I am all for merch. I love my tee's. I have one and still wear my shirt from No Code tour. Let's just put it this way, if the band that I fell in love with in 1992 sold playing cards at their merch stand I would have severed our relationship upon seeing this.
I know the band doesn't decide on exactly what goes up for sale, but I don't like what is currently available. We are a heartbeat away from pearl jam sneakers....oh wait, they have those already.
You would have stopped listening to a band you enjoyed in 1992 if they sold playing cards? How ridiculous is that? What does playing cards have to do with the music you enjoyed?
I am all for merch. I love my tee's. I have one and still wear my shirt from No Code tour. Let's just put it this way, if the band that I fell in love with in 1992 sold playing cards at their merch stand I would have severed our relationship upon seeing this.
I know the band doesn't decide on exactly what goes up for sale, but I don't like what is currently available. We are a heartbeat away from pearl jam sneakers....oh wait, they have those already.
You would have stopped listening to a band you enjoyed in 1992 if they sold playing cards? How ridiculous is that? What does playing cards have to do with the music you enjoyed?
That's my point exactly
Your point being that playing cards would have prevented you from loving the music? That is ridiculous.
I'm happy they're keeping their tickets relatively low compared to other big name bands.
But the merch is ridiculously expensive. T-shirts, DVDs, Vinyl, dog collars.
I think the problem is they aren't big enough as a company to manufacture and distribute the items they are selling. because of that, costs are handed to the fans.
See 'Limited Edition PJ20 Blu Ray' as an example. I don't think it's working either. A few years ago I pretty much bought everything they sold. Nowadays, there is no way I would buy most items on here. Even albums. I used to make it a point to buy or pre purchase a new album from 10C. Mostly to support the club.
Then they decided to sell 'limited edition 10C only backspacer and avocado' to get people to buy from them. Both products were shit. And to pay $10 + shipping. It became easier to buy from major outlets where I could save some money.
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[/quote]Your point being that playing cards would have prevented you from loving the music? That is ridiculous.[/quote]
Respectfully, NO, that wasn't my point. You actually made my point. 'What does playing cards have to do with music you enjoyed?' You said that, right?
For some reason as I get older, I have fewer and fewer things that I am passionate about. Pearl Jam has always filled a spot for me in the passion department. I have held on through all of it. I don't ask for much either. I have put it on my calendar each year to renew my 19 year VHC membership. I stood on line at midnight to purchase VS. before it even had the name VS...my cassette copy was printed prior to the official naming of the album. I know what you are going to say, who cares? right? I don't blame you. But with all this passing time there have been changes to the 'thing' that I am passionate about. Am I any less of a fan if I don't approve of dog collars, playing cars, ipad cases, bottle openers, etc....? Pearl Jam is not a brand to me. Eddie Vedder is not a brand to me. Sorry, that's just how I feel.
I am not a major contributor on here. I am not charismatic enough to have anyone want to meet me at a pre-party fundraiser or some pre-show meet up. However, I do know good music. And selling $40 dog collars doesn't have anything to do with good music.
I don't see any of this merch as being a brand. However if they made pearl jam / ed vedder wine or beer I'd probably try it and that I suppose would be a "brand"
Pearl Jam jelly for pb&j sammys may be good too. Made from fruit of course, no bodily fluids
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Your point being that playing cards would have prevented you from loving the music? That is ridiculous.[/quote]
Respectfully, NO, that wasn't my point. You actually made my point. 'What does playing cards have to do with music you enjoyed?' You said that, right?
For some reason as I get older, I have fewer and fewer things that I am passionate about. Pearl Jam has always filled a spot for me in the passion department. I have held on through all of it. I don't ask for much either. I have put it on my calendar each year to renew my 19 year VHC membership. I stood on line at midnight to purchase VS. before it even had the name VS...my cassette copy was printed prior to the official naming of the album. I know what you are going to say, who cares? right? I don't blame you. But with all this passing time there have been changes to the 'thing' that I am passionate about. Am I any less of a fan if I don't approve of dog collars, playing cars, ipad cases, bottle openers, etc....? Pearl Jam is not a brand to me. Eddie Vedder is not a brand to me. Sorry, that's just how I feel.
I am not a major contributor on here. I am not charismatic enough to have anyone want to meet me at a pre-party fundraiser or some pre-show meet up. However, I do know good music. And selling $40 dog collars doesn't have anything to do with good music.[/quote]
I am all for merch. I love my tee's. I have one and still wear my shirt from No Code tour. Let's just put it this way, if the band that I fell in love with in 1992 sold playing cards at their merch stand I would have severed our relationship upon seeing this.
I know the band doesn't decide on exactly what goes up for sale, but I don't like what is currently available. We are a heartbeat away from pearl jam sneakers....oh wait, they have those already.
How would playing cards have ever caused you to sever your relationship with a band you loved? I am sorry to say but that makes no sense. It is one thing to say there is too much merch. It is another to say you would have stopped following the band if they had something as trivial as a deck of playing cards for sale.
Getting those shirts printed isn't THAT cheap, and then they have to pay for all the shipping and all the staff, etc etc. It seems like a perfectly normal price to me - I've never seen a concert t-shirt for much less than that in recent years, and the shipping is free for those who bought it off the website.
Otherwise, there are fans who clamour for all this merch, so they provide it and make money (money that they no longer make on record sales). Also seems perfectly reasonable to me. Merch and touring is what keeps bands afloat financially in this day and age. If people don't like it, they should stop buying and sharing and stealing digital music.
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I think that maybe part of the reasoning behind selling so many t-shirts is the fact that a lot of people buy a lot of t-shirts and all the other stuff. I think that if most of us had something in demand, we'd all jump on the chance to sell a bunch of shit, right? Maybe not you, but, I would.
I mean, look at all of that stuff that was sold at Wrigley Field. All of the posters they had on hand were gone as were all of the pennants, all of the trading cards and many of the full run of t-shirts. The reason WHY is all sells... is because we all buy it. If it didn't sell, there would be a ton of inventory and the prices would drop. But, that's just not the case... the shit sells and it sells well.
...
Again, whether we like it or not... Pearl Jam is a business. If I could be in a band and support my family and send my kids to college without all of the crap that most of us deal with by having a 9 to 5 in a cubicle in a building without any windows... i'd be in a band. Since I am a talentless hack, I work in a cubicle and I support the business I like. I like Costco... so I buy cat food and kitty litter from Costco. I like Hole Mole (pronounced 'Ho-lee Moe-lee') tacos... so i support the local Hole Mole. I like Pearl Jam... so I support Pearl Jam.
If I buy some of their crap... they'll have money to make new records. If they make new records... they'll play some shows. If they play some shows... they'll sell more crap to pay for the next record. And they can make a comfortable life for themselves and their company.
Anyway... I do admit I buy a lot of Pearl Jam crap... but, i admit to doing it freely. And there a lot of stuff i don't buy... like every poster that ever existed or every bootleg that's out there. I don't go into debt over it... shit I can't afford... i just don't buy. All of that shit is on me... not them.
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I'd buy it. I still can't believe there isn't a Blu-Ray concert out yet. Doesn't the imagine in cornice dvd have HD logos all over it (and the footage from that tour appears in HD in PJ20). I would love a bluray reissue of it. Maybe some other shows like the gorge, spectrum, or wrigley.
It sounds like my complain is PJ isn't putting out enough merch, or at least not the merch that would cause to part with cash
How would playing cards have ever caused you to sever your relationship with a band you loved? I am sorry to say but that makes no sense. It is one thing to say there is too much merch. It is another to say you would have stopped following the band if they had something as trivial as a deck of playing cards for sale.
How would playing cards have ever caused you to sever your relationship with a band you loved? I am sorry to say but that makes no sense. It is one thing to say there is too much merch. It is another to say you would have stopped following the band if they had something as trivial as a deck of playing cards for sale.
You said it better than me.
Right, it's trivial. So why or how would something trivial have caused you to sever your relationship with a band you loved?
How would playing cards have ever caused you to sever your relationship with a band you loved? I am sorry to say but that makes no sense. It is one thing to say there is too much merch. It is another to say you would have stopped following the band if they had something as trivial as a deck of playing cards for sale.
You said it better than me.
Right, it's trivial. So why or how would something trivial have caused you to sever your relationship with a band you loved?
Yeah, it makes no sense to me either. Giving up an amazing band, amazing music, amazing fans, amazing concerts.... because of a deck of trading cards they decided to sell. *scratching head*
Kelly, back in 1992 PJ made millions and millions from album sales. That is not the case anymore, not even close. Bands can barely survive on album sales anymore, so they sell merch to try and supplement the lost record sales revenue. Too bad that makes you unhappy, but expecting anything else isn't all that reasonable.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
How would playing cards have ever caused you to sever your relationship with a band you loved? I am sorry to say but that makes no sense. It is one thing to say there is too much merch. It is another to say you would have stopped following the band if they had something as trivial as a deck of playing cards for sale.
You said it better than me.
Right, it's trivial. So why or how would something trivial have caused you to sever your relationship with a band you loved?
Difficult to explain, but during those formative years (early 90s) I was very sensitive to bands, movies, magazines that were capitalizing on products that had nothing to do with my relationship with said band, movie, mag, etc... An example would be the purchase of a plastic 'yard o' beer' with the band's name printed on the side of the plastic.
I hope this makes sense. I will give you my cell number if it doesn't.
How would playing cards have ever caused you to sever your relationship with a band you loved? I am sorry to say but that makes no sense. It is one thing to say there is too much merch. It is another to say you would have stopped following the band if they had something as trivial as a deck of playing cards for sale.
You said it better than me.
Right, it's trivial. So why or how would something trivial have caused you to sever your relationship with a band you loved?
Yeah, it makes no sense to me either. Giving up an amazing band, amazing music, amazing fans, amazing concerts.... because of a deck of trading cards they decided to sell. *scratching head*
Kelly, back in 1992 PJ made millions and millions from album sales. That is not the case anymore, not even close. Bands can barely survive on album sales anymore, so they sell merch to try and supplement the lost record sales revenue. Too bad that makes you unhappy, but expecting anything else isn't all that reasonable.
Bands that make huge bank earn it by touring. Period.
Thing$ around here have become overwhelmingly commercial. I have never $een $o much $tuff for $ale. I wa$ going to buy the Wrigley $etli$t $hirt until I $aw the price. What'$ happening to our $pon$or free band?
So to answer your original question...IT IS JUST YOU
Now will someone please lock this thread so I don't have to see it every time I get on the forums?
Right, it's trivial. So why or how would something trivial have caused you to sever your relationship with a band you loved?
Yeah, it makes no sense to me either. Giving up an amazing band, amazing music, amazing fans, amazing concerts.... because of a deck of trading cards they decided to sell. *scratching head*
Kelly, back in 1992 PJ made millions and millions from album sales. That is not the case anymore, not even close. Bands can barely survive on album sales anymore, so they sell merch to try and supplement the lost record sales revenue. Too bad that makes you unhappy, but expecting anything else isn't all that reasonable.
Bands that make huge bank earn it by touring. Period.
And with merch sales. I.e. I'd bet that PJ sold $2 million in merch for Wrigley.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Thing$ around here have become overwhelmingly commercial. I have never $een $o much $tuff for $ale. I wa$ going to buy the Wrigley $etli$t $hirt until I $aw the price. What'$ happening to our $pon$or free band?
So to answer your original question...IT IS JUST YOU
Now will someone please lock this thread so I don't have to see it every time I get on the forums?
Excellent post, WhyGo91. I don't mean to block you from your insatiable checking of the 'Picutes where Eddie Looks Hot Thread'.
Thing$ around here have become overwhelmingly commercial. I have never $een $o much $tuff for $ale. I wa$ going to buy the Wrigley $etli$t $hirt until I $aw the price. What'$ happening to our $pon$or free band?
So to answer your original question...IT IS JUST YOU
Now will someone please lock this thread so I don't have to see it every time I get on the forums?
This strikes me as rather obnoxious. First, it's not just him. Second, you don't care for a thread discussing something band-related that you disagree with so it should be locked and go away?
For me, the issue is not specifically merch, the issue is has the band that made me fall in love with the music and also the *idea* of them, changed too much and lost too much of that *idea* that made them so special.
As far as playing cards, if we took PJ in 1992 and added only playing cards, it makes no difference. However, if they were the type of band that does all the commercial things the way they are doing them now, I think it might have made a difference. Not to say I wouldn't have loved the music, but I probably would have had a different (potentially more casual) "relationship" with the band.
Actually it's not even so much 1992.. a lot of it is the 1993-1996+ stuff where they purposely fought off fame and commercialism. That whole period was a frustrating but also fulfilling and exciting time to be a PJ fan. It felt like something special was happening and that it was important and you were sharing in it. By reversing course and becoming commercial now, it feels like they abandoned the specialness.
The size of the Shop Section on this website isn't going to affect my connection with the band's songs or lyrics. I could care less if people think this band is too commercial. It's called supply and demand. Personally, I'm not willing to spend $12.99 on the new record and $8.00 in shipping to get the album a day or two earlier. Some people are and that's fine. I'll swing by best buy and pick it up for $9.99 on the release date. I too, have been disappointed to see $35 t-shirts in the shop section; right now that's a box of diapers and I can't justify that purchase. Does it make me like the band less? Nope. Although, I would like the choice (at renewal) to get a free boot OR say a 50% discount on a t-shirt/poster.
I have met 25 year olds and younger with greater wisdom than those much older. I wouldn't discount a person's opinion because of their age, and not only because it's condescending.
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It's not 1992 anymore! It's 23 years later! Apparently the Eddie Vedder you like to speak of so much APPROVES all this stuff they sell at HIS concerts.
Maybe his priorities have changed since then.. Maybe he grew up? Sounds like you might need to do the same.
And if you don't like it, leave. I'm sure plenty of people would rather you just go ahead and leave the fan club. Why are you still here?
Now go ahead and ignore the points I make and try and correct more of my grammar.
i thought numbers dont count..even if you 40,or 25 years old
even you have 100k or just 50 posts...
all opinions must count the same,right?
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As we get older we get more focused on our financial security security. It's hard to work like you're 32 when you're 62. But yeah, the money thing is certainly strong these days. However, the right people with a lot of money (just off the top of my head I'm thinking of Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Willie Nelson, etc.) can do a lot of good with their wealth. Let's hope some of the big PJ bucks are being put to good work. My guess is a lot of it is.
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That's my point exactly
Your point being that playing cards would have prevented you from loving the music? That is ridiculous.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
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I'm happy they're keeping their tickets relatively low compared to other big name bands.
But the merch is ridiculously expensive. T-shirts, DVDs, Vinyl, dog collars.
I think the problem is they aren't big enough as a company to manufacture and distribute the items they are selling. because of that, costs are handed to the fans.
See 'Limited Edition PJ20 Blu Ray' as an example. I don't think it's working either. A few years ago I pretty much bought everything they sold. Nowadays, there is no way I would buy most items on here. Even albums. I used to make it a point to buy or pre purchase a new album from 10C. Mostly to support the club.
Then they decided to sell 'limited edition 10C only backspacer and avocado' to get people to buy from them. Both products were shit. And to pay $10 + shipping. It became easier to buy from major outlets where I could save some money.
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Respectfully, NO, that wasn't my point. You actually made my point. 'What does playing cards have to do with music you enjoyed?' You said that, right?
For some reason as I get older, I have fewer and fewer things that I am passionate about. Pearl Jam has always filled a spot for me in the passion department. I have held on through all of it. I don't ask for much either. I have put it on my calendar each year to renew my 19 year VHC membership. I stood on line at midnight to purchase VS. before it even had the name VS...my cassette copy was printed prior to the official naming of the album. I know what you are going to say, who cares? right? I don't blame you. But with all this passing time there have been changes to the 'thing' that I am passionate about. Am I any less of a fan if I don't approve of dog collars, playing cars, ipad cases, bottle openers, etc....? Pearl Jam is not a brand to me. Eddie Vedder is not a brand to me. Sorry, that's just how I feel.
I am not a major contributor on here. I am not charismatic enough to have anyone want to meet me at a pre-party fundraiser or some pre-show meet up. However, I do know good music. And selling $40 dog collars doesn't have anything to do with good music.
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All bands sell "stuff"
The Beatles sold pieces of their hair.
I don't see any of this merch as being a brand. However if they made pearl jam / ed vedder wine or beer I'd probably try it and that I suppose would be a "brand"
Pearl Jam jelly for pb&j sammys may be good too. Made from fruit of course, no bodily fluids
Can you see me now
I am myself
Like you somehow
I'll ride the wave
Where it takes me
I'll hold the pain
Release me
Respectfully, NO, that wasn't my point. You actually made my point. 'What does playing cards have to do with music you enjoyed?' You said that, right?
For some reason as I get older, I have fewer and fewer things that I am passionate about. Pearl Jam has always filled a spot for me in the passion department. I have held on through all of it. I don't ask for much either. I have put it on my calendar each year to renew my 19 year VHC membership. I stood on line at midnight to purchase VS. before it even had the name VS...my cassette copy was printed prior to the official naming of the album. I know what you are going to say, who cares? right? I don't blame you. But with all this passing time there have been changes to the 'thing' that I am passionate about. Am I any less of a fan if I don't approve of dog collars, playing cars, ipad cases, bottle openers, etc....? Pearl Jam is not a brand to me. Eddie Vedder is not a brand to me. Sorry, that's just how I feel.
I am not a major contributor on here. I am not charismatic enough to have anyone want to meet me at a pre-party fundraiser or some pre-show meet up. However, I do know good music. And selling $40 dog collars doesn't have anything to do with good music.[/quote]
What you said was:
How would playing cards have ever caused you to sever your relationship with a band you loved? I am sorry to say but that makes no sense. It is one thing to say there is too much merch. It is another to say you would have stopped following the band if they had something as trivial as a deck of playing cards for sale.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Otherwise, there are fans who clamour for all this merch, so they provide it and make money (money that they no longer make on record sales). Also seems perfectly reasonable to me. Merch and touring is what keeps bands afloat financially in this day and age. If people don't like it, they should stop buying and sharing and stealing digital music.
I mean, look at all of that stuff that was sold at Wrigley Field. All of the posters they had on hand were gone as were all of the pennants, all of the trading cards and many of the full run of t-shirts. The reason WHY is all sells... is because we all buy it. If it didn't sell, there would be a ton of inventory and the prices would drop. But, that's just not the case... the shit sells and it sells well.
...
Again, whether we like it or not... Pearl Jam is a business. If I could be in a band and support my family and send my kids to college without all of the crap that most of us deal with by having a 9 to 5 in a cubicle in a building without any windows... i'd be in a band. Since I am a talentless hack, I work in a cubicle and I support the business I like. I like Costco... so I buy cat food and kitty litter from Costco. I like Hole Mole (pronounced 'Ho-lee Moe-lee') tacos... so i support the local Hole Mole. I like Pearl Jam... so I support Pearl Jam.
If I buy some of their crap... they'll have money to make new records. If they make new records... they'll play some shows. If they play some shows... they'll sell more crap to pay for the next record. And they can make a comfortable life for themselves and their company.
Anyway... I do admit I buy a lot of Pearl Jam crap... but, i admit to doing it freely. And there a lot of stuff i don't buy... like every poster that ever existed or every bootleg that's out there. I don't go into debt over it... shit I can't afford... i just don't buy. All of that shit is on me... not them.
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I'd buy it. I still can't believe there isn't a Blu-Ray concert out yet. Doesn't the imagine in cornice dvd have HD logos all over it (and the footage from that tour appears in HD in PJ20). I would love a bluray reissue of it. Maybe some other shows like the gorge, spectrum, or wrigley.
It sounds like my complain is PJ isn't putting out enough merch, or at least not the merch that would cause to part with cash
You said it better than me.
Right, it's trivial. So why or how would something trivial have caused you to sever your relationship with a band you loved?
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Kelly, back in 1992 PJ made millions and millions from album sales. That is not the case anymore, not even close. Bands can barely survive on album sales anymore, so they sell merch to try and supplement the lost record sales revenue. Too bad that makes you unhappy, but expecting anything else isn't all that reasonable.
Difficult to explain, but during those formative years (early 90s) I was very sensitive to bands, movies, magazines that were capitalizing on products that had nothing to do with my relationship with said band, movie, mag, etc... An example would be the purchase of a plastic 'yard o' beer' with the band's name printed on the side of the plastic.
I hope this makes sense. I will give you my cell number if it doesn't.
Bands that make huge bank earn it by touring. Period.
So to answer your original question...IT IS JUST YOU
Now will someone please lock this thread so I don't have to see it every time I get on the forums?
Excellent post, WhyGo91. I don't mean to block you from your insatiable checking of the 'Picutes where Eddie Looks Hot Thread'.
And with merch sales. I.e. I'd bet that PJ sold $2 million in merch for Wrigley.[/quote]
That's a whole lotta dog collars!
This strikes me as rather obnoxious. First, it's not just him. Second, you don't care for a thread discussing something band-related that you disagree with so it should be locked and go away?
For me, the issue is not specifically merch, the issue is has the band that made me fall in love with the music and also the *idea* of them, changed too much and lost too much of that *idea* that made them so special.
As far as playing cards, if we took PJ in 1992 and added only playing cards, it makes no difference. However, if they were the type of band that does all the commercial things the way they are doing them now, I think it might have made a difference. Not to say I wouldn't have loved the music, but I probably would have had a different (potentially more casual) "relationship" with the band.
Actually it's not even so much 1992.. a lot of it is the 1993-1996+ stuff where they purposely fought off fame and commercialism. That whole period was a frustrating but also fulfilling and exciting time to be a PJ fan. It felt like something special was happening and that it was important and you were sharing in it. By reversing course and becoming commercial now, it feels like they abandoned the specialness.
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'12- MIA; DeLuna '13- Wrigley; Pitt; Brooklyn 1-2; Philly 1-2; Baltimore; Seattle
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'17- Pilgrimage Music Fest (Eddie)
'18- Fenway
You are 25.
It's not 1992 anymore! It's 23 years later! Apparently the Eddie Vedder you like to speak of so much APPROVES all this stuff they sell at HIS concerts.
Maybe his priorities have changed since then.. Maybe he grew up? Sounds like you might need to do the same.
And if you don't like it, leave. I'm sure plenty of people would rather you just go ahead and leave the fan club. Why are you still here?
Now go ahead and ignore the points I make and try and correct more of my grammar.
even you have 100k or just 50 posts...
all opinions must count the same,right?
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