Do you think Fetuses have souls?

catefrances

whgarrett wrote:

Not as much as the mother.

might i suggest you keep your wang locked away lest it deliver on one of its two purposes and you be held responsible for the outcome.

JonnyPistachio

catefrances wrote:

whgarrett wrote:

Not as much as the mother.

might i suggest you keep your wang locked away lest it deliver on one of its two purposes and you be held responsible for the outcome.

mikalina wrote:

I do know that fetuses have a heart beat at 6 WEEKS. Just a tiny little thing with a beating heart. So incredible.

So an abortion at 4 weeks ends the pregnancy before the heart is formed and functioning.. That, I believe is another argument that pro choice folks use.

PJ_Soul

No.

mickeyrat

this seems appropriate to post here too.

In Genesis 2 God forms "Adam" (this time meaning a single male human) out of "the dust of the ground" and then "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life", causing him to "become a living soul" (Genesis 2:7). God then placed Adam in the Garden of Eden, giving him the commandment that "Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Genesis 2:16-17).

whgarrett

I'm picking up what you're putting down mickey, but you lost me at the part where Adam was made from dust.

mickeyrat

whgarrett wrote:

I'm picking up what you're putting down mickey, but you lost me at the part where Adam was made from dust.

quote from a very old book. said to contain the word of god. Billion plus christians believe this to be true.

Many things in this book. Some make sense to me, most dont.

PJ_Soul

mickeyrat wrote:

this seems appropriate to post here too.

In Genesis 2 God forms "Adam" (this time meaning a single male human) out of "the dust of the ground" and then "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life", causing him to "become a living soul" (Genesis 2:7). God then placed Adam in the Garden of Eden, giving him the commandment that "Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Genesis 2:16-17).

Now all I can picture is god kneeling beside some naked guy with his mouth plastered over his nose and blowing... hope God doesn't have bad breath.

peacefrompaul

PJ_Soul wrote:

Now all I can picture is god kneeling beside some naked guy with his mouth plastered over his nose and blowing... hope God doesn't have bad breath.

I'll let you be the judge of that

DriftingByTheStorm

mickeyrat wrote:

whgarrett wrote:

I'm picking up what you're putting down mickey, but you lost me at the part where Adam was made from dust.

quote from a very old book. said to contain the word of god. Billion plus christians believe this to be true.

Many things in this book. Some make sense to me, most dont.

and just to play devil's advocate here...

from Hidden Wisdom in the Holy Bible Vol II - Geoffrey Hodson

the esoteric interpretation of 'of the dust' wrote:

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. ( Gen. 2: 7 )

“Man” in Hebrew is Adam. Esoterically, the first letter, a, denotes anything primal, the first cause, potential power, Deity. The letter d is the sign of multiplication and abundance, and the final m is one of unlimited plurality. “Man” is “the spiritual One becoming the material Many, the human principle, the essence of humanity.” Dust may be regarded as “the refinement of matter, light, airy.” “Breath” in Hebrew can be translated as nishemath, “to elevate, to ennoble, being raised to a higher state, becoming an individual human soul.”

Verse seven in its literal reading is deceptive, for it somewhat suggests the theory of special creation, which runs counter to that of the cyclic emanation, involution and evolution of all beings and all things, both material and spiritual. Esoterically, however, the order of evolution is not incorrect. The first chapter of Genesis gives the history of the first three Rounds of the present Fourth Chain of Globes, and of the first three Races (types of evolving beings) on Earth in the Fourth Round (see Volume I for an explanation of the meaning of Rounds and Globes), when humanity had already attained conscious life. In the first chapter of Genesis—which deals with the earlier Rounds—animals, fishes and birds are correctly placed before humans, while in the second chapter, which continues the story, humanity is correctly introduced first.

Since evolution is a fact, this verse, in both its exoteric and esoteric readings, may be taken to describe the passage of the human Monad through the mineral (dust), the plant and the animal kingdoms (life), to the attainment of self-conscious individuality or Soulship (humanity). The word “dust” as shown above is somewhat misleading, since the original aphar (Heb.) is the present participle of a verb meaning “the process of refining.” The threefold nature of humanity—material, psychical and spiritual—is thus described, and especially the fact of humanity’s distinguishing characteristic of self-conscious individuality. The breath of life breathed into Adam, the “man of dust,” is the nascent, reasoning Soul which in the animal is instinctual only.

-source

probably lost you even more with the "rounds and globes", as you would have to then dig in to esoteric cosmology to even have a chance at understanding wtf they are talking about, but just to be fair, thought i'd include this here.

mickeyrat

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

whgarrett wrote:

I'm picking up what you're putting down mickey, but you lost me at the part where Adam was made from dust.

quote from a very old book. said to contain the word of god. Billion plus christians believe this to be true.

Many things in this book. Some make sense to me, most dont.

and just to play devil's advocate here...

from Hidden Wisdom in the Holy Bible Vol II - Geoffrey Hodson

the esoteric interpretation of 'of the dust' wrote:

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. ( Gen. 2: 7 )

“Man” in Hebrew is Adam. Esoterically, the first letter, a, denotes anything primal, the first cause, potential power, Deity. The letter d is the sign of multiplication and abundance, and the final m is one of unlimited plurality. “Man” is “the spiritual One becoming the material Many, the human principle, the essence of humanity.” Dust may be regarded as “the refinement of matter, light, airy.” “Breath” in Hebrew can be translated as nishemath, “to elevate, to ennoble, being raised to a higher state, becoming an individual human soul.”

Verse seven in its literal reading is deceptive, for it somewhat suggests the theory of special creation, which runs counter to that of the cyclic emanation, involution and evolution of all beings and all things, both material and spiritual. Esoterically, however, the order of evolution is not incorrect. The first chapter of Genesis gives the history of the first three Rounds of the present Fourth Chain of Globes, and of the first three Races (types of evolving beings) on Earth in the Fourth Round (see Volume I for an explanation of the meaning of Rounds and Globes), when humanity had already attained conscious life. In the first chapter of Genesis—which deals with the earlier Rounds—animals, fishes and birds are correctly placed before humans, while in the second chapter, which continues the story, humanity is correctly introduced first.

Since evolution is a fact, this verse, in both its exoteric and esoteric readings, may be taken to describe the passage of the human Monad through the mineral (dust), the plant and the animal kingdoms (life), to the attainment of self-conscious individuality or Soulship (humanity). The word “dust” as shown above is somewhat misleading, since the original aphar (Heb.) is the present participle of a verb meaning “the process of refining.” The threefold nature of humanity—material, psychical and spiritual—is thus described, and especially the fact of humanity’s distinguishing characteristic of self-conscious individuality. The breath of life breathed into Adam, the “man of dust,” is the nascent, reasoning Soul which in the animal is instinctual only.

-source

probably lost you even more with the "rounds and globes", as you would have to then dig in to esoteric cosmology to even have a chance at understanding wtf they are talking about, but just to be fair, thought i'd include this here.

sorry dude, I missed the part where I had a chance to understand wtf they were talking about. :P

interesting to say the least.

satansbed

No