Eating Paleo

riotgrl · March 2013

facepollution wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

There's a difference between eating whole foods and cutting yourself from beneficial foods like grains, legumes, etc... Its a gimmick/fad restriction diet. .

Any thoughts on antinutrients that grains and legumes contain?

Again I say, soak your nuts (ok I totally blame my husband for my immature and inappropriate behavior - I use to be totally normal

) That reduces the amount of phytic acid that makes grains and legumes so hard to digest.

facepollution · March 2013

riotgrl wrote:

Again I say, soak your nuts (ok I totally blame my husband for my immature and inappropriate behavior - I use to be totally normal ) That reduces the amount of phytic acid that makes grains and legumes so hard to digest.

Sensible advice, I wonder if many people do that though.......

Given the lack of nutrition in modern produce, people need all the help they can get.

riotgrl · March 2013

facepollution wrote:

riotgrl wrote:

Again I say, soak your nuts (ok I totally blame my husband for my immature and inappropriate behavior - I use to be totally normal ) That reduces the amount of phytic acid that makes grains and legumes so hard to digest.

Sensible advice, I wonder if many people do that though.......

Given the lack of nutrition in modern produce, people need all the help they can get.

Very few I'm sure. Most don't know to do it and many who do may not have the time. I've only recently begun doing it and I definitely feel better after consuming nuts, grains, legumes.

know1 · March 2013

I was thinking of opening a Paleo restaurant, but I can't find a good location. There don't seem to be any caves in my town.

Cosmo · March 2013

know1 wrote:

I was thinking of opening a Paleo restaurant, but I can't find a good location. There don't seem to be any caves in my town.

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Actually... that's pretty funny.

Cosmo · March 2013

Wasn't Paleolithic Man in better shape because he had to chase down his meat sources, get his ass off the stone couch and walk all over the fucking place to pick berries and because those saber-toothed cats were always chasing him?
Also, wasn't his life expectancy like... 30? I know, a broken leg from rolling down the hill trying to escape the saber-toothed cat often meant death... and so were things like the flu... but, who's to say he was in better shape than we are today?
Our main problem is that too many of us buy into the 3 squares a day bit. That was great when you worked your fucking ass off on a farm from 4 A.M. to 8 P.M., but who works that (physically) hard these days? We can get along on one meal a day, supplemented with some fruits and vegetables. And, we get off our asses on a regular basis and actually walk the 3 blocks to the liquor store for our cigarettes and beer instead of driving it.
Also.. cutting out the cigarettes and beer helps.

Hugh Freaking Dillon · March 2013

Cosmo wrote:

Wasn't Paleolithic Man in better shape because he had to chase down his meat sources, get his ass off the stone couch and walk all over the fucking place to pick berries and because those saber-toothed cats were always chasing him?
Also, wasn't his life expectancy like... 30? I know, a broken leg from rolling down the hill trying to escape the saber-toothed cat often meant death... and so were things like the flu... but, who's to say he was in better shape than we are today?
Our main problem is that too many of us buy into the 3 squares a day bit. That was great when you worked your fucking ass off on a farm from 4 A.M. to 8 P.M., but who works that (physically) hard these days? We can get along on one meal a day, supplemented with some fruits and vegetables. And, we get off our asses on a regular basis and actually walk the 3 blocks to the liquor store for our cigarettes and beer instead of driving it.
Also.. cutting out the cigarettes and beer helps.

exercise is easy to come by......it's all the processed shit and preservatives and cancer-causing nastiness in today's food that is difficult to avoid unless you live on a farm. this is my main concern.

Go Beavers · March 2013

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Wasn't Paleolithic Man in better shape because he had to chase down his meat sources, get his ass off the stone couch and walk all over the fucking place to pick berries and because those saber-toothed cats were always chasing him?
Also, wasn't his life expectancy like... 30? I know, a broken leg from rolling down the hill trying to escape the saber-toothed cat often meant death... and so were things like the flu... but, who's to say he was in better shape than we are today?
Our main problem is that too many of us buy into the 3 squares a day bit. That was great when you worked your fucking ass off on a farm from 4 A.M. to 8 P.M., but who works that (physically) hard these days? We can get along on one meal a day, supplemented with some fruits and vegetables. And, we get off our asses on a regular basis and actually walk the 3 blocks to the liquor store for our cigarettes and beer instead of driving it.
Also.. cutting out the cigarettes and beer helps.

exercise is easy to come by......it's all the processed shit and preservatives and cancer-causing nastiness in today's food that is difficult to avoid unless you live on a farm. this is my main concern.

I think exercise will override a lot of bad food. Not only that, when you're really active, your body wants good food and less processed/junk food. It sort of works itself out because the bad food just feels like bad energy. There's so much focus on what to eat and what not to eat. For me, it's exercise and be active first, then just listen to what your body wants.

brianlux · March 2013

The more I think about it the more I'm not sure about Paleo. I'd like to try going further back. When I was a kid I tried eating all sorts of things- grass, dirt, leaves and flowers from weeds. Fortunately I didn't try anything toxic. After reading Ishi in Two Worlds I'm convinced we of Euro-Conquest origin don't know squat about eating. I'm going to pick some manzanita berries and herbs and dig some roots and get healthy again.

I'll write a song about it and call it "Stone Age Cuisine's Alright By Me".

unsung · March 2013

I don't believe we need grains to thrive, and I haven't found one nutritional benefit that I can't get from something else. To me, the negatives far outweigh the positives. I have a high food allergy to wheat and my girlfriend is sensitive to glutens.

Diabetes runs in my family, so cutting out the non-natural sugars makes sense.

I also choose to avoid processed food that sits in a box on a store shelf for months. We had a work colleague off for a medical reason and he left an opened pack of townhouse crackers on his desk. Nobody really noticed it until we had to clean out his desk nearly a year later. There was no mold on those crackers. No thanks.

I eat organic as much as possible. All the washing in the world won't remove those pesticides.

As an adult I also find no point in drinking milk. Any nutritional benefits are first of all eliminated through pasteurization, then magically, or should I say chemically added afterwards. Now they want to be allowed to add aspartame to it without disclosing it on the label. No thanks.

So yeah, paleo makes perfect sense to me.

satansbed · March 2013

unsung wrote:

I don't believe we need grains to thrive, and I haven't found one nutritional benefit that I can't get from something else. To me, the negatives far outweigh the positives. I have a high food allergy to wheat and my girlfriend is sensitive to glutens.

Diabetes runs in my family, so cutting out the non-natural sugars makes sense.

I also choose to avoid processed food that sits in a box on a store shelf for months. We had a work colleague off for a medical reason and he left an opened pack of townhouse crackers on his desk. Nobody really noticed it until we had to clean out his desk nearly a year later. There was no mold on those crackers. No thanks.

I eat organic as much as possible. All the washing in the world won't remove those pesticides.

As an adult I also find no point in drinking milk. Any nutritional benefits are first of all eliminated through pasteurization, then magically, or should I say chemically added afterwards. Now they want to be allowed to add aspartame to it without disclosing it on the label. No thanks.

So yeah, paleo makes perfect sense to me.

its not about needing the nutritional benefit, if never learned to farm grains we would have never settled into civilizations and wouldn't be anywhere near as technically and socially advanced as we are now.

i saw a fascinating documentary once about how one small evolution in one of the grains ment that it would hold on to its seeds, which then allowed us to learn how to farm it and develop to where we are today. cant remember its name though.

Paelo is grand but an agricultural race for a reason. it allowed more of us to survive

brianlux · March 2013

unsung wrote:

I don't believe we need grains to thrive, and I haven't found one nutritional benefit that I can't get from something else. To me, the negatives far outweigh the positives. I have a high food allergy to wheat and my girlfriend is sensitive to glutens.

Diabetes runs in my family, so cutting out the non-natural sugars makes sense.

I also choose to avoid processed food that sits in a box on a store shelf for months. We had a work colleague off for a medical reason and he left an opened pack of townhouse crackers on his desk. Nobody really noticed it until we had to clean out his desk nearly a year later. There was no mold on those crackers. No thanks.

I eat organic as much as possible. All the washing in the world won't remove those pesticides.

As an adult I also find no point in drinking milk. Any nutritional benefits are first of all eliminated through pasteurization, then magically, or should I say chemically added afterwards. Now they want to be allowed to add aspartame to it without disclosing it on the label. No thanks.

So yeah, paleo makes perfect sense to me.

Everything you say here makes sense to me, unsung. Grains are my down fall. I try to stick with organic non-gmo grains but beyond that I have a hard time avoiding them, especially in the form of higher quality breads, crackers and cereals-- which may equate to too many grains at times. Wheat especially- I think more and more people are finding wheat to be problematic.

With spring and summer coming that will change someone with the availability of fresh organic fruits. It's the time of year I lean toward being somewhat fruitarianism despite the fact that lots of fruit means lots of carbs which maybe I don't need as much anymore. It's hard to find the right balance because we're all a bit different.

riotgrl · March 2013

brianlux wrote:

unsung wrote:

I don't believe we need grains to thrive, and I haven't found one nutritional benefit that I can't get from something else. To me, the negatives far outweigh the positives. I have a high food allergy to wheat and my girlfriend is sensitive to glutens.

Diabetes runs in my family, so cutting out the non-natural sugars makes sense.

I also choose to avoid processed food that sits in a box on a store shelf for months. We had a work colleague off for a medical reason and he left an opened pack of townhouse crackers on his desk. Nobody really noticed it until we had to clean out his desk nearly a year later. There was no mold on those crackers. No thanks.

I eat organic as much as possible. All the washing in the world won't remove those pesticides.

As an adult I also find no point in drinking milk. Any nutritional benefits are first of all eliminated through pasteurization, then magically, or should I say chemically added afterwards. Now they want to be allowed to add aspartame to it without disclosing it on the label. No thanks.

So yeah, paleo makes perfect sense to me.

Everything you say here makes sense to me, unsung. Grains are my down fall. I try to stick with organic non-gmo grains but beyond that I have a hard time avoiding them, especially in the form of higher quality breads, crackers and cereals-- which may equate to too many grains at times. Wheat especially- I think more and more people are finding wheat to be problematic.

With spring and summer coming that will change someone with the availability of fresh organic fruits. It's the time of year I lean toward being somewhat fruitarianism despite the fact that lots of fruit means lots of carbs which maybe I don't need as much anymore. It's hard to find the right balance because we're all a bit different.

I think you both hit it. It really does depend on what works best for you. We need to listen to our bodies and realize that we don't need to follow the latest fad diet but to eat what works best for our body. I can eat soaked and sprouted grains and feel good but for others it is too much. The only hard and fast rule that I think everyone should follow is NO processed food, period.

I can tell winter is coming to a close because I am starting to crave fresh greens that I haven't had much of this winter. Asparagus will be here soon and I can't wait!

Sprunkn7 · September 2014

I ate Paleo for a while and then fell back into my sugar coma induced blahness. Time to feel that energy again with a plan that I can live with. Wine and very minimal cheese included. Life isn't worth living without a little cheese!

Shawshank · September 2014

Over the last year I have been consistently losing weight...down about 40lbs. I wasn't morbidly obese or anything...but I've always been a stocky built guy. I needed to shed some weight to go do some hiking in the mountains of Colorado.

My plan? Burn more calories than I consumed. And that's what I've been doing. I didn't really change my diet. I don't drink a lot of soda, I garden a lot so we eat tons of veggies. I just think I was always eating the same as what I burned. I have a pretty sedentary job.

I still eat what I want...and I try not to eat after 5pm. That's a biggie. Although I do listen to my body...if I feel like I'm freaking starving to death at 9pm, I'll eat a piece of cheese and maybe a few crackers.

My regimen pretty much involves walking 4 to 6 miles per day (my wife does almost 10...sometimes up to 15 each day). I'll drink a protein shake in the morning...because I hate eating breakfast. That gives me 30 to 45 grams of protein right there. Protein is the key to all of this, because if your body has protein, it will know that all is right with the world and actually burn calories better. I notice a huge difference if I cut back on protein intake. Also, drinking lots of water through the day really helps.

I still will eat a burger and fries if I want...just smaller portions. I still make homemade bread. I still eat pasta once a week or so. There is nothing that I crave. If I want dessert I have it. I don't restrict myself...but I don't let myself run wild either. It just becomes a balance is all.

Gern Blansten · September 2014

Shawshank said:
Over the last year I have been consistently losing weight...down about 40lbs. I wasn't morbidly obese or anything...but I've always been a stocky built guy. I needed to shed some weight to go do some hiking in the mountains of Colorado.

My plan? Burn more calories than I consumed. And that's what I've been doing. I didn't really change my diet. I don't drink a lot of soda, I garden a lot so we eat tons of veggies. I just think I was always eating the same as what I burned. I have a pretty sedentary job.

I still eat what I want...and I try not to eat after 5pm. That's a biggie. Although I do listen to my body...if I feel like I'm freaking starving to death at 9pm, I'll eat a piece of cheese and maybe a few crackers.

My regimen pretty much involves walking 4 to 6 miles per day (my wife does almost 10...sometimes up to 15 each day). I'll drink a protein shake in the morning...because I hate eating breakfast. That gives me 30 to 45 grams of protein right there. Protein is the key to all of this, because if your body has protein, it will know that all is right with the world and actually burn calories better. I notice a huge difference if I cut back on protein intake. Also, drinking lots of water through the day really helps.

I still will eat a burger and fries if I want...just smaller portions. I still make homemade bread. I still eat pasta once a week or so. There is nothing that I crave. If I want dessert I have it. I don't restrict myself...but I don't let myself run wild either. It just becomes a balance is all.

Damn dude...good work

Thanks for sharing. Your situation kind of sounds like mine. I don't really feel like I eat too much but I could eat healthier. I tend to dive into snacks meant for the kids and get carried away.

I'm going to try the protein shake in the am. I never eat breakfast and during busy times (I'm a CPA/desk Jockey) I will skip lunch. THen when I get home at 6 I destroy whatever is available to eat and then I'm too miserable to exercise. I need to change and lose about 20 lbs.

Plus I drink too much beer/vodka on the weekends.

rr165892 · September 2014

Unsung,
Don't spend too much energy on lumping your eating into anyone diet type.My wife and I Eat very clean.No simple carbs,sugar,dairy and only eat minimally processed Usually organic stuff.Lots of salads and lean meats(some bacon also),egg whites,lots of nuts,Raw veggies,etc.
We are Gym rat meatheads so protien and insulin regulation is very Important to adding lean mass and eliminating excess Body fat.Staying away from gluten and dairy is huge.We try not to be snobs about it and just do our best when we can control it and make clean choices when we can't.A huge mental deal for us is 1cheat day a week.We rage on Pizza,desserts,sugar,carbs anything really but just for 1 24 hr period.It keeps you sane and actually gives your metabolism a boost.
Are you lifting or working out while doing this?
Have you had your Hormone levels checked(Estrogen,Testosterone,etc)?
Also I take two scoops of a product called "Green Vibrance"Which is a whole food supplement with millions of probiotics and other goodies to keep you right inside and boost immune system.Stuff is great.I mix with a fresh juice every morning.Look it up and give it a go.

rr165892 · September 2014

Gern Blansten said:

Shawshank said:
Over the last year I have been consistently losing weight...down about 40lbs. I wasn't morbidly obese or anything...but I've always been a stocky built guy. I needed to shed some weight to go do some hiking in the mountains of Colorado.

My plan? Burn more calories than I consumed. And that's what I've been doing. I didn't really change my diet. I don't drink a lot of soda, I garden a lot so we eat tons of veggies. I just think I was always eating the same as what I burned. I have a pretty sedentary job.

I still eat what I want...and I try not to eat after 5pm. That's a biggie. Although I do listen to my body...if I feel like I'm freaking starving to death at 9pm, I'll eat a piece of cheese and maybe a few crackers.

My regimen pretty much involves walking 4 to 6 miles per day (my wife does almost 10...sometimes up to 15 each day). I'll drink a protein shake in the morning...because I hate eating breakfast. That gives me 30 to 45 grams of protein right there. Protein is the key to all of this, because if your body has protein, it will know that all is right with the world and actually burn calories better. I notice a huge difference if I cut back on protein intake. Also, drinking lots of water through the day really helps.

I still will eat a burger and fries if I want...just smaller portions. I still make homemade bread. I still eat pasta once a week or so. There is nothing that I crave. If I want dessert I have it. I don't restrict myself...but I don't let myself run wild either. It just becomes a balance is all.
Damn dude...good work

Thanks for sharing. Your situation kind of sounds like mine. I don't really feel like I eat too much but I could eat healthier. I tend to dive into snacks meant for the kids and get carried away.

I'm going to try the protein shake in the am. I never eat breakfast and during busy times (I'm a CPA/desk Jockey) I will skip lunch. THen when I get home at 6 I destroy whatever is available to eat and then I'm too miserable to exercise. I need to change and lose about 20 lbs.

Plus I drink too much beer/vodka on the weekends.

You should never skip breakfast.Most important meal of the day.Try a fresh juiced bunch of veggies and some egg whites with little oatmeal .

MayDay10 · September 2014

Shawshank said:
Over the last year I have been consistently losing weight...down about 40lbs. I wasn't morbidly obese or anything...but I've always been a stocky built guy. I needed to shed some weight to go do some hiking in the mountains of Colorado.

My plan? Burn more calories than I consumed. And that's what I've been doing. I didn't really change my diet. I don't drink a lot of soda, I garden a lot so we eat tons of veggies. I just think I was always eating the same as what I burned. I have a pretty sedentary job.

I still eat what I want...and I try not to eat after 5pm. That's a biggie. Although I do listen to my body...if I feel like I'm freaking starving to death at 9pm, I'll eat a piece of cheese and maybe a few crackers.

My regimen pretty much involves walking 4 to 6 miles per day (my wife does almost 10...sometimes up to 15 each day). I'll drink a protein shake in the morning...because I hate eating breakfast. That gives me 30 to 45 grams of protein right there. Protein is the key to all of this, because if your body has protein, it will know that all is right with the world and actually burn calories better. I notice a huge difference if I cut back on protein intake. Also, drinking lots of water through the day really helps.

I still will eat a burger and fries if I want...just smaller portions. I still make homemade bread. I still eat pasta once a week or so. There is nothing that I crave. If I want dessert I have it. I don't restrict myself...but I don't let myself run wild either. It just becomes a balance is all.

You are hitting the nail on the head, although I disagree on time of consumption mattering. Moderation, dont deprive yourself (as you will no doubt over-indulge later if you do that), lots of protein for cutting fat, and trying to be active in some form every day. Thats it.

I dont know much about this "Paleo Diet" other than the basic premise...

in my experience, it seems to be very much in style to proclaim that you "have issues with Gluten" or have a "Gluten allergy". Somebody was actually telling me that last week while crushing 20 beers at a tailgate party.

Yeah, fresh ingredients are optimal, and fresh homemade stuff is better and carries much better health benefits than Chef Boy R Dee or Spaghetti Os or Kraft Mac and Cheese.... When I am ill though, I still have a guilty pleasure of Campbells Chicken Noodle-O's and oyster crackers... it wont kill me.

Shawshank · September 2014

Gern Blansten said:

Damn dude...good work

Thanks for sharing. Your situation kind of sounds like mine. I don't really feel like I eat too much but I could eat healthier. I tend to dive into snacks meant for the kids and get carried away.

I'm going to try the protein shake in the am. I never eat breakfast and during busy times (I'm a CPA/desk Jockey) I will skip lunch. THen when I get home at 6 I destroy whatever is available to eat and then I'm too miserable to exercise. I need to change and lose about 20 lbs.

Plus I drink too much beer/vodka on the weekends.

Thanks. Yeah, you'll never see any results skipping and then gorging like that. It's never good. Your body will basically keep your metabolism in a famine state, so you won't burn anything.

I get the Body Fortress protein. I either use Chocolate or Strawberry so that I have some variety. I'm not a fan of the chocolate on it's own, so I mix it up a bit. I always use my blender with it first of all. Basically for breakfast I will do something like this...

3/4 to maybe 1 cup of milk
A scoop and a half of protein (that gives you 45 grams of protein, plus the few that are in the milk)
Then if I'm doing chocolate I might add a spoon full of peanut butter. It tastes better than it sounds. Sometimes I'll add a banana. Sometimes I'll do a mix of banana with a touch of the peanut butter. When I'm in the mood for Starbucks I'll take a little bit of coffee that keep in the fridge and add that to it. Once my flavorings are added then I add ice. Just enough to thicken it. When it's done it's almost like a real shake, but it is totally good for you.

I notice that now I'm stronger than I ever have been, and my stamina for hiking and running is so much better. I hiked up Mt. Bierstadt, which wasn't horrible, but towards the end it feels like you are basically climbing a flight of stairs for 3 miles while breathing through a straw.

The not eating after 5 thing is just my personal preference. I like going to bed feeling like I'm just about to start getting hungry. Since my body is fueled so well, it seems to spend all night burning fat, because every day I'm about a half pound lighter. However...as I said...if I'm hungry...even if it's 8 at night...if my stomach is rumbling...I feed that thing. I don't let myself get to a point where I feel like I"m starving at any time during the day.

So basically, protein intake, exercise (walking is so good for you...probably the best thing you can do just starting out), eating in moderation with a healthy mix of food (I had a hamburger for lunch today with some fries...not feeling bad at all about it because I'm having a salad and veggies for dinner plus I'll walk 4 miles tonight), drinking plenty of water, and not letting myself go into starvation mode were the keys to my success.

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