This is an honest question, not a criticism - how do the Paleos respond to the fact that there is also evidence that a vegan diet promotes health and increases lifespan? (I'm not vegan and have no vested interest in this; I personally think that any diet with more fruit and vegetables and fewer Cheetos is on the right track).
I'm not vegan but I believe they consume legumes and grains, both huge Paleo no-no's.
Both increase inflammation levels in the blood and that's a key aspect for going Paleo.
this is really good stuff. after one day i feel a difference & it was immediate as soon as i woke up. no grains & stupid bullshit... bam the determination/will-power kicked in. when my determination/will-power are dialed in
holy smokes good shit
i will miss two malted pancakes at the diner. maybe later down the line a spell i'll check em out nuts but without the salt or honey roasted... plain damn raw nuts the cutting back on bananas is not going to be enjoyable, i've had two already today. one step at a time
I can't imagine cutting any whole food out permanently...Meats, veggies, fruits, grains, dairy....I wouldn't want to live without the variety, food is definitely part of enjoying life for me. Sometimes it borders on addiction...but I try to keep everything in moderation and I always focus on getting my activity level higher above all else. If I went paleo what would I have to eat my peanut butter and maple syrup on?
Yeah if you are trying to drop weight go moderate with fruit.
Good Luck, the first few days are rough but after a couple of weeks you'll see some changes happening and it'll really motivate you to stick with it.
Just another tip if you are trying to drop fat, only weigh in once a week. Same time, same day, once a week.
i see my doctor(s) monthly or even biweekly as different things are going on. so yes i am weighing in. knees are smoked, shoulders the same & my back & a list of shit & piss going on. i screwed up this summer by not staying on my swimming & healthy eating regimen. first in june i torn my R rotator cuff, my L is basically the same. they seem to be feeling better in the pool as i quit swimming laps w/ those buyoant dumbbells & quit weight lifting dumbbells before bed or whenever. in my mid 20's i rolled/tumbled down a highway as i was flung out of my car. those shoulders took a beating but amazingly didn't break.
yes i am back on track, i am sure of this. if i had every penny on the planet i would give it all away for my health (everyone's better health) & no more pain. i have been done w/ grass 4.5 months now. sad thing is i had been drinking again, not daily but when i drink it's enough for 4 people. im done, done, done & done w/ everything yet again. thing is i get no help whatsoever from the pain clinic or hospital. a guy can only take so much agony. dial in the inner buddha determination, always have had it, it just gets a short distance away lost sometimes. yes surgeries are on the horizon when i get into my new upcoming life.
Sorry to hear it Chad.Stay focused,maybe add in Yoga and Pilates for the gimpy body.I know it sounds girly but I do Pilates every Friday night It does a number on the muscles between the muscles and really helps with core and stability.It really compliments regular weight training and cardio.
rr, it is not girly at all. i'll be having both knees replaced at some point. im not to well balanced & i sure as shit am not going on the floor any time soon. this is why i do my thing in water. i'll be fully back at my fish type behavior here directly.
that car of mine i decided to get flung out of is a drop in the bucket. life has beat my ass, i have beat my ass.
This is an honest question, not a criticism - how do the Paleos respond to the fact that there is also evidence that a vegan diet promotes health and increases lifespan? (I'm not vegan and have no vested interest in this; I personally think that any diet with more fruit and vegetables and fewer Cheetos is on the right track).
I'm not vegan but I believe they consume legumes and grains, both huge Paleo no-no's.
Both increase inflammation levels in the blood and that's a key aspect for going Paleo.
So, no beer on a Paleo diet?
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Unfortunately no, but I sneak in one craft beer every now and then.
The biggest source of nitrates for most people is leafy green vegetables. Vegetarians sometimes have low stomach acid which contributes to increased sensitivity to nitrates. I thought wine contained sulfites, not nitrates.
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Yeah, big time for me. I love wine but the nitrates started giving me headaches when I hit my 60's. Now its Paleo Margaritas for me- a beverage based on archaeological assumptions that tropical cavemen found fermented limes and agave plants in ice caves and made a beverage from them.
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i'll be eating poppy bulbs like a real caveman or just slit my arrowhead down its plumpness & lick the milk up. maybe i'll even learn to put fire to it. we'll learn cultivation sometime & grafting & cross breeding & we'll come up w/ dynamite-thunder-god-green-bomb
been a few days & it is seriously awesome. 5:50am im up packing my swim bag. 7:30 im in the water & doing my thing for 2 hrs & 5 min. yesterday's midday meal was brussel sprouts & sauteed walnuts. supper was salmon filet, lemon wedges, g. onions, mushrooms & a large bowl of spinach w/ lemon squeezed over it
The biggest source of nitrates for most people is leafy green vegetables. Vegetarians sometimes have low stomach acid which contributes to increased sensitivity to nitrates. I thought wine contained sulfites, not nitrates.
My bad, you are correct. I'm working mids, my mind is mush.
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The biggest source of nitrates for most people is leafy green vegetables. Vegetarians sometimes have low stomach acid which contributes to increased sensitivity to nitrates. I thought wine contained sulfites, not nitrates.
My bad, you are correct. I'm working mids, my mind is mush.
Ditto. It said "nitrates" and my mind read "sulfates". But nitrates and nitrites are nasty shit too- not good for the body and can definitely contribute to migraines. Best to avoid those chemicals (amongst a host of others, of course.)
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
earlier today i thought you know i'm gonna stop by the elk & bison farm & pick myself up a pound of ground elk & a pound of ground bison. last time i was there it was $5 per lb for both elk & bison. today fucking ground elk & god damn ground bison is $9 each per lb
$20 fucking dollars for two damn pounds of healthy ass grub well that'll be small ass portions & better last all darn week got a turkey the other day, buncha fish & chicken too.
hay, feed & diesel fuel all through the ceiling making that elk & bison high dollar meat i thought of getting a frozen elk heart i was looking at there, thought i'll throw it in the crock pot after stuffing the thing fulla onions, garlic & whatnot. maybe some other time..... or maybe not
earlier today i thought you know i'm gonna stop by the elk & bison farm & pick myself up a pound of ground elk & a pound of ground bison. last time i was there it was $5 per lb for both elk & bison. today fucking ground elk & god damn ground bison is $9 each per lb
$20 fucking dollars for two damn pounds of healthy ass grub well that'll be small ass portions & better last all darn week got a turkey the other day, buncha fish & chicken too.
hay, feed & diesel fuel all through the ceiling making that elk & bison high dollar meat i thought of getting a frozen elk heart i was looking at there, thought i'll throw it in the crock pot after stuffing the thing fulla onions, garlic & whatnot. maybe some other time..... or maybe not
Time to go hunting Iowa boy.
Ps.you can rock out to the new SlipKnot while you are amongst nature.
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huh i'll be damned. egg & banana pancake. i'll try this sometime soon. lately all my meals are with walnuts. lastnight: elk burger w/ one baby porta bella mushroom diced & g. onions put into the burger as it cooked, walnuts, g. onions or leek & carrots diced up & surrounded the meat. when nearly done i threw in two handfulls of spinach. put the lid back on & bam, good grubbin
every morning im having one egg, g. onions, walnuts, sausage or pork, cabbage & carrots diced up & go. w/ a banana, few grapes & oj
check out this excellent snack: apple cut up, grapes (these are red grapes) walnut pieces & cinnamon. thrown around in a bowl. son of a... is it ever good
been on this diet now approaching a week. been swimming 2 hrs or 2 hrs & 5 min everyday. it's fucking wonderful! hard as a damn rock & losing weight. i've done this program before & then i was dropping 1/2 a pound - 1 pound daily. soon i'll be anorexic skinny. just kidding. that'll never happen unless hell freezes over
heck i've even got a 1/2 a 5th of coconut rum out there in the kitchen. testing one's willpower & determination is a high in itself
& welcome back to sleeping like a fucking log zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
The biggest source of nitrates for most people is leafy green vegetables. Vegetarians sometimes have low stomach acid which contributes to increased sensitivity to nitrates. I thought wine contained sulfites, not nitrates.
My bad, you are correct. I'm working mids, my mind is mush.
Ditto. It said "nitrates" and my mind read "sulfates". But nitrates and nitrites are nasty shit too- not good for the body and can definitely contribute to migraines. Best to avoid those chemicals (amongst a host of others, of course.)
Actually, nitrates have gotten a bad rap. There is a lot to be said for eating pastured, cured meats. Humans have been doing it for thousands of years. Our past need to preserve food meant the use of salt to keep the meat fresh. If you're getting meats cured with salt (preferably sea salt) then nitrates shouldn't pose a problem. In fact, sea salt (not the iodized, Morton's salt) has been criticized when we need it for basic cellular function. Science is reevaluating its position on foods role in chronic disease. Have you seen the recent Time magazine article on butter? The reevaluation says that butter is far superior to margarine.
After following a no processed food diet following paleo/Weston Price principles for the past 2 years, I am healthier than ever. My weight has stabilized and I am in much better health (the WAY I feel AND my numbers). And I eat bacon/lard/meat/eggs every day. Very few grains, lots of fermented foods, and lots of veggies. Daily exercise, when I can.
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
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huh i'll be damned. egg & banana pancake. i'll try this sometime soon. lately all my meals are with walnuts. lastnight: elk burger w/ one baby porta bella mushroom diced & g. onions put into the burger as it cooked, walnuts, g. onions or leek & carrots diced up & surrounded the meat. when nearly done i threw in two handfulls of spinach. put the lid back on & bam, good grubbin
every morning im having one egg, g. onions, walnuts, sausage or pork, cabbage & carrots diced up & go. w/ a banana, few grapes & oj
check out this excellent snack: apple cut up, grapes (these are red grapes) walnut pieces & cinnamon. thrown around in a bowl. son of a... is it ever good
been on this diet now approaching a week. been swimming 2 hrs or 2 hrs & 5 min everyday. it's fucking wonderful! hard as a damn rock & losing weight. i've done this program before & then i was dropping 1/2 a pound - 1 pound daily. soon i'll be anorexic skinny. just kidding. that'll never happen unless hell freezes over
heck i've even got a 1/2 a 5th of coconut rum out there in the kitchen. testing one's willpower & determination is a high in itself
& welcome back to sleeping like a fucking log zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Goodjob!
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Yeah, I've been on her site. Also, the app Yummly is pretty good.
By the way, you can make pancakes with just eggs and bananas. I think they're really good.
That sounds crazy but I looked up a recipes (really simple- one well mashed ripe banana, two beaten eggs) and it actually sounds really good! Definitely going to try them- thanks!
The biggest source of nitrates for most people is leafy green vegetables. Vegetarians sometimes have low stomach acid which contributes to increased sensitivity to nitrates. I thought wine contained sulfites, not nitrates.
My bad, you are correct. I'm working mids, my mind is mush.
Ditto. It said "nitrates" and my mind read "sulfates". But nitrates and nitrites are nasty shit too- not good for the body and can definitely contribute to migraines. Best to avoid those chemicals (amongst a host of others, of course.)
Actually, nitrates have gotten a bad rap. There is a lot to be said for eating pastured, cured meats. Humans have been doing it for thousands of years. Our past need to preserve food meant the use of salt to keep the meat fresh. If you're getting meats cured with salt (preferably sea salt) then nitrates shouldn't pose a problem. In fact, sea salt (not the iodized, Morton's salt) has been criticized when we need it for basic cellular function. Science is reevaluating its position on foods role in chronic disease. Have you seen the recent Time magazine article on butter? The reevaluation says that butter is far superior to margarine.
After following a no processed food diet following paleo/Weston Price principles for the past 2 years, I am healthier than ever. My weight has stabilized and I am in much better health (the WAY I feel AND my numbers). And I eat bacon/lard/meat/eggs every day. Very few grains, lots of fermented foods, and lots of veggies. Daily exercise, when I can.
Yeah, I've read that about butter- def. better than margarine. I gave both up and all cow dairy years ago. My body seems to do better on goat or sheep's milk/cheese and even those in only small portions. But sorry, riotgrl, you'd have to go a long way to convince me bacon is healthy but hey, what ever works for you and makes you feel good- that's great. :-)
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I've gone through 50 lbs of bacon and 55 dozen eggs so far this year and my total cholesterol is 124.
Yes, I do keep count of what I've eaten all year.
Haven't had a pop/cola in three years, no milk in almost two years, margarine since forever. I have had raw milk though.
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The biggest source of nitrates for most people is leafy green vegetables. Vegetarians sometimes have low stomach acid which contributes to increased sensitivity to nitrates. I thought wine contained sulfites, not nitrates.
My bad, you are correct. I'm working mids, my mind is mush.
Ditto. It said "nitrates" and my mind read "sulfates". But nitrates and nitrites are nasty shit too- not good for the body and can definitely contribute to migraines. Best to avoid those chemicals (amongst a host of others, of course.)
Actually, nitrates have gotten a bad rap. There is a lot to be said for eating pastured, cured meats. Humans have been doing it for thousands of years. Our past need to preserve food meant the use of salt to keep the meat fresh. If you're getting meats cured with salt (preferably sea salt) then nitrates shouldn't pose a problem. In fact, sea salt (not the iodized, Morton's salt) has been criticized when we need it for basic cellular function. Science is reevaluating its position on foods role in chronic disease. Have you seen the recent Time magazine article on butter? The reevaluation says that butter is far superior to margarine.
After following a no processed food diet following paleo/Weston Price principles for the past 2 years, I am healthier than ever. My weight has stabilized and I am in much better health (the WAY I feel AND my numbers). And I eat bacon/lard/meat/eggs every day. Very few grains, lots of fermented foods, and lots of veggies. Daily exercise, when I can.
A lot of Paleo people eat fermented foods, I can't touch it.
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I'm not vegan but I believe they consume legumes and grains, both huge Paleo no-no's.
Both increase inflammation levels in the blood and that's a key aspect for going Paleo.
holy smokes good shit
i will miss two malted pancakes at the diner. maybe later down the line a spell i'll check em out
nuts but without the salt or honey roasted... plain damn raw nuts
the cutting back on bananas is not going to be enjoyable, i've had two already today. one step at a time
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Good Luck, the first few days are rough but after a couple of weeks you'll see some changes happening and it'll really motivate you to stick with it.
Just another tip if you are trying to drop fat, only weigh in once a week. Same time, same day, once a week.
If I went paleo what would I have to eat my peanut butter and maple syrup on?
yes i am back on track, i am sure of this. if i had every penny on the planet i would give it all away for my health (everyone's better health) & no more pain. i have been done w/ grass 4.5 months now. sad thing is i had been drinking again, not daily but when i drink it's enough for 4 people. im done, done, done & done w/ everything yet again. thing is i get no help whatsoever from the pain clinic or hospital. a guy can only take so much agony. dial in the inner buddha determination, always have had it, it just gets a short distance away lost sometimes. yes surgeries are on the horizon when i get into my new upcoming life.
thank you, unsung
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
that car of mine i decided to get flung out of is a drop in the bucket. life has beat my ass, i have beat my ass.
i'll see what i can do, rr. thank you
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Actually no alcohol at all.
I guess to be true to the principles you should sneak a bottle of wine, not a craft beer. You can eat grapes, right?
I guess to be true to the principles you should sneak a bottle of wine, not a craft beer. You can eat grapes, right?
I thought wine contained sulfites, not nitrates.
or no & be sober
i'm going w/ sober for awhile
been a few days & it is seriously awesome. 5:50am im up packing my swim bag. 7:30 im in the water & doing my thing for 2 hrs & 5 min. yesterday's midday meal was brussel sprouts & sauteed walnuts. supper was salmon filet, lemon wedges, g. onions, mushrooms & a large bowl of spinach w/ lemon squeezed over it
good shit
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
today fucking ground elk & god damn ground bison is $9 each per lb
$20 fucking dollars for two damn pounds of healthy ass grub
well that'll be small ass portions & better last all darn week
got a turkey the other day, buncha fish & chicken too.
hay, feed & diesel fuel all through the ceiling making that elk & bison high dollar meat
i thought of getting a frozen elk heart i was looking at there, thought i'll throw it in the crock pot after stuffing the thing fulla onions, garlic & whatnot. maybe some other time..... or maybe not
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Ps.you can rock out to the new SlipKnot while you are amongst nature.
I use that one most. I avoid the blogs that do pancakes and other baked goods because it's pretty much just substituting coconut flour for reg flour.
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2010 - Buffalo
2013 - Buffalo, Brooklyn I, Brooklyn II
2014 - St. Paul, Milwaukee, Denver
2015 - Buenos Aires, Mexico City
2016 - New York I, New York II
every morning im having one egg, g. onions, walnuts, sausage or pork, cabbage & carrots diced up & go. w/ a banana, few grapes & oj
check out this excellent snack: apple cut up, grapes (these are red grapes) walnut pieces & cinnamon. thrown around in a bowl. son of a... is it ever good
been on this diet now approaching a week. been swimming 2 hrs or 2 hrs & 5 min everyday. it's fucking wonderful! hard as a damn rock & losing weight. i've done this program before & then i was dropping 1/2 a pound - 1 pound daily. soon i'll be anorexic skinny. just kidding. that'll never happen unless hell freezes over
heck i've even got a 1/2 a 5th of coconut rum out there in the kitchen. testing one's willpower & determination is a high in itself
& welcome back to sleeping like a fucking log zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Here's an interesting article on the use of salt (nitrates).
href="http://www.takepart.com/article/2014/10/08/cured-meat-nitrites-cancer">takepart.com/article/2014/10/08/cured-meat-nitrites-cancer
After following a no processed food diet following paleo/Weston Price principles for the past 2 years, I am healthier than ever. My weight has stabilized and I am in much better health (the WAY I feel AND my numbers). And I eat bacon/lard/meat/eggs every day. Very few grains, lots of fermented foods, and lots of veggies. Daily exercise, when I can.
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
Goodjob!
Yes, I do keep count of what I've eaten all year.
Haven't had a pop/cola in three years, no milk in almost two years, margarine since forever. I have had raw milk though.