Do you think Fetuses have souls?

davidtrios

if you think fetuses have souls, imagine would heaven would be like. you'd be tip toe-ing around, trying not to step on them. if you did, it would be like bubble gum stuck to your shoes.

drinkbigredinstead

Like bubble gum:?

Yes I do believe a fetus has a soul.

unsung

What is it 51M since Roe v Wade? Such a progressive society.

even flow - question mark

So you'd have souls stuck to your soles in heaven?

Say the fetuses had committed sins already? Would I still trample on them in hell?

brianlux

If fetuses have souls and go straight to heaven they are probably thinking, "Thank you for saving me from what is very much likely to have been a miserable one. I'm quite happy here."

Since most fetuses souls and are aborted at a fish like stage, must we assume fish have souls as well? I take it you see where this is going.

What about making birth control more available and being more open about it so we don't have to have this kind of discussion in the first place?

BinauralJam

They don't go to Heaven, the haven't been baptised yet.

hedonist

I have no idea, but I'd rather give the benefit of the doubt than not.

(and I'm sorry if your post comparing them to bubble gum - really? - was in jest, but damn...kind of harsh. Might as well compare them to shit stuck on your shoe)

This makes me think about miscarriages. Would those fetuses fall under the same umbrella - as in, it's OK to mourn that loss of life, but one aborted doesn't merit the same? Do we assign "soul" based on whether or not the baby was wanted in the first place?

Not that it needs to be said, but I am prochoice.

JonnyPistachio

No I do not.
But this should turn out to be an interesting thread.

keeponrockin

I don't believe in the soul, so no.

Wilds

keeponrockin wrote:

I don't believe in the soul, so no.

drinkbigredinstead

JonnyPistachio wrote:

No I do not.
But this should turn out to be an interesting thread.

Yep, curious to see if it gets ugly or thoughtful.

keeponrockin

Furthermore, how can we say if something exists or not in a fetus if we can't quantifiably prove it exists in a human?

whgarrett

My friend swore her fetus had soul and would bounce along to the beat of drums when she was pregnant and they were on tour with the rainbow nation.

If you are talking about a religious soul, I haven't an opinion on that. If you mean they are a living creature with a spirit, then I believe yes.

Jeanwah

brianlux wrote:

What about making birth control more available and being more open about it so we don't have to have this kind of discussion in the first place?

dancepartner

Jeanwah wrote:

brianlux wrote:

What about making birth control more available and being more open about it so we don't have to have this kind of discussion in the first place?

Ditto.

Gotta run but if someone has the time, could you please look up the % of abortions & throw away babies that addicts (herion, coke, meth) add to this sad & pathetic practice.

Prince Of Dorkness

You know why you never tell anyone that you're pregnant for the first three months?

Because about a third of pregnancies self-abort or "Miscarry." Many don't ever even really become "pregnancies," just fertilized ova that don't "stick," for lack of a better word. They just pass through.

Many women have what is called a "hostile womb," which means that a fertilized egg is unable to live. Should we charge those women with murder?

Tell me...

The fetuses that get aborted because they have brains that developed outside the head... you think we should let them be born and die as their brains as smushed in labor? What do they look like in heaven?

The fetuses that have no brains at all... that's not uncommon. Or the fetuses that develop without lungs... we should let them be born and suffocate over the 2 minutes they're outside the uterus?

How about fetuses that are brain dead? Do they have souls? Should we just let those get born and die when they hit the air?

Or fetuses that are so deformed and twisted that their mother will probably die giving birth to them. Are they going to be pissed that we didn't let them "live?"

I think the idea of a "soul" is just another Jedi Mind control trick made up by the church. I think the idea that a fertilized egg having a soul is absurd.

dancepartner

Soul is subjective. When do any of us actually aquire one?
I suppose I had a glimpse of it a time or two when I was young but I didn't know to label it soul.
Consiousness on the other hand, gives birth to the meaining of soul.
It is a womans choice to give birth to whatever is growing inside her. This must stand.
But for the women who use abortion as a form of birth control — they have no soul.

Prince Of Dorkness

dancepartner wrote:

But for the women who use abortion as a form of birth control — they have no soul.

There are no women who use abortion as birth control.

:fp:

know1

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

dancepartner wrote:

But for the women who use abortion as a form of birth control — they have no soul.

There are no women who use abortion as birth control.

:fp:

You really believe that? Every abortion is a form of birth control.

I think they do have souls although I find the OP very childish in talking about stepping on them like gum. I don't think our appearance in heaven has any resemblance to our earthly bodies.

dancepartner

know1 wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

dancepartner wrote:

But for the women who use abortion as a form of birth control — they have no soul.

There are no women who use abortion as birth control.

:fp:

You really believe that? Every abortion is a form of birth control.

I think they do have souls although I find the OP very childish in talking about stepping on them like gum. I don't think our appearance in heaven has any resemblance to our earthly bodies.

Prince; i know several women who have had several abortions. Maybe I don't know what you are meaning here?

drinkbigredinstead

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

You know why you never tell anyone that you're pregnant for the first three months?

Because about a third of pregnancies self-abort or "Miscarry." Many don't ever even really become "pregnancies," just fertilized ova that don't "stick," for lack of a better word. They just pass through.

Many women have what is called a "hostile womb," which means that a fertilized egg is unable to live. Should we charge those women with murder?

Tell me...

The fetuses that get aborted because they have brains that developed outside the head... you think we should let them be born and die as their brains as smushed in labor? What do they look like in heaven?

The fetuses that have no brains at all... that's not uncommon. Or the fetuses that develop without lungs... we should let them be born and suffocate over the 2 minutes they're outside the uterus?

How about fetuses that are brain dead? Do they have souls? Should we just let those get born and die when they hit the air?

Or fetuses that are so deformed and twisted that their mother will probably die giving birth to them. Are they going to be pissed that we didn't let them "live?"

I think the idea of a "soul" is just another Jedi Mind control trick made up by the church. I think the idea that a fertilized egg having a soul is absurd.

So is that a no from you?

pj1981

If souls exist, if we have them then of course fetuses do too. I imagine everlasting energy
that we all share. Intelligent and emotional energy that is life. This energy that is us begins its life at conception.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

dancepartner wrote:

But for the women who use abortion as a form of birth control — they have no soul.

There are no women who use abortion as birth control.

:fp:

actually, I know one. I slept with her. I later found out why she didn't care to use protection. She would just go get an abortion if she got pregnant. So yes, she used abortion as birth control. However, I don't believe this is common.

even flow - question mark

Worried about a fetus having a soul, but very quick to tell me that my pet dog, cat, fish, the cow in the barnyard, the horse I ride, the seal I club, the polar bear in the artic, etc....don't have souls. Odd, very, very, odd.

hedonist

even flow - question mark wrote:

Worried about a fetus having a soul, but very quick to tell me that my pet dog, cat, fish, the cow in the barnyard, the horse I ride, the seal I club, the polar bear in the artic, etc....don't have souls. Odd, very, very, odd.

Not sure to whom that was directed, but if souls do exist (and I liken the word "soul" to spirit, or energy, or intelligence), they're not exclusive to human beings.

Ever looked into the eyes of a gorilla? Hell, even our cats.

(and hell yes too, even the seal you club. I'll assume that was intended with humor/sarcasm)

It's funny too, how most - myself included - took the initial post to be about aborted life. Not sure if that was the intent, but seems how it's been generally taken. So I ask again, does one mourn in the same way the loss of life via an abortion as they would a miscarriage? Consider the former as not having a soul or spirit, and the latter as having it? And if so, why?

I still think the gum-on-shoe analogy is dismissive of how those fetuses died, whether the death was intentional or not.

inmytree

even flow - question mark wrote:

Worried about a fetus having a soul, but very quick to tell me that my pet dog, cat, fish, the cow in the barnyard, the horse I ride, the seal I club, the polar bear in the artic, etc....don't have souls. Odd, very, very, odd.

lolz....

glad so see some activity out of you, my friend...

Hugh Freaking Dillon

hedonist wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

Worried about a fetus having a soul, but very quick to tell me that my pet dog, cat, fish, the cow in the barnyard, the horse I ride, the seal I club, the polar bear in the artic, etc....don't have souls. Odd, very, very, odd.

Not sure to whom that was directed, but if souls do exist (and I liken the word "soul" to spirit, or energy, or intelligence), they're not exclusive to human beings.

Ever looked into the eyes of a gorilla? Hell, even our cats.

(and hell yes too, even the seal you club. I'll assume that was intended with humor/sarcasm)

It's funny too, how most - myself included - took the initial post to be about aborted life. Not sure if that was the intent, but seems how it's been generally taken. So I ask again, does one mourn in the same way the loss of life via an abortion as they would a miscarriage? Consider the former as not having a soul or spirit, and the latter as having it? And if so, why?

I still think the gum-on-shoe analogy is dismissive of how those fetuses died, whether the death was intentional or not.

I thought it was generally accepted amongst religious folks that only humans have souls and go to heaven?

even flow - question mark

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

hedonist wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

Worried about a fetus having a soul, but very quick to tell me that my pet dog, cat, fish, the cow in the barnyard, the horse I ride, the seal I club, the polar bear in the artic, etc....don't have souls. Odd, very, very, odd.

Not sure to whom that was directed, but if souls do exist (and I liken the word "soul" to spirit, or energy, or intelligence), they're not exclusive to human beings.

Ever looked into the eyes of a gorilla? Hell, even our cats.

(and hell yes too, even the seal you club. I'll assume that was intended with humor/sarcasm)

It's funny too, how most - myself included - took the initial post to be about aborted life. Not sure if that was the intent, but seems how it's been generally taken. So I ask again, does one mourn in the same way the loss of life via an abortion as they would a miscarriage? Consider the former as not having a soul or spirit, and the latter as having it? And if so, why?

I still think the gum-on-shoe analogy is dismissive of how those fetuses died, whether the death was intentional or not.

I thought it was generally accepted amongst religious folks that only humans have souls and go to heaven?

nyuk, nyuk, jokes on them.

hedonist

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

hedonist wrote:

Not sure to whom that was directed, but if souls do exist (and I liken the word "soul" to spirit, or energy, or intelligence), they're not exclusive to human beings.

Ever looked into the eyes of a gorilla? Hell, even our cats.

(and hell yes too, even the seal you club. I'll assume that was intended with humor/sarcasm)

It's funny too, how most - myself included - took the initial post to be about aborted life. Not sure if that was the intent, but seems how it's been generally taken. So I ask again, does one mourn in the same way the loss of life via an abortion as they would a miscarriage? Consider the former as not having a soul or spirit, and the latter as having it? And if so, why?

I still think the gum-on-shoe analogy is dismissive of how those fetuses died, whether the death was intentional or not.

I thought it was generally accepted amongst religious folks that only humans have souls and go to heaven?

But one can believe in the soul (catchall word) and not in heaven; they're not mutually-exclusive.

(that said, I'm not sure I've heard the only-humans-in-heaven theory)

even flow - question mark

inmytree wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

Worried about a fetus having a soul, but very quick to tell me that my pet dog, cat, fish, the cow in the barnyard, the horse I ride, the seal I club, the polar bear in the artic, etc....don't have souls. Odd, very, very, odd.

lolz....

glad so see some activity out of you, my friend...

WHERE'S THE VW BITCH?????? I mean Champ!

A bit of spare time on my hands now and then.

even flow - question mark

hedonist wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

hedonist wrote:

Not sure to whom that was directed, but if souls do exist (and I liken the word "soul" to spirit, or energy, or intelligence), they're not exclusive to human beings.

Ever looked into the eyes of a gorilla? Hell, even our cats.

(and hell yes too, even the seal you club. I'll assume that was intended with humor/sarcasm)

It's funny too, how most - myself included - took the initial post to be about aborted life. Not sure if that was the intent, but seems how it's been generally taken. So I ask again, does one mourn in the same way the loss of life via an abortion as they would a miscarriage? Consider the former as not having a soul or spirit, and the latter as having it? And if so, why?

I still think the gum-on-shoe analogy is dismissive of how those fetuses died, whether the death was intentional or not.

I thought it was generally accepted amongst religious folks that only humans have souls and go to heaven?

But one can believe in the soul (catchall word) and not in heaven; they're not mutually-exclusive.

(that said, I'm not sure I've heard the only-humans-in-heaven theory)

True be dat. And I will concur with you about the energy thingy, but I refuse to say soul. Cause I believe in ghosts and for me to make that statement it is either an energy or a soul. I prefer...energy.