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  • 63schoefflin
    63schoefflin Posts: 2,581
    It's about time they actually start offering a ton of options. I want an onslaught of PJ merch so I can pick and xhoose what I want. Not sure why people complain about a better selection when the alternative leads to people buying backpacks and shirts for 5 times cost.
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  • Kelly Leak
    Kelly Leak Posts: 263
    WhyGo91 wrote:
    I don't mean to start anything here, but honestly you would probably be making a big deal if they WEREN'T doing what they're doing. I mean you need to be happy with the amount of merch that PJ has, because honestly if they didn't then you wouldn't get to enjoy the memories every time you look at a shirt you bought at a show, or a hat you see yourself wearing from a picture, or whatever. I'm pleased with the amount of stuff they have (and the prices). I would love to see my future kids wearing a PJ onesie(?), or my doggy wearing a PJ dog collar, or hell even going swimming in the ocean with a pair of PJ board shorts!!!

    As for the prices, I went to a Deftones show last August and they were selling shirts for $45 and a hat was $30. Also, go to a KISS concert some day, then come back and talk to me about being "sponsor-free".

    I have a feeling that if I posted the opposite on here, you, my friend, would also be making a big deal of my post. It's simply the way it goes on this board. I mean no disrespect, BTW.

    I have framed posters from shows down in my basement. They are my pride-and-joy. However, when the PJ pinball machine comes out or the PJ Visa card, I am peacin' out.

    Stay Gold.
  • Digital Twilight
    Digital Twilight Posts: 5,642
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    Damned if you do....
  • Kelly Leak
    Kelly Leak Posts: 263
    Digital T,

    You're right on with your cartoon. How about this, can we agree that over the past, let's call it 2 years, pearl jam the business has placed trust in an outside group's hands to manage the merchandise side of things? Again, I am not against capitalism. These guys have worked their asses off, toured like maniacs, earned their place in history, etc, etc, etc...

    ALL I am saying is that I have noticed a measurable difference in the merchandising of products related to the band that are different than the first 18 years.
  • WhyGo91
    WhyGo91 Posts: 639
    Kelly Leak wrote:
    WhyGo91 wrote:
    I don't mean to start anything here, but honestly you would probably be making a big deal if they WEREN'T doing what they're doing. I mean you need to be happy with the amount of merch that PJ has, because honestly if they didn't then you wouldn't get to enjoy the memories every time you look at a shirt you bought at a show, or a hat you see yourself wearing from a picture, or whatever. I'm pleased with the amount of stuff they have (and the prices). I would love to see my future kids wearing a PJ onesie(?), or my doggy wearing a PJ dog collar, or hell even going swimming in the ocean with a pair of PJ board shorts!!!

    As for the prices, I went to a Deftones show last August and they were selling shirts for $45 and a hat was $30. Also, go to a KISS concert some day, then come back and talk to me about being "sponsor-free".

    I have a feeling that if I posted the opposite on here, you, my friend, would also be making a big deal of my post. It's simply the way it goes on this board. I mean no disrespect, BTW.

    I have framed posters from shows down in my basement. They are my pride-and-joy. However, when the PJ pinball machine comes out or the PJ Visa card, I am peacin' out.

    Stay Gold.

    I find it weird that you would "peace out" just because a band starts being "more commercial" haha. You sound like one of those people who hates everything mainstream :lol:
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  • Kelly Leak
    Kelly Leak Posts: 263
    I hear ya, I would love to be one of those people that you mention as ' against everything mainstream', but I am not. I work hard at my job, provide for my family, and am planning for my future. I am very open minded about issues related to tweaks and modifications of a business model as long as it doesn't destroy the integrity of the band's original intent.

    I made reference to a pinball machine and credit card because I have watched other bands like KISS stop making music and put all their effort into capitalizing on a brand.

    I will not defend my love and dedication to this organization; like many do on here. I will continue to roll with the punches as far as ticketing goes...you won't see me complain about seniority recognition (See board join date) and you won't hear me complaining about set lists.

    However, I will continue to raise an eyebrow when I notice a change in the way things are run.
  • locked
    locked Boston Posts: 4,048
    What's the problem?
    Don't like / don't buy?

    This isn't communism!
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  • Kelly Leak
    Kelly Leak Posts: 263
    locked wrote:
    What's the problem?
    Don't like / don't buy?

    This isn't communism!

    How are the two related? Communism and the noticeable change in marketing in the past 2 years.
  • tribejammer05
    tribejammer05 W'Ville, OH Posts: 696
    They put stuff up for sale. We gobble that shit up. It's the circle of life.
    "There's a $10,000 bill in it for you."
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  • Rossum20
    Rossum20 Posts: 910
    I agree that the merch thing is more reactionary to the demand from the fans than anything else.


    I also think a big part of things "seeming" a lot more expensive has to do with the fact that a lot of people have seen the prices of most things go up around them, but their take home pay hasn't adjusted appropriately for inflation over the past two decades. That, and many people just don't get how prices have risen substantially throughout the entire music industry for concerts and merch because as someone pointed out earlier in this thread, people don't pay much for music these days. We all know Pearl Jam could charge more for all the stuff they produce. Now everyone has a line, but I'd pay $50 for a show poster without blinking. I'd pay $200 for a show ticket, although if I were in a position to see a string of shows, I'd probably cut a couple out. It'd be a shit-ton easier to get tickets with a higher face value on tickets, and less margin of profit for the sleazy scalpers. The point is, you could argue the price of tickets is actually too low. But I'll stop doing that now because $95 is enough for me! :lol:
  • Kelly Leak
    Kelly Leak Posts: 263
    tribejammer05 wrote:
    They put stuff up for sale. We gobble that shit up. It's the circle of life.

    This does NOT address my original question. I will say it again:

    1. Has anyone noted a measurable change in both the amount of merchandise and the marketing of said merchandise over the past coupe of years?

    2. Does it appear that an outside organization has been handed the keys to the merchandise machine?

    Two questions, both Yes/No
  • tribejammer05
    tribejammer05 W'Ville, OH Posts: 696
    Kelly Leak wrote:
    tribejammer05 wrote:
    They put stuff up for sale. We gobble that shit up. It's the circle of life.

    This does NOT address my original question. I will say it again:

    1. Has anyone noted a measurable change in both the amount of merchandise and the marketing of said merchandise over the past coupe of years?

    2. Does it appear that an outside organization has been handed the keys to the merchandise machine?

    Two questions, both Yes/No

    Meh
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    "Oh yeah? Which president's on it?"
    "Uh, all of them. They're having a party. Jimmy Carter's passed out on the couch."

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  • Rossum20
    Rossum20 Posts: 910
    Kelly Leak wrote:
    tribejammer05 wrote:
    They put stuff up for sale. We gobble that shit up. It's the circle of life.

    This does NOT address my original question. I will say it again:

    1. Has anyone noted a measurable change in both the amount of merchandise and the marketing of said merchandise over the past coupe of years?

    2. Does it appear that an outside organization has been handed the keys to the merchandise machine?

    Two questions, both Yes/No


    1) I don't really know for sure obviously, but is the amount greater than before? Eh, I wouldn't say so. It also seems to come in waves, then disappears for long stretches. Do they market it more? Probably. Some of it also markets itself on social media platforms etc. You are likely to see things on Facebook and Twitter now whereas even 2 years ago you wouldn't see that. A lot of it also comes with them revamping their site and making it more inviting with better pictures and navigation.

    2) Probably? When hasn't it been outsourced to another merch provider? Can anyone else picture Ed and Stone getting in an argument over who did a better job ironing on a t-shirt decal? :lol:
  • Kelly Leak
    Kelly Leak Posts: 263
    Rossum20 wrote:
    Kelly Leak wrote:
    tribejammer05 wrote:
    They put stuff up for sale. We gobble that shit up. It's the circle of life.

    This does NOT address my original question. I will say it again:

    1. Has anyone noted a measurable change in both the amount of merchandise and the marketing of said merchandise over the past coupe of years?

    2. Does it appear that an outside organization has been handed the keys to the merchandise machine?

    Two questions, both Yes/No


    1) I don't really know for sure obviously, but is the amount greater than before? Eh, I wouldn't say so. It also seems to come in waves, then disappears for long stretches. Do they market it more? Probably. Some of it also markets itself on social media platforms etc. You are likely to see things on Facebook and Twitter now whereas even 2 years ago you wouldn't see that. A lot of it also comes with them revamping their site and making it more inviting with better pictures and navigation.

    2) Probably? When hasn't it been outsourced to another merch provider? Can anyone else picture Ed and Stone getting in an argument over who did a better job ironing on a t-shirt decal? :lol:

    I appreciate your response.
  • justam
    justam Posts: 21,415
    I think the thing you need to keep in mind about any store (even the store belonging to your favorite band) is that you are free to look and decide whether or not you want to buy. It's completely appropriate to think some items are over-priced and choose not to buy them.

    As a consumer, that's how it always is in any store!
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  • Kelly Leak
    Kelly Leak Posts: 263
    justam wrote:
    I think the thing you need to keep in mind about any store (even the store belonging to your favorite band) is that you are free to look and decide whether or not you want to buy. It's completely appropriate to think some items are over-priced and choose not to buy them.

    As a consumer, that's how it always is in any store!

    I am well aware of my right to either buy or not buy. Again, this was not my original question.
  • McNairn
    McNairn Posts: 284
    The fans want the stuff, I think that's the bottom line.
    They don't have to make it but the fans want them to make it, so why not give the fans what they want?
    People like stuff as George Carlin said so well.
    Of course money is made in the process (probably lots of it) but I don't think that is the main reason for the increase in stuff, it's just that people want it and keep buying more of it.
    I stick to posters and the occasional t-shirt bought at a show, but I must admit I love the posters. (And I love that the poster artists are making money too as well they should)
  • jimbojones1138
    jimbojones1138 Posts: 3,640
    wasnt the shirt $35? That's what you would have paid at the show. Of course shipping would make it a bit higher, but... $35 has been the price for pj shirts for at least what, maybe 6...8 years now?
    it's largely due to eddie that i liked to jump off of things as a child...
  • Empty Glass
    Empty Glass In Rob's shed Posts: 12,329
    If you want the price Iof things to drop, don't buy.

    If prices don't drop, encourage your friends not to buy

    If prices to drop, start a revolution

    As for the $35 shirt. That was the price at the show. It is free to ship. If you don't like $35 concert shirts, don't steal music.

    If that doesn't work, encourage your friends not to steal music.
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  • Kelly Leak
    Kelly Leak Posts: 263
    Again,


    This does NOT address my original question. I will say it again:

    1. Has anyone noted a measurable change in both the amount of merchandise and the marketing of said merchandise over the past coupe of years?

    2. Does it appear that an outside organization has been handed the keys to the merchandise machine?

    Two questions, both Yes/No
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