Do you think Fetuses have souls?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

actually, I know one. I slept with her. I later found out why she didn't care to use protection. She would just go get an abortion if she got pregnant. So yes, she used abortion as birth control. However, I don't believe this is common.

Um... Ok not to point out the screamingly obvious... but saying that "SHE" didn't care to use protection is false.

Birth control isn't just the woman's responsibility. You also didn't use protection. So you should have said "WE." Unless she tied you up and had sex with you against your will, that was also partly your job and you chose not to do it.

So don't be blaming her... technically even if she DID use abortion for birth control... she still used more than you did.

Right?

Or wait... if your form of birth control "lose the slut's phone number once I had my fun?"

jesus christ man. ease up. I just said "she didn't care..." because at that point in my life I didn't care either, so once she didn't, it was a done deal. and she didn't get pregnant with me, to my knowledge. I didn't "lose the slut's phone number". we were friends before and we are still to this day.

why always so hostile?

Prince Of Dorkness

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

jesus christ man. ease up. I just said "she didn't care..." because at that point in my life I didn't care either, so once she didn't, it was a done deal. and she didn't get pregnant with me, to my knowledge. I didn't "lose the slut's phone number". we were friends before and we are still to this day.

why always so hostile?

Honestly, I know I laid that on a bit thick... but it's not really fair, regardless of how old you were, to talk about someone else's bad birth control choices when you didn't even have one, bad or otherwise.

I mean... I've practiced safe sex my whole life and unwanted pregnancies were never a worry for me.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

jesus christ man. ease up. I just said "she didn't care..." because at that point in my life I didn't care either, so once she didn't, it was a done deal. and she didn't get pregnant with me, to my knowledge. I didn't "lose the slut's phone number". we were friends before and we are still to this day.

why always so hostile?

Honestly, I know I laid that on a bit thick... but it's not really fair, regardless of how old you were, to talk about someone else's bad birth control choices when you didn't even have one, bad or otherwise.

I mean... I've practiced safe sex my whole life and unwanted pregnancies were never a worry for me.

well good for you. I went through a stage where I didn't care, so no, I didn't always. I never said it is solely the responsibility of the woman for birth control. you just made a wild accusation that I did.

all I was doing was responding to your claim that no woman uses abortion as birth control, and I know someone that did. case closed. don't go on some male responsibility crusade at my expense when that had nothing to do with my point. yes, I made horrible protection choices when I was young. I never said I didn't. luckily I came out of it alright.

whgarrett

I beg to differ. I think birth control is completely a woman's responsibility. I mean a man CAN take responsibility for it, but the weight rests on the shoulders of the woman.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

whgarrett wrote:

I beg to differ. I think birth control is completely a woman's responsibility. I mean a man CAN take responsibility for it, but the weight rests on the shoulders of the woman.

and how does that work? if she gets pregnant, is the baby all her responsibility too? because she couldn't have gotten fertilized without the hose.

whgarrett

Well, of course, the state will try and make the man responsible.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

whgarrett wrote:

Well, of course, the state will try and make the man responsible.

that's not what I asked. you don't think a man is responsible for a baby he helped create?

hedonist

It's the responsibility of BOTH involved...unless I'm missing something in the rationale.

whgarrett

Not as much as the mother.

hedonist

whgarrett wrote:

Not as much as the mother.

Maybe I could better understand if you'd be willing to explain why.

I feel like ol' Moe here...

whgarrett

There is not all that much to explain. I believe that birth control/contraceptive is the responsibility of the female. She is the one who gets pregnant.

She is the deciding factor. It is her baby. She carries it for nine months. Just my opinion.

Prince Of Dorkness

whgarrett wrote:

There is not all that much to explain. I believe that birth control/contraceptive is the responsibility of the female. She is the one who gets pregnant.

She is the deciding factor. It is her baby. She carries it for nine months. Just my opinion.

This is an extension of the lack of personal responsibility we see in a lot of very selfish people. Yes, they make a mess... But it's someone else's job to clean that up. They refuse to do their own share of anything.

But man... If someone else causes them a problem... Boy do we hear the crying and screaming.

They hit you with a car... You should watch where you're going. You hit THEM with a car... Well you should drive around them and MAN is there some hell to pay.



Or... She gets pregnant...it's her fault... But ill bet that if you got an std from a girl... You sure would be screaming about how that slut did you wrong.

Random_Wookie

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

whgarrett wrote:

There is not all that much to explain. I believe that birth control/contraceptive is the responsibility of the female. She is the one who gets pregnant.

She is the deciding factor. It is her baby. She carries it for nine months. Just my opinion.

This is an extension of the lack of personal responsibility we see in a lot of very selfish people. Yes, they make a mess... But it's someone else's job to clean that up. They refuse to do their own share of anything.

But man... If someone else causes them a problem... Boy do we hear the crying and screaming.

They hit you with a car... You should watch where you're going. You hit THEM with a car... Well you should drive around them and MAN is there some hell to pay.



Or... She gets pregnant...it's her fault... But ill bet that if you got an std from a girl... You sure would be screaming about how that slut did you wrong.

I agree that is the talk of a selfish person.

But to the question of of fetuses having a soul I am going to have to say maybe. As to if they would go to heaven/hell, I would have to say no as these two places are a man made construct.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

whgarrett wrote:

There is not all that much to explain. I believe that birth control/contraceptive is the responsibility of the female. She is the one who gets pregnant.

She is the deciding factor. It is her baby. She carries it for nine months. Just my opinion.

all you have to do is buy a mask for your little head and all is good.

whgarrett

I'm just saying that if I could get pregnant. If when I had sex, it was possible that I would have to carry a child in my womb for nine months with the added possibility that I may have to raise the child by myself, I would sure as hell take it to be MY responsibility to make sure I didn't get pregnant if I didn't want to. I sure would not think that it was the man's responsibility to keep me from getting pregnant. That's type of thinking sounds backwards to me.

You folks seem to be thinking about what's right or what a noble person should be doing. I am not. Lets say I sleep around and don't care if I impregnate a girl. Whose responsible for the contraception?

Prince Of Dorkness

If to you, raising your own child is "right and noble," I really am glad you're not my father.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

whgarrett wrote:

I'm just saying that if I could get pregnant. If when I had sex, it was possible that I would have to carry a child in my womb for nine months with the added possibility that I may have to raise the child by myself, I would sure as hell take it to be MY responsibility to make sure I didn't get pregnant if I didn't want to. I sure would not think that it was the man's responsibility to keep me from getting pregnant. That's type of thinking sounds backwards to me.

You folks seem to be thinking about what's right or what a noble person should be doing. I am not. Lets say I sleep around and don't care if I impregnate a girl. Whose responsible for the contraception?

ok, I THINK I get what you are getting at here. basically if the girl wants to make sure she doesn't get pregnant, she should take all precautions whether the guy is going to be possibly carrying protection or not. I see what you are saying.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

If to you, raising your own child is "right and noble," I really am glad you're not my father.

he's talking about a hypothetical worst case scenario here, not himself.

redrock

whgarrett wrote:

Lets say I sleep around and don't care if I impregnate a girl. Whose responsible for the contraception?

When you get slapped for maintenance for the kid you may start caring (though maybe in a not very positive way) & think twice about the responsibility of contraception.

Prince Of Dorkness

But I'll bet that if that same girl gives you an STD... you'll change your tune pretty damn fast... it was HER responsibility to protect you from it.

(and before anyone says otherwise... there are people who are HIV+ in jail for years for having sex and not telling their partners that they were infected...even though the partner wasn't infected.)