I$ it ju$t me....?

Kelly Leak · July 2013

JimmyV wrote:

Kelly Leak wrote:

I am all for merch. I love my tee's. I have one and still wear my shirt from No Code tour. Let's just put it this way, if the band that I fell in love with in 1992 sold playing cards at their merch stand I would have severed our relationship upon seeing this.

I know the band doesn't decide on exactly what goes up for sale, but I don't like what is currently available. We are a heartbeat away from pearl jam sneakers....oh wait, they have those already.

You would have stopped listening to a band you enjoyed in 1992 if they sold playing cards? How ridiculous is that? What does playing cards have to do with the music you enjoyed?

That's my point exactly

JimmyV · July 2013

Kelly Leak wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Kelly Leak wrote:

I am all for merch. I love my tee's. I have one and still wear my shirt from No Code tour. Let's just put it this way, if the band that I fell in love with in 1992 sold playing cards at their merch stand I would have severed our relationship upon seeing this.

I know the band doesn't decide on exactly what goes up for sale, but I don't like what is currently available. We are a heartbeat away from pearl jam sneakers....oh wait, they have those already.

You would have stopped listening to a band you enjoyed in 1992 if they sold playing cards? How ridiculous is that? What does playing cards have to do with the music you enjoyed?

That's my point exactly

Your point being that playing cards would have prevented you from loving the music? That is ridiculous.

rssesq · July 2013

Dont blame the band. Blame the wives.

j/k ladies

sort of

AzWicker · July 2013

Sponsor free band... This band signed with Sony for 10 years+

Parksy · July 2013

without a doubt... they're gouging.

I'm happy they're keeping their tickets relatively low compared to other big name bands.

But the merch is ridiculously expensive. T-shirts, DVDs, Vinyl, dog collars.

I think the problem is they aren't big enough as a company to manufacture and distribute the items they are selling. because of that, costs are handed to the fans.

See 'Limited Edition PJ20 Blu Ray' as an example. I don't think it's working either. A few years ago I pretty much bought everything they sold. Nowadays, there is no way I would buy most items on here. Even albums. I used to make it a point to buy or pre purchase a new album from 10C. Mostly to support the club.

Then they decided to sell 'limited edition 10C only backspacer and avocado' to get people to buy from them. Both products were shit. And to pay $10 + shipping. It became easier to buy from major outlets where I could save some money.

MayDay10 · July 2013

I wish they put out more video content

Kelly Leak · July 2013

[/quote]Your point being that playing cards would have prevented you from loving the music? That is ridiculous.[/quote]

Respectfully, NO, that wasn't my point. You actually made my point. 'What does playing cards have to do with music you enjoyed?' You said that, right?

For some reason as I get older, I have fewer and fewer things that I am passionate about. Pearl Jam has always filled a spot for me in the passion department. I have held on through all of it. I don't ask for much either. I have put it on my calendar each year to renew my 19 year VHC membership. I stood on line at midnight to purchase VS. before it even had the name VS...my cassette copy was printed prior to the official naming of the album. I know what you are going to say, who cares? right? I don't blame you. But with all this passing time there have been changes to the 'thing' that I am passionate about. Am I any less of a fan if I don't approve of dog collars, playing cars, ipad cases, bottle openers, etc....? Pearl Jam is not a brand to me. Eddie Vedder is not a brand to me. Sorry, that's just how I feel.

I am not a major contributor on here. I am not charismatic enough to have anyone want to meet me at a pre-party fundraiser or some pre-show meet up. However, I do know good music. And selling $40 dog collars doesn't have anything to do with good music.

Kelly Leak · July 2013

AzWicker wrote:

Sponsor free band... This band signed with Sony for 10 years+

Tongue and Cheek, Brah...Check it

http://youtu.be/zOAzJFd4KDA

somebodyelsessky2020 · July 2013

I suggest staying out of the goods section.

All bands sell "stuff"

The Beatles sold pieces of their hair.

I don't see any of this merch as being a brand. However if they made pearl jam / ed vedder wine or beer I'd probably try it and that I suppose would be a "brand"

Pearl Jam jelly for pb&j sammys may be good too. Made from fruit of course, no bodily fluids

JimmyV · July 2013

Kelly Leak wrote:

Your point being that playing cards would have prevented you from loving the music? That is ridiculous.[/quote]

Respectfully, NO, that wasn't my point. You actually made my point. 'What does playing cards have to do with music you enjoyed?' You said that, right?

For some reason as I get older, I have fewer and fewer things that I am passionate about. Pearl Jam has always filled a spot for me in the passion department. I have held on through all of it. I don't ask for much either. I have put it on my calendar each year to renew my 19 year VHC membership. I stood on line at midnight to purchase VS. before it even had the name VS...my cassette copy was printed prior to the official naming of the album. I know what you are going to say, who cares? right? I don't blame you. But with all this passing time there have been changes to the 'thing' that I am passionate about. Am I any less of a fan if I don't approve of dog collars, playing cars, ipad cases, bottle openers, etc....? Pearl Jam is not a brand to me. Eddie Vedder is not a brand to me. Sorry, that's just how I feel.

I am not a major contributor on here. I am not charismatic enough to have anyone want to meet me at a pre-party fundraiser or some pre-show meet up. However, I do know good music. And selling $40 dog collars doesn't have anything to do with good music.[/quote]

What you said was:

Kelly Leak wrote:

I am all for merch. I love my tee's. I have one and still wear my shirt from No Code tour. Let's just put it this way, if the band that I fell in love with in 1992 sold playing cards at their merch stand I would have severed our relationship upon seeing this.

I know the band doesn't decide on exactly what goes up for sale, but I don't like what is currently available. We are a heartbeat away from pearl jam sneakers....oh wait, they have those already.

How would playing cards have ever caused you to sever your relationship with a band you loved? I am sorry to say but that makes no sense. It is one thing to say there is too much merch. It is another to say you would have stopped following the band if they had something as trivial as a deck of playing cards for sale.

PJ_Soul · July 2013

Getting those shirts printed isn't THAT cheap, and then they have to pay for all the shipping and all the staff, etc etc. It seems like a perfectly normal price to me - I've never seen a concert t-shirt for much less than that in recent years, and the shipping is free for those who bought it off the website.

Otherwise, there are fans who clamour for all this merch, so they provide it and make money (money that they no longer make on record sales). Also seems perfectly reasonable to me. Merch and touring is what keeps bands afloat financially in this day and age. If people don't like it, they should stop buying and sharing and stealing digital music.

Cosmo · July 2013

I think that maybe part of the reasoning behind selling so many t-shirts is the fact that a lot of people buy a lot of t-shirts and all the other stuff. I think that if most of us had something in demand, we'd all jump on the chance to sell a bunch of shit, right? Maybe not you, but, I would.
I mean, look at all of that stuff that was sold at Wrigley Field. All of the posters they had on hand were gone as were all of the pennants, all of the trading cards and many of the full run of t-shirts. The reason WHY is all sells... is because we all buy it. If it didn't sell, there would be a ton of inventory and the prices would drop. But, that's just not the case... the shit sells and it sells well.
...
Again, whether we like it or not... Pearl Jam is a business. If I could be in a band and support my family and send my kids to college without all of the crap that most of us deal with by having a 9 to 5 in a cubicle in a building without any windows... i'd be in a band. Since I am a talentless hack, I work in a cubicle and I support the business I like. I like Costco... so I buy cat food and kitty litter from Costco. I like Hole Mole (pronounced 'Ho-lee Moe-lee') tacos... so i support the local Hole Mole. I like Pearl Jam... so I support Pearl Jam.
If I buy some of their crap... they'll have money to make new records. If they make new records... they'll play some shows. If they play some shows... they'll sell more crap to pay for the next record. And they can make a comfortable life for themselves and their company.
Anyway... I do admit I buy a lot of Pearl Jam crap... but, i admit to doing it freely. And there a lot of stuff i don't buy... like every poster that ever existed or every bootleg that's out there. I don't go into debt over it... shit I can't afford... i just don't buy. All of that shit is on me... not them.

Zod · July 2013

MayDay10 wrote:

I wish they put out more video content

I'd buy it. I still can't believe there isn't a Blu-Ray concert out yet. Doesn't the imagine in cornice dvd have HD logos all over it (and the footage from that tour appears in HD in PJ20). I would love a bluray reissue of it. Maybe some other shows like the gorge, spectrum, or wrigley.

It sounds like my complain is PJ isn't putting out enough merch, or at least not the merch that would cause to part with cash

Kelly Leak · July 2013

How would playing cards have ever caused you to sever your relationship with a band you loved? I am sorry to say but that makes no sense. It is one thing to say there is too much merch. It is another to say you would have stopped following the band if they had something as trivial as a deck of playing cards for sale.

You said it better than me.

JimmyV · July 2013

Kelly Leak wrote:

How would playing cards have ever caused you to sever your relationship with a band you loved? I am sorry to say but that makes no sense. It is one thing to say there is too much merch. It is another to say you would have stopped following the band if they had something as trivial as a deck of playing cards for sale.

You said it better than me.

Right, it's trivial. So why or how would something trivial have caused you to sever your relationship with a band you loved?

PJ_Soul · July 2013

JimmyV wrote:

Kelly Leak wrote:

How would playing cards have ever caused you to sever your relationship with a band you loved? I am sorry to say but that makes no sense. It is one thing to say there is too much merch. It is another to say you would have stopped following the band if they had something as trivial as a deck of playing cards for sale.

You said it better than me.

Right, it's trivial. So why or how would something trivial have caused you to sever your relationship with a band you loved?

Yeah, it makes no sense to me either. Giving up an amazing band, amazing music, amazing fans, amazing concerts.... because of a deck of trading cards they decided to sell. *scratching head*
Kelly, back in 1992 PJ made millions and millions from album sales. That is not the case anymore, not even close. Bands can barely survive on album sales anymore, so they sell merch to try and supplement the lost record sales revenue. Too bad that makes you unhappy, but expecting anything else isn't all that reasonable.

Kelly Leak · July 2013

JimmyV wrote:

Kelly Leak wrote:

How would playing cards have ever caused you to sever your relationship with a band you loved? I am sorry to say but that makes no sense. It is one thing to say there is too much merch. It is another to say you would have stopped following the band if they had something as trivial as a deck of playing cards for sale.

You said it better than me.

Right, it's trivial. So why or how would something trivial have caused you to sever your relationship with a band you loved?

Difficult to explain, but during those formative years (early 90s) I was very sensitive to bands, movies, magazines that were capitalizing on products that had nothing to do with my relationship with said band, movie, mag, etc... An example would be the purchase of a plastic 'yard o' beer' with the band's name printed on the side of the plastic.

I hope this makes sense. I will give you my cell number if it doesn't.

Kelly Leak · July 2013

PJ_Soul wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Kelly Leak wrote:

How would playing cards have ever caused you to sever your relationship with a band you loved? I am sorry to say but that makes no sense. It is one thing to say there is too much merch. It is another to say you would have stopped following the band if they had something as trivial as a deck of playing cards for sale.

You said it better than me.

Right, it's trivial. So why or how would something trivial have caused you to sever your relationship with a band you loved?

Yeah, it makes no sense to me either. Giving up an amazing band, amazing music, amazing fans, amazing concerts.... because of a deck of trading cards they decided to sell. *scratching head*
Kelly, back in 1992 PJ made millions and millions from album sales. That is not the case anymore, not even close. Bands can barely survive on album sales anymore, so they sell merch to try and supplement the lost record sales revenue. Too bad that makes you unhappy, but expecting anything else isn't all that reasonable.

Bands that make huge bank earn it by touring. Period.

WhyGo91 · July 2013

Kelly Leak wrote:

Thing$ around here have become overwhelmingly commercial. I have never $een $o much $tuff for $ale. I wa$ going to buy the Wrigley $etli$t $hirt until I $aw the price. What'$ happening to our $pon$or free band?

So to answer your original question...IT IS JUST YOU

Now will someone please lock this thread so I don't have to see it every time I get on the forums?

PJ_Soul · July 2013

Kelly Leak wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Right, it's trivial. So why or how would something trivial have caused you to sever your relationship with a band you loved?

Yeah, it makes no sense to me either. Giving up an amazing band, amazing music, amazing fans, amazing concerts.... because of a deck of trading cards they decided to sell. *scratching head*
Kelly, back in 1992 PJ made millions and millions from album sales. That is not the case anymore, not even close. Bands can barely survive on album sales anymore, so they sell merch to try and supplement the lost record sales revenue. Too bad that makes you unhappy, but expecting anything else isn't all that reasonable.

Bands that make huge bank earn it by touring. Period.

And with merch sales. I.e. I'd bet that PJ sold $2 million in merch for Wrigley.

I$ it ju$t me....?

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