Do you think Fetuses have souls?

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

dancepartner wrote:

But for the women who use abortion as a form of birth control — they have no soul.

There are no women who use abortion as birth control.

:fp:

actually, I know one. I slept with her. I later found out why she didn't care to use protection. She would just go get an abortion if she got pregnant. So yes, she used abortion as birth control. However, I don't believe this is common.

even flow - question mark wrote:

Worried about a fetus having a soul, but very quick to tell me that my pet dog, cat, fish, the cow in the barnyard, the horse I ride, the seal I club, the polar bear in the artic, etc....don't have souls. Odd, very, very, odd.

Not sure to whom that was directed, but if souls do exist (and I liken the word "soul" to spirit, or energy, or intelligence), they're not exclusive to human beings.

Ever looked into the eyes of a gorilla? Hell, even our cats.

(and hell yes too, even the seal you club. I'll assume that was intended with humor/sarcasm)

It's funny too, how most - myself included - took the initial post to be about aborted life. Not sure if that was the intent, but seems how it's been generally taken. So I ask again, does one mourn in the same way the loss of life via an abortion as they would a miscarriage? Consider the former as not having a soul or spirit, and the latter as having it? And if so, why?

I still think the gum-on-shoe analogy is dismissive of how those fetuses died, whether the death was intentional or not.

hedonist wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

Worried about a fetus having a soul, but very quick to tell me that my pet dog, cat, fish, the cow in the barnyard, the horse I ride, the seal I club, the polar bear in the artic, etc....don't have souls. Odd, very, very, odd.

Not sure to whom that was directed, but if souls do exist (and I liken the word "soul" to spirit, or energy, or intelligence), they're not exclusive to human beings.

Ever looked into the eyes of a gorilla? Hell, even our cats.

(and hell yes too, even the seal you club. I'll assume that was intended with humor/sarcasm)

It's funny too, how most - myself included - took the initial post to be about aborted life. Not sure if that was the intent, but seems how it's been generally taken. So I ask again, does one mourn in the same way the loss of life via an abortion as they would a miscarriage? Consider the former as not having a soul or spirit, and the latter as having it? And if so, why?

I still think the gum-on-shoe analogy is dismissive of how those fetuses died, whether the death was intentional or not.

I thought it was generally accepted amongst religious folks that only humans have souls and go to heaven?

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

hedonist wrote:

Not sure to whom that was directed, but if souls do exist (and I liken the word "soul" to spirit, or energy, or intelligence), they're not exclusive to human beings.

Ever looked into the eyes of a gorilla? Hell, even our cats.

(and hell yes too, even the seal you club. I'll assume that was intended with humor/sarcasm)

It's funny too, how most - myself included - took the initial post to be about aborted life. Not sure if that was the intent, but seems how it's been generally taken. So I ask again, does one mourn in the same way the loss of life via an abortion as they would a miscarriage? Consider the former as not having a soul or spirit, and the latter as having it? And if so, why?

I still think the gum-on-shoe analogy is dismissive of how those fetuses died, whether the death was intentional or not.

I thought it was generally accepted amongst religious folks that only humans have souls and go to heaven?

But one can believe in the soul (catchall word) and not in heaven; they're not mutually-exclusive.

(that said, I'm not sure I've heard the only-humans-in-heaven theory)

hedonist wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

hedonist wrote:

Not sure to whom that was directed, but if souls do exist (and I liken the word "soul" to spirit, or energy, or intelligence), they're not exclusive to human beings.

Ever looked into the eyes of a gorilla? Hell, even our cats.

(and hell yes too, even the seal you club. I'll assume that was intended with humor/sarcasm)

It's funny too, how most - myself included - took the initial post to be about aborted life. Not sure if that was the intent, but seems how it's been generally taken. So I ask again, does one mourn in the same way the loss of life via an abortion as they would a miscarriage? Consider the former as not having a soul or spirit, and the latter as having it? And if so, why?

I still think the gum-on-shoe analogy is dismissive of how those fetuses died, whether the death was intentional or not.

I thought it was generally accepted amongst religious folks that only humans have souls and go to heaven?

But one can believe in the soul (catchall word) and not in heaven; they're not mutually-exclusive.

(that said, I'm not sure I've heard the only-humans-in-heaven theory)

True be dat. And I will concur with you about the energy thingy, but I refuse to say soul. Cause I believe in ghosts and for me to make that statement it is either an energy or a soul. I prefer...energy.

even flow - question mark wrote:

inmytree wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

Worried about a fetus having a soul, but very quick to tell me that my pet dog, cat, fish, the cow in the barnyard, the horse I ride, the seal I club, the polar bear in the artic, etc....don't have souls. Odd, very, very, odd.

lolz....

glad so see some activity out of you, my friend...

WHERE'S THE VW BITCH?????? I mean Champ!

A bit of spare time on my hands now and then.

she's safe and sound in the driveway...don't you worry...I'll take you for a ride when you come and visit...

Jeanwah wrote:

hedonist wrote:

Not sure to whom that was directed, but if souls do exist (and I liken the word "soul" to spirit, or energy, or intelligence), they're not exclusive to human beings.

Ever looked into the eyes of a gorilla? Hell, even our cats.

(and hell yes too, even the seal you club. I'll assume that was intended with humor/sarcasm)

It's funny too, how most - myself included - took the initial post to be about aborted life. Not sure if that was the intent, but seems how it's been generally taken. So I ask again, does one mourn in the same way the loss of life via an abortion as they would a miscarriage? Consider the former as not having a soul or spirit, and the latter as having it? And if so, why?

I still think the gum-on-shoe analogy is dismissive of how those fetuses died, whether the death was intentional or not.

(to the bolded part) It's likely to be a very personal experience and not one that can be generalized. I've known women to very much mourn... and I'm sure others who don't. Me, I've had a miscarriage - a LOT of women have them. And yes I did mourn.

I can respect this (and I'm sorry for your loss). I hope my question didn't come off as flippant or insinuating that all grieve (or not) as they need. It was more tied into the initial post, which struck me as a bit light for a rather heavy subject.

Probably just my own perception though.

Jeanwah wrote:

Why didn't you use protection? Not to be so abrasive, but you know that it takes two to tango...

I was young and stupid (many many years ago). I'm not blaming her for anything, all I was saying was this was the reason that I found out later why she didn't care about using it.

Jeanwah wrote:

hedonist wrote:

Not sure to whom that was directed, but if souls do exist (and I liken the word "soul" to spirit, or energy, or intelligence), they're not exclusive to human beings.

Ever looked into the eyes of a gorilla? Hell, even our cats.

(and hell yes too, even the seal you club. I'll assume that was intended with humor/sarcasm)

It's funny too, how most - myself included - took the initial post to be about aborted life. Not sure if that was the intent, but seems how it's been generally taken. So I ask again, does one mourn in the same way the loss of life via an abortion as they would a miscarriage? Consider the former as not having a soul or spirit, and the latter as having it? And if so, why?

I still think the gum-on-shoe analogy is dismissive of how those fetuses died, whether the death was intentional or not.

(to the bolded part) It's likely to be a very personal experience and not one that can be generalized. I've known women to very much mourn... and I'm sure others who don't. Me, I've had a miscarriage - a LOT of women have them. And yes I did mourn.

Jeanwah - I agree. I've had a couple miscarriages, and grieving is a natural part of that. I am sure that there are callous women who may not think too much about having an abortion, I don't think they are the general rule though. The out-of-pocket expense would be a great hindrance if nothing else, not to mention the physical discomfort. As far as grieving after an abortion goes, what about the couple who is happy to be pregnant and then discovers to their horror that there is something so wrong that it is incompatible with life? I would guess that the grieving begins with that diagnosis and carries on long after the pregnancy is terminated.