minimum wage (part II)

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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    even flow - question mark wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    even flow - question mark wrote:

    Judging by the way you said you were on unemployment........seems you even got bailed out too. funny how you conviently pass over so many glaring holes that people point out in this thread.
    Last-12-Exit earned that unemployment benefit, that is not a bailout.
    And 2 weeks really? thats nothing, some bailout.
    Last-12-Exit got busy and landed another job immediately.

    Funny how your reply is negative when obviously this person is smart, hard working
    and dedicated to personal goals from what is shared in their work history.
    They deserve what they have earned in life.

    That's truly the key here. It is motivation, work ethic, dedication that make an employee.
    When an employer finds a person like this they pay well to hold onto them.
    When the govt steps in asking for this much of a wage increase, what the hell :?
    they are making some employers choose who stays and who otherwise would not
    have to go.
    Or the employer can choose to keep them all and give them less hours.
    If and when those people are laid off or let go
    in the future this will effect how much unemployment they will collect to live on.

    This increase was no favor to anyone and a damn ploy again by this President to look
    like a good guy. It was a ridiculous increase never before seen in history
    that he knew would not get passed. I'm liking this President less and less, his motives,
    his ego is not something to be admired. Pretender... snaps fingers in a great big Z !


    Work hard you say. So when welfare pays more then minimum wage I guess that is why it is easier to knock minimum wage then somebody sitting on their ass. Oh well!

    EDIT: So you are happy to pay taxes for somebody not to work, than to encourage the minimum wage to go up. Some of you people down south are very odd!

    It's sad that some people are so blinded that they can't see if people are making living wage's everyone benefits and society as whole will benefit ... but what can one do ... unfortunately far too many people are convinced that everything will cost that much more. Minimum wage here in Ontario is 10.25 my morning coffee from McDonalds is still less than a $1.50 ... No McDonalds and WalMart's have closed. I think some Starbucks have closed but thats because they've always been over priced and couldn't compete with Tim Horton's. I don't care what job people do they deserve living wages.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    pandora wrote:
    even flow - question mark wrote:
    Work hard you say. So when welfare pays more then minimum wage I guess that is why it is easier to knock minimum wage then somebody sitting on their ass. Oh well!

    EDIT: So you are happy to pay taxes for somebody not to work, than to encourage the minimum wage to go up. Some of you people down south are very odd!
    Be honest you didn't read my post :lol: not knocking a reasonable minimum wage increase
    as we have seen throughout my working life ... knocking the ridiculous
    wage increase proposed by the current administration.

    I'm only visiting the South but I get the nasty cut ...
    what's your excuse :lol:

    I think he meant south as in south of the Canadian border ;). Here in Canada Alberta has the lowest minimum at 9.75.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    edited March 2013
    lukin2006 wrote:
    even flow - question mark wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Last-12-Exit earned that unemployment benefit, that is not a bailout.
    And 2 weeks really? thats nothing, some bailout.
    Last-12-Exit got busy and landed another job immediately.

    Funny how your reply is negative when obviously this person is smart, hard working
    and dedicated to personal goals from what is shared in their work history.
    They deserve what they have earned in life.

    That's truly the key here. It is motivation, work ethic, dedication that make an employee.
    When an employer finds a person like this they pay well to hold onto them.
    When the govt steps in asking for this much of a wage increase, what the hell :?
    they are making some employers choose who stays and who otherwise would not
    have to go.
    Or the employer can choose to keep them all and give them less hours.
    If and when those people are laid off or let go
    in the future this will effect how much unemployment they will collect to live on.

    This increase was no favor to anyone and a damn ploy again by this President to look
    like a good guy. It was a ridiculous increase never before seen in history
    that he knew would not get passed. I'm liking this President less and less, his motives,
    his ego is not something to be admired. Pretender... snaps fingers in a great big Z !


    Work hard you say. So when welfare pays more then minimum wage I guess that is why it is easier to knock minimum wage then somebody sitting on their ass. Oh well!

    EDIT: So you are happy to pay taxes for somebody not to work, than to encourage the minimum wage to go up. Some of you people down south are very odd!

    It's sad that some people are so blinded that they can't see if people are making living wage's everyone benefits and society as whole will benefit ... but what can one do ... unfortunately far too many people are convinced that everything will cost that much more. Minimum wage here in Ontario is 10.25 my morning coffee from McDonalds is still less than a $1.50 ... No McDonalds and WalMart's have closed. I think some Starbucks have closed but thats because they've always been over priced and couldn't compete with Tim Horton's. I don't care what job people do they deserve living wages.

    :thumbup: That's awesome that Tim Horton's is kicking Starbuck ass in Canada. I prefer Horton's to Starbucks any day.
    Post edited by Jeanwah on
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    lukin2006 wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    even flow - question mark wrote:
    Work hard you say. So when welfare pays more then minimum wage I guess that is why it is easier to knock minimum wage then somebody sitting on their ass. Oh well!

    EDIT: So you are happy to pay taxes for somebody not to work, than to encourage the minimum wage to go up. Some of you people down south are very odd!
    Be honest you didn't read my post :lol: not knocking a reasonable minimum wage increase
    as we have seen throughout my working life ... knocking the ridiculous
    wage increase proposed by the current administration.

    I'm only visiting the South but I get the nasty cut ...
    what's your excuse :lol:

    I think he meant south as in south of the Canadian border ;). Here in Canada Alberta has the lowest minimum at 9.75.
    please excuse so used to comments about THE South :lol:
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    lukin2006 wrote:
    It's sad that some people are so blinded that they can't see if people are making living wage's everyone benefits and society as whole will benefit ...

    All these apocalyptic visions of tons of people being laid off, companies having to close down, price of goods going through the roof - all because of higher minimum wage - has not happened in other countries. So why should it happen in the US (yeah... I know... the US is so special, nothing compares to it :roll: ) And yes... trying to lift people out of poverty does benefit society as a whole.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    http://srv116.services.gc.ca/dimt-wid/s ... =eng&dec=5

    Canada had the minimum wage increase in increments much like the US since the 70's.
    When the govt suggests a mandatory $3.00 per hour increase it can't help but effect
    small business and wage earners jobs.

    We all know why this administration made this ridiculous request. It was not a noble attempt
    at helping the poor.
  • even flow - question mark
    even flow - question mark Posts: 1,568
    pandora wrote:
    http://srv116.services.gc.ca/dimt-wid/sm-mw/rpt2.aspx?lang=eng&dec=5

    Canada had the minimum wage increase in increments much like the US since the 70's.
    When the govt suggests a mandatory $3.00 per hour increase it can't help but effect
    small business and wage earners jobs.

    We all know why this administration made this ridiculous request. It was not a noble attempt
    at helping the poor.


    Oh boy, look at all those 10 an hour wages. Our banks went to hell, our economy sucks, jobs dried up and went to the US for cheaper labour, we had to take the "u" out of our spelling so we could save money when we print with less letters. ha ha ha

    One day or five years, you go on unemployment, you don't make a statement that you've never been helped. Don't get it, you never will.

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    even flow - question mark wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    http://srv116.services.gc.ca/dimt-wid/sm-mw/rpt2.aspx?lang=eng&dec=5

    Canada had the minimum wage increase in increments much like the US since the 70's.
    When the govt suggests a mandatory $3.00 per hour increase it can't help but effect
    small business and wage earners jobs.

    We all know why this administration made this ridiculous request. It was not a noble attempt
    at helping the poor.


    Oh boy, look at all those 10 an hour wages. Our banks went to hell, our economy sucks, jobs dried up and went to the US for cheaper labour, we had to take the "u" out of our spelling so we could save money when we print with less letters. ha ha ha

    One day or five years, you go on unemployment, you don't make a statement that you've never been helped. Don't get it, you never will.
    Are you overreacting? I have only said that a large increase in the minimum wage will hurt
    small business and wage earners. A more reasonable increase could have been passed
    something closer to a normal increase that would not result in job loss. But we know why
    this huge increase was put forth by our President.

    I must disagree that unemployment is 'help'.
    It is a benefit provided by the employer to the employee, an earned benefit,
    one employers are happy to give to those who qualify.
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    even flow - question mark wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    http://srv116.services.gc.ca/dimt-wid/sm-mw/rpt2.aspx?lang=eng&dec=5

    Canada had the minimum wage increase in increments much like the US since the 70's.
    When the govt suggests a mandatory $3.00 per hour increase it can't help but effect
    small business and wage earners jobs.

    We all know why this administration made this ridiculous request. It was not a noble attempt
    at helping the poor.


    Oh boy, look at all those 10 an hour wages. Our banks went to hell, our economy sucks, jobs dried up and went to the US for cheaper labour, we had to take the "u" out of our spelling so we could save money when we print with less letters. ha ha ha

    One day or five years, you go on unemployment, you don't make a statement that you've never been helped. Don't get it, you never will.

    I don't care if someone brags about never having to use gov't assistance (even though he did for two weeks). The fact that it's there if anything happens and you need it, is plenty enough that all Americans should be thankful. But they're not, even when they're hypocritical about it all and don't even recognize it.
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    pandora wrote:
    even flow - question mark wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    http://srv116.services.gc.ca/dimt-wid/sm-mw/rpt2.aspx?lang=eng&dec=5

    Canada had the minimum wage increase in increments much like the US since the 70's.
    When the govt suggests a mandatory $3.00 per hour increase it can't help but effect
    small business and wage earners jobs.

    We all know why this administration made this ridiculous request. It was not a noble attempt
    at helping the poor.


    Oh boy, look at all those 10 an hour wages. Our banks went to hell, our economy sucks, jobs dried up and went to the US for cheaper labour, we had to take the "u" out of our spelling so we could save money when we print with less letters. ha ha ha

    One day or five years, you go on unemployment, you don't make a statement that you've never been helped. Don't get it, you never will.
    Are you overreacting? I have only said that a large increase in the minimum wage will hurt
    small business and wage earners. A more reasonable increase could have been passed
    something closer to a normal increase that would not result in job loss. But we know why
    this huge increase was put forth by our President.

    I must disagree that unemployment is 'help'.
    It is a benefit provided by the employer to the employee, an earned benefit,
    one employers are happy to give to those who qualify.

    And like many people have already said, if you can't take care of your employees with minimum wages, if not living wages, you have no business being in business.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    Jeanwah wrote:
    And like many people have already said, if you can't take care of your employees with minimum wages, if not living wages, you have no business being in business.

    And again... a huge disparity between minimum wage and living wage. Between what the government thinks is the minimum necessary to live on and what it really is.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    pandora wrote:
    even flow - question mark wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    http://srv116.services.gc.ca/dimt-wid/sm-mw/rpt2.aspx?lang=eng&dec=5

    Canada had the minimum wage increase in increments much like the US since the 70's.
    When the govt suggests a mandatory $3.00 per hour increase it can't help but effect
    small business and wage earners jobs.

    We all know why this administration made this ridiculous request. It was not a noble attempt
    at helping the poor.


    Oh boy, look at all those 10 an hour wages. Our banks went to hell, our economy sucks, jobs dried up and went to the US for cheaper labour, we had to take the "u" out of our spelling so we could save money when we print with less letters. ha ha ha

    One day or five years, you go on unemployment, you don't make a statement that you've never been helped. Don't get it, you never will.
    Are you overreacting? I have only said that a large increase in the minimum wage will hurt
    small business and wage earners. A more reasonable increase could have been passed
    something closer to a normal increase that would not result in job loss. But we know why
    this huge increase was put forth by our President.

    I must disagree that unemployment is 'help'.
    It is a benefit provided by the employer to the employee, an earned benefit,
    one employers are happy to give to those who qualify.

    Unemployment is help? It's a program mandated by the government. The reason there need for such a large increase is because minimum hasn't been keeping up with the cost of living.

    And it won't cripple business.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Jeanwah wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    even flow - question mark wrote:


    Work hard you say. So when welfare pays more then minimum wage I guess that is why it is easier to knock minimum wage then somebody sitting on their ass. Oh well!

    EDIT: So you are happy to pay taxes for somebody not to work, than to encourage the minimum wage to go up. Some of you people down south are very odd!

    It's sad that some people are so blinded that they can't see if people are making living wage's everyone benefits and society as whole will benefit ... but what can one do ... unfortunately far too many people are convinced that everything will cost that much more. Minimum wage here in Ontario is 10.25 my morning coffee from McDonalds is still less than a $1.50 ... No McDonalds and WalMart's have closed. I think some Starbucks have closed but thats because they've always been over priced and couldn't compete with Tim Horton's. I don't care what job people do they deserve living wages.

    :thumbup: That's awesome that Tim Horton's is kicking Starbuck ass in Canada. I prefer Horton's to Starbucks any day.

    In my area I only know of 1 stand alone starbucks, target will have them and bookstores ... but they can't compete against Tim Horton's.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    pandora wrote:
    Are you overreacting? I have only said that a large increase in the minimum wage will hurt
    small business and wage earners. A more reasonable increase could have been passed
    something closer to a normal increase that would not result in job loss. But we know why
    this huge increase was put forth by our President.

    I must disagree that unemployment is 'help'.
    It is a benefit provided by the employer to the employee, an earned benefit,
    one employers are happy to give to those who qualify.

    Unemployment Compensation - Insurance benefits paid by the state or federal government to individuals who are involuntarily out of work in order to provide them with necessities, such as food, clothing, and shelter.

    It is help when you need it, provided by the government. But you don't believe in that...
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Unemployment is help? It's a program mandated by the government. The reason there need for such a large increase is because minimum hasn't been keeping up with the cost of living.

    And it won't cripple business.
    Yes mandated insurance all employers pay into to fund their employees.
    An earned benefit.... not govt help.

    A lower increase would have passed and not affected jobs. That makes too much sense I know.

    But again we now why such a large increase was proposed.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Jeanwah wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Are you overreacting? I have only said that a large increase in the minimum wage will hurt
    small business and wage earners. A more reasonable increase could have been passed
    something closer to a normal increase that would not result in job loss. But we know why
    this huge increase was put forth by our President.

    I must disagree that unemployment is 'help'.
    It is a benefit provided by the employer to the employee, an earned benefit,
    one employers are happy to give to those who qualify.

    Unemployment Compensation - Insurance benefits paid by the state or federal government to individuals who are involuntarily out of work in order to provide them with necessities, such as food, clothing, and shelter.

    It is help when you need it, provided by the government. But you don't believe in that...
    oh Jean I'm an employer for 20 years :fp: :lol:
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    pandora wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Unemployment is help? It's a program mandated by the government. The reason there need for such a large increase is because minimum hasn't been keeping up with the cost of living.

    And it won't cripple business.
    Yes mandated insurance all employers pay into to fund their employees.
    An earned benefit.... not govt help.

    A lower increase would have passed and not affected jobs. That makes too much sense I know.

    But again we now why such a large increase was proposed.

    It's government insurance, a safety net per say if you are laid off or unduly let go from a job. Government assistance for employees. HELP. You're really in denial.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    pandora wrote:
    oh Jean I'm an employer for 20 years :fp: :lol:

    Another reason for minimum wage laws.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    pandora wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Unemployment is help? It's a program mandated by the government. The reason there need for such a large increase is because minimum hasn't been keeping up with the cost of living.

    And it won't cripple business.
    Yes mandated insurance all employers pay into to fund their employees.
    An earned benefit.... not govt help.

    A lower increase would have passed and not affected jobs. That makes too much sense I know.

    But again we now why such a large increase was proposed.

    Not Govt help?

    So you're trying to tell us that an employers association all got together and decided to formulate an insurance program that protected workers in the event of a layoff? Or was the government involved in developing such a necessity to ensure the average citizen, in the event of a layoff, was protected for a term until they might find another job to pay their bills?

    Regardless of whether or not the government collects on the front end or the back end to fund such an essential mode of assistance... It's government help. How is this hard to understand?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Jeanwah wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Unemployment is help? It's a program mandated by the government. The reason there need for such a large increase is because minimum hasn't been keeping up with the cost of living.

    And it won't cripple business.
    Yes mandated insurance all employers pay into to fund their employees.
    An earned benefit.... not govt help.

    A lower increase would have passed and not affected jobs. That makes too much sense I know.

    But again we now why such a large increase was proposed.

    It's government insurance, a safety net per say if you are laid off or unduly let go from a job. Government assistance for employees. HELP. You're really in denial.
    It is an earned benefit that all employers pay into, an insurance policy.
    Have you met employers who don't want to pay that? I have not.
    My employees have deserved this benefit.
    I gladly take care of our employees because we have been fortunate to have great people.
    But then we are great employers too. A two way street.

    I guess you will let us know what kind of employer you find. I hope a nice one. :D
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