discovered Internet conversations between Portway and a Kansas man, since identified as Michael Arnett, during which the men discussed Portway’s request that Arnett kidnap a child for Portway to torture, murder and cannibalize.
“That is all I live for. I am serious,’’ Portway wrote in one posting when discussing his plans for kidnapped children. “It is the only thing that gets me up in the morning.’’
The guy finally confesses to the crime before being executed. His words were reasonable (to my shame...).
I found this interesting: As stocks of the usual lethal injection drug dwindle, most US states that carry out executions are turning to new drugs. This is sparking lawsuits from death row prisoners that the changes will cause undue suffering.
So, if I have this right, the death row prisoners are worried about undue suffering? The irony here is rich.
I'm not saying I want them to suffer any more than they have to before going away; but I am wondering how one can even think about complaining for being treated poorly after one has kidnapped, raped, and murdered women?
Taking pride in one's work is of course, a good thing, but then the interview take a turn into the truly weird.
Says Al-Nabi:
"When I was young – about 13 or 14 years old – the dry Ismailiya Canal in Shubra Al-Kheima still had water in it. My hobby was to catch a cat, to place a rope around its neck, to strangle it, and throw it into the water. I would get hold of any animal – even dogs. I would strangle these animals and throw them into the water – even dogs."
Al-Nabi called strangling "a gift" he had, in addition to calling it his "hobby."
Being responsible for placing a noose around at least 800 heads might give some people pause, but Egypt's chief executioner is not one of those people
"I love my work. I just love it!" he says in Arabic. "I never say 'no' when they need me to work. This is my work and my livelihood."
Taking pride in one's work is of course, a good thing, but then the interview take a turn into the truly weird.
Says Al-Nabi:
"When I was young – about 13 or 14 years old – the dry Ismailiya Canal in Shubra Al-Kheima still had water in it. My hobby was to catch a cat, to place a rope around its neck, to strangle it, and throw it into the water. I would get hold of any animal – even dogs. I would strangle these animals and throw them into the water – even dogs."
Al-Nabi called strangling "a gift" he had, in addition to calling it his "hobby."
Being responsible for placing a noose around at least 800 heads might give some people pause, but Egypt's chief executioner is not one of those people
"I love my work. I just love it!" he says in Arabic. "I never say 'no' when they need me to work. This is my work and my livelihood."
Sign off on a deal that sees his organs successfully taken and then carry out the penalty upon doing so. Hire a bunch of lawyers and court workers to come in a haggle over legal terminology- at great cost to the state- and then proceed.
After raping and murdering a 3 year old in 1993... it's time.
Sign off on a deal that sees his organs successfully taken and then carry out the penalty upon doing so. Hire a bunch of lawyers and court workers to come in a haggle over legal terminology- at great cost to the state- and then proceed.
After raping and murdering a 3 year old in 1993... it's time.
im pretty sure the drugs used in the execution would render the organs unusable
Sign off on a deal that sees his organs successfully taken and then carry out the penalty upon doing so. Hire a bunch of lawyers and court workers to come in a haggle over legal terminology- at great cost to the state- and then proceed.
After raping and murdering a 3 year old in 1993... it's time.
im pretty sure the drugs used in the execution would render the organs unusable
But they have to do various tests for compatibility first and make the necessary preparations for the actual operation with both parties....
Yes.
And I'm in agreement with what is being suggested. It makes sense.
The hurdle is the legalities and I don't know enough about that to really make a comment other than to say things can be a lot simpler if we allowed them to be.
Washington state to suspend death penalty by governor's moratorium
‘There are too many flaws in this system,’ Governor Jay Inslee says as he announces stay on capital punishment
Kristen Millares Young in Seattle theguardian.com, Tuesday 11 February 2014
The execution chamber at the Washington State Penitentiary is shown as viewed from the witness gallery, in Walla Walla. The execution chamber at the Washington State Penitentiary is shown as viewed from the witness gallery, in Walla Walla. Photograph: Ted S Warren/AP
The governor of Washington state has suspended the use of the death penalty for the rest of his time in office.
Jay Inslee, a first-term Democrat, said that the system was flawed, and that the death penalty was applied inconsistently.
“Equal justice under the law is the state’s primary responsibility. And in death penalty cases I’m not convinced equal justice is being served,” he said. “The use of the death penalty in this state is unequally applied, sometimes dependent on the budget of the county where the crime occurred.”
While crediting the “good protections built into Washington state’s death penalty law”, Inslee said “there have been too many doubts raised about capital punishment” as well as “too many flaws in the system”.
Although he visited the Washington state Penitentiary in Walla Walla, an agricultural, wine tourism and college town in eastern Washington, Inslee said his decision was not about the nine men who were on death row there for horrific rapes and murders of victims as young as three years old.
“I don’t question their guilt or the gravity of their crimes,” he said. “They get no mercy from me.”
His decision on Tuesday to issue a moratorium on executions in Washington does not mean death row inmates will receive pardons or commuted sentences; they will remain in prison for life.
This would cost the state less, Inslee said, due in part to the tremendous legal fees involved in managing trials and an appeals process that has overturned 60% of the 32 capital offence convictions issued since 1981 in Washington state.
“Basically the death penalty is very costly – lifetime incarceration without parole is less expensive,” said Kathleen Taylor, the executive director of the Washington branch of the American Civil Liberties Union, which supports Inslee’s decision. “Also it’s applied unevenly – people with less income and less money to spend on their defence are more likely to get the death penalty, and whether or not someone gets the death penalty can depend on which county their crime occurs in.”
A Republican state senator Kirk Pearson, said the law and justice committee, on which he serves, was not consulted prior to Inslee’s announcement. “It’s an insult to the families of victims who have died heinous deaths at the hands of those sitting on death row,” Pearson said. “We have people who have committed horrible crimes and families that need closure. With this there is no closure.”
Citing the state supreme court justice Charles Johnson, who wrote in 2006 that the death penalty randomly strikes “some offenders and not others”, Inslee said the death penalty had not been shown to deter murder and was not always applied to the “most heinous offenders”.
Unless a legislative measure is passed to abolish the death penalty in Washington state, which would be the 19th state to do so, Inslee’s decision may not hold once he has left office and it does not prevent men convicted of capital offences from appealing against their convictions.
The Kitsap county prosecutor, Russ Hauge, has been pursuing the death penalty for inmate Jonathan Lee Gentry, who was sent to death row in 1988 for the murder of a 12-year-old girl.
“The governor’s announcement didn’t really change anything,” Hauge said. “It’s not going to change our workload or our obligations in any way. Since Mr Gentry has never accepted responsibility for his crime, we must maintain our part of the action, or there is the chance we would lose the conviction.”
Hauge said that, in his conversations with the governor, it had never been suggested that prosecutors were exercising their discretion unfairly, but rather that some counties did not have the budget to pursue the death penalty. A capital sentence could result in millions of dollars in costs per case. “Smaller counties would be looking at a potential bill for death penalty prosecution in the nature of their general county’s entire budget,” he said. “The financial considerations are real.”
Still, Hauge said, Inslee’s decision did not change the legislative mandate that “in the right cases, prosecutors seek the death penalty. In net effect what Inslee is saying is that ‘while I’m governor I am going to hold up actual execution of the sentence’. But it doesn’t change anything else about the process.”
I'm still against it. And not because there are flaws in the system, but because getting revenge is wrong and I think people who seek it are no better than those who did the initial act.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I'm still against it. And not because there are flaws in the system, but because getting revenge is wrong and I think people who seek it are no better than those who did the initial act.
correct... the savages though can take heart in the fact that prison is worse than death. prison is a life of fear and pain, and many prisoners take their own lives to escape it. this should sate your bloodlust.
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I would agree with you that these men are being made examples of to some degree. Given their brutality... I still don't feel anything for them. Nobody held a gun to their head and forced them to do what they did... they did what they did with great pleasure and that level of depravity and indifference towards human life is beyond words.
I think the entire case might also have the effect you describe of applying some pressure to the brakes of a culture that seems to think very little of rape.
Good point.
I would imagine many who are against the death penalty would be horrified by this sentence.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
we can only hope
and re these men, im half inclined to agree with you - why should we care about their feelings when they so blatantly disregarded those of their victims.
Its never as simple as that however, and due to the system over there, the way of life, the culture, the attitudes towards women that has been historical, although I feel nothing but disgust towards them, I wouldn't support their hanging.
It is a sad state of affairs however that to get the change that is so desperately needed, to get that shock factor that can change an attitude that is so entrenched, men have to hang as an example to all.......
Did even you read the article I posted above? Or did you read it and blank out all the information that doesn't fit your agenda?
I read it. I acknowledged the principles behind the university's position. I'm just in opposition to that way of thinking. I don't think a guy who goes and kills 77 kids should be in the position to receive state funded education at a university. He's not a citizen anymore. He denounced his citizenship when he didn't act like one and shot and killed all those young, innocent people.
I mean, seriously... it's one thing to spare his life in light of his gross atrocities... it's quite another to roll out the red carpet for him.
Except he's not having a red carpet rolled out for him. And he won't be setting foot in any university. With any luck he'll realize what a deranged bastard he was murdering all those people. He'll have to spend the rest of his life living with what he did. Death would be too easy for him.
Though I can fully understand why anyone would think he deserves to get nothing. Though it does place the society he lives in on a much higher footing than him, as opposed to the easy option of resorting to a further act of violence by executing him. It''ll be interesting to see how it turns out many years down the line.
You might be right.
I'm curious as to your last statement: what do you mean by interesting to see how it turns out many years down the line? How do you hope it turns out?
I mean, whether he'll ever realize just what he did and the pain he caused. Whether he'll come to regret what he did and seek forgiveness from the family members, and members of Norwegian citizens in general. or if he'll continue spouting his racist bullshit till the day he dies.
Ultimately... does it matter?
I'm not saying you are suggesting this (although you might be), but can we call his imprisonment and generous prison conditions- which includes a free education on the taxpayers' dime- a success if the maniac finally determines for himself that he was wrong to murder 77 young people in cold blood?
He is scheduled to serve 21 years for killing 77 people. I'm sorry, but that is laughable.
Norway educates their people for free as an investment in their country. This is a solid national program that other countries would do well to emulate, but how is educating it's worst criminal an investment? I mean... how exactly is Breivik going to contribute after receiving such a 'gift'?
No, 'success' doesn't come into the equation.
As for him conributing to society, nobody's expecting him to. He will simply be made to live with the burden of responsibility for what he did. That's all.
And it's highly unlikely he'l be allowed to walk free after 21 years. There are clauses that apply which will prevent that from happening.
If Norway 'walks the walk' as the diligent and concerted effort makers towards rehabilitating their criminals... don't be surprised if he walks after 21 years. If Breivik makes any effort to convince some eager official or eager panel of officials that he is sorry... he'll be strolling around as a free man.
If he fails to convince anyone that he's sorry... it shouldn't be too bad though: Norway believes in making time served behind bars for murderers quite comfortable:
"... Bastoey, an open prison 45 miles south of the Norwegian capital. It is home to about 115 detainees, including murderers, rapists and other felons, who enjoy activities not usually associated with prisons. In summer, they can improve their backhand on the tennis court, ride a horse in the forest and hit the beach for a swim. In winter, they can go cross-country skiing or participate in the prison's ski-jumping competition."
Utterly ridiculous.
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/euro ... pen-prison
Means tv, decent food and socilization so be it nothing' else. For minor offenses training for release is good. Still though not killing them which goes against being civilized
http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/09 ... story.html
WORCESTER - Child pornographer Geoffrey Portway, who asked a Kansas man to kidnap a child for him so he could torture, kill, cook, and eat the child in a sound-proof dungeon he built in his basement, today was sentenced to nearly 27 years in federal prison.
Portway, a 40-year-old citizen of the United Kingdom, was also ordered to pay $15,000 in restitution to five children he victimized as part of his participation in the dissemination of child pornography that included 4,500 documented times he shared images with others, according to court records.
In court, Assistant US Attorney Stacy Dawson Belf said Portway was a man determined to torture and cannibalize children, but defense attorney Richard Sweeney said the Worcester resident was a man with “issues’’ who only engaged in fantasy role-playing on the Internet.
But Dawson Belf told US District Court Judge Timothy Hillman that investigators from the US Department of Homeland Security were fortunate to have discovered Portway through a sweeping child pornography investigation when they did.
“The seriousness of these crimes cannot be overstated,’’ she said in court. “He sought to kidnap, rape, cannibalize and murder a child. He makes clear that he is not about role playing. He was caught by investigators in the nick of time.’’
In a sentencing recommendation filed by US Attorney Carmen Ortiz’s office, prosecutors said DHS investigators followed Internet traffic to Portway’s Worcester home, which they raided in July 2012.
Investigators discovered a massive cache of child pornography, including 20,000 images of children being violently sexually abused as well as images of dead children, along with information that showed Portway was in electronic chat rooms discussing murdering and eating children.
Inside the home, they also discovered the sound-proofed dungeon hidden behind two locked doors in the basement. In that small space, they found a child-sized homemade coffin, a child-sized metal cage topped by a steel plate with six places for restraints, butchering kits, castration tools, two freezers, and disposable scalpels.
Federal prosecutors said they also discovered Internet conversations between Portway and a Kansas man, since identified as Michael Arnett, during which the men discussed Portway’s request that Arnett kidnap a child for Portway to torture, murder and cannibalize.
“That is all I live for. I am serious,’’ Portway wrote in one posting when discussing his plans for kidnapped children. “It is the only thing that gets me up in the morning.’’
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/us-murderer-co ... ml#QcBafnn
The guy finally confesses to the crime before being executed. His words were reasonable (to my shame...).
I found this interesting: As stocks of the usual lethal injection drug dwindle, most US states that carry out executions are turning to new drugs. This is sparking lawsuits from death row prisoners that the changes will cause undue suffering.
So, if I have this right, the death row prisoners are worried about undue suffering? The irony here is rich.
I'm not saying I want them to suffer any more than they have to before going away; but I am wondering how one can even think about complaining for being treated poorly after one has kidnapped, raped, and murdered women?
Taking pride in one's work is of course, a good thing, but then the interview take a turn into the truly weird.
Says Al-Nabi:
"When I was young – about 13 or 14 years old – the dry Ismailiya Canal in Shubra Al-Kheima still had water in it. My hobby was to catch a cat, to place a rope around its neck, to strangle it, and throw it into the water. I would get hold of any animal – even dogs. I would strangle these animals and throw them into the water – even dogs."
Al-Nabi called strangling "a gift" he had, in addition to calling it his "hobby."
Being responsible for placing a noose around at least 800 heads might give some people pause, but Egypt's chief executioner is not one of those people
"I love my work. I just love it!" he says in Arabic. "I never say 'no' when they need me to work. This is my work and my livelihood."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/egypt-ex ... z2jIvrWjL9
Strangling animals as a youth.
I have a feeling that one way or another this guy's destiny was a noose.
he sounds deranged and he is the top executioner
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24939105
Sign off on a deal that sees his organs successfully taken and then carry out the penalty upon doing so. Hire a bunch of lawyers and court workers to come in a haggle over legal terminology- at great cost to the state- and then proceed.
After raping and murdering a 3 year old in 1993... it's time.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/11/12 ... ign-films/
The fine people running things in north korea don't mess around
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
im pretty sure the drugs used in the execution would render the organs unusable
Take organs first.
But they have to do various tests for compatibility first and make the necessary preparations for the actual operation with both parties....
Yes.
And I'm in agreement with what is being suggested. It makes sense.
The hurdle is the legalities and I don't know enough about that to really make a comment other than to say things can be a lot simpler if we allowed them to be.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/12 ... manno.html
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Washington state to suspend death penalty by governor's moratorium
‘There are too many flaws in this system,’ Governor Jay Inslee says as he announces stay on capital punishment
Kristen Millares Young in Seattle
theguardian.com, Tuesday 11 February 2014
The execution chamber at the Washington State Penitentiary is shown as viewed from the witness gallery, in Walla Walla. The execution chamber at the Washington State Penitentiary is shown as viewed from the witness gallery, in Walla Walla. Photograph: Ted S Warren/AP
The governor of Washington state has suspended the use of the death penalty for the rest of his time in office.
Jay Inslee, a first-term Democrat, said that the system was flawed, and that the death penalty was applied inconsistently.
“Equal justice under the law is the state’s primary responsibility. And in death penalty cases I’m not convinced equal justice is being served,” he said. “The use of the death penalty in this state is unequally applied, sometimes dependent on the budget of the county where the crime occurred.”
While crediting the “good protections built into Washington state’s death penalty law”, Inslee said “there have been too many doubts raised about capital punishment” as well as “too many flaws in the system”.
Although he visited the Washington state Penitentiary in Walla Walla, an agricultural, wine tourism and college town in eastern Washington, Inslee said his decision was not about the nine men who were on death row there for horrific rapes and murders of victims as young as three years old.
“I don’t question their guilt or the gravity of their crimes,” he said. “They get no mercy from me.”
His decision on Tuesday to issue a moratorium on executions in Washington does not mean death row inmates will receive pardons or commuted sentences; they will remain in prison for life.
This would cost the state less, Inslee said, due in part to the tremendous legal fees involved in managing trials and an appeals process that has overturned 60% of the 32 capital offence convictions issued since 1981 in Washington state.
“Basically the death penalty is very costly – lifetime incarceration without parole is less expensive,” said Kathleen Taylor, the executive director of the Washington branch of the American Civil Liberties Union, which supports Inslee’s decision. “Also it’s applied unevenly – people with less income and less money to spend on their defence are more likely to get the death penalty, and whether or not someone gets the death penalty can depend on which county their crime occurs in.”
A Republican state senator Kirk Pearson, said the law and justice committee, on which he serves, was not consulted prior to Inslee’s announcement. “It’s an insult to the families of victims who have died heinous deaths at the hands of those sitting on death row,” Pearson said. “We have people who have committed horrible crimes and families that need closure. With this there is no closure.”
Citing the state supreme court justice Charles Johnson, who wrote in 2006 that the death penalty randomly strikes “some offenders and not others”, Inslee said the death penalty had not been shown to deter murder and was not always applied to the “most heinous offenders”.
Unless a legislative measure is passed to abolish the death penalty in Washington state, which would be the 19th state to do so, Inslee’s decision may not hold once he has left office and it does not prevent men convicted of capital offences from appealing against their convictions.
The Kitsap county prosecutor, Russ Hauge, has been pursuing the death penalty for inmate Jonathan Lee Gentry, who was sent to death row in 1988 for the murder of a 12-year-old girl.
“The governor’s announcement didn’t really change anything,” Hauge said. “It’s not going to change our workload or our obligations in any way. Since Mr Gentry has never accepted responsibility for his crime, we must maintain our part of the action, or there is the chance we would lose the conviction.”
Hauge said that, in his conversations with the governor, it had never been suggested that prosecutors were exercising their discretion unfairly, but rather that some counties did not have the budget to pursue the death penalty. A capital sentence could result in millions of dollars in costs per case. “Smaller counties would be looking at a potential bill for death penalty prosecution in the nature of their general county’s entire budget,” he said. “The financial considerations are real.”
Still, Hauge said, Inslee’s decision did not change the legislative mandate that “in the right cases, prosecutors seek the death penalty. In net effect what Inslee is saying is that ‘while I’m governor I am going to hold up actual execution of the sentence’. But it doesn’t change anything else about the process.”
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
the savages though can take heart in the fact that prison is worse than death. prison is a life of fear and pain, and many prisoners take their own lives to escape it. this should sate your bloodlust.