Guns. Save. Lives.
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Had the intruder from the OP died, then guns wouldn't have saved lives.The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.0 -
know1 wrote:Had the intruder from the OP died, then guns wouldn't have saved lives.
But it did save three lives....“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
:corn:Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:aerial wrote:josevolution wrote:Nobody wants to take away your guns that you have for protection of your home & family ...
How about the government?
what possibly could the US government gain from doing this?? please, for once, tell us all why they would want to do this."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
unsung wrote:push me and i will resist wrote:Fuck guns. No positives about guns. PERIOD.
Guns are bad fuckers
My loaded gun did not harm anyone last night. I tried to ask it why it was bad but then I remembered that IT'S JUST A PIECE OF FUCKING METAL!!!!!
Yep, that can shoot aprox. 30 rounds a second. So in my opinion this thread should be called: Guns. Killes.People. Or: Guns. Destroys. Lives. But then again in the last few weeks I heard the most insane pro-gun arguments:
- guns don't kill, people do (yep, but one insane person can cause a lot of damage with a semi-automatic)
- knives are equally as lethal (yep, if you can start firing 30 rounds with a knife in a few seconds; knives are equally as lethal)
- we should protect ourselves against other criminals/ thieves (as if 911 is not close by, yep. Besides, I believe - the last time I checked - shooting someone even a thief is still manslaugther)
- we should protect ourselves against this evil communist administration (read: Obama) - I hate to bust your bubble, but in this damn age you need scuds to do so, if your government became "evil" overnight
Besides, thinking that the US government turns dictatorial overnight seems that you have little faith in your own 200+ years of democracy.
Or this one kills me time and time again:
- teachers should wear guns to protect their children. We come to a very sad state if kindergarten teachers need to carry guns to make gun-toting America happy. I know I would feel saver when my kindergarten teacher carries a semi-automatic weapon when there are more than twelve tottles around!
The irony is that one of the most democratic countries in the world is also the most paranoid. Correlation somewhere?
Either way, 14 topics on this matter, is a bit of a *yawn*.
My two cents.0 -
Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:aerial wrote:josevolution wrote:Nobody wants to take away your guns that you have for protection of your home & family ...
How about the government?
what possibly could the US government gain from doing this?? please, for once, tell us all why they would want to do this.
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million
educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
__________________“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:aerial wrote:josevolution wrote:Nobody wants to take away your guns that you have for protection of your home & family ...
How about the government?
what possibly could the US government gain from doing this?? please, for once, tell us all why they would want to do this.
Because these people are utterly paranoid. Ooooh, the Big Bad Government. Who takes care of your infrastructure, schools, police, fireman, hospitals... You may never know; they can become evil over night.0 -
fortyshades wrote:Besides, thinking that the US government turns dictatorial overnight seems that you have little faith in your own 200+ years of democracy.
I'll save them some time, but the pro-gun folks are going to tell you that its not going to happen overnight, its gradual, and that it all starts with taking away their AR-15s. Then they'lll post some silly stats about Guatemala in 1960 or Hitler, or the bad guy in Die Hard 2.
*Edit: Ha! I didnt even see aerial's post beofr eI submitted mine. See what I mean, the USA is very simialr to Guatemala in 1964...beWARE! and be ready to fight!Pick up my debut novel here on amazon: Jonny Bails Floatin (in paperback) (also available on Kindle for $2.99)0 -
aerial wrote:Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:what possibly could the US government gain from doing this?? please, for once, tell us all why they would want to do this.
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million
educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
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first: I'm talking about the US government. No dictators in the US that I'm aware of.
second: this is 2013.
third: you didn't answer the question. What could be their motivation?
fourth: so you are saying, judging from the post above, that you are fearful that the US government will take away your guns and EXTERMINATE YOU? is this correct?
if you can't answer it, fine, just say so.Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 20140 -
aerial wrote:In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million
educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
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Great examples you have collected here... And these countries were what? Established democracies?
Tell me, since you have so much historical knowledge: how is the gun control now in Germany, Cambodia etc. And do you honestly think that guns would have saved Armenians? For your information: Turkey (or then it was called the Ottoman Empire) had *no* gun control when the massacres/ genocide started. And even then the guns that Armenians did have were nothing compared to the guns the state owned. So please, in the name of the 1.5 million Armenians that have died, do not use your pro-gun propaganda in discussions of genocide.
If you honestly think that the genocidal process in the Ottoman Empire, Nazi Germany, Cambodia, Uganda could have been stopped because citizens had guns, you are deluding yourself and know very little of genocides and genocidal processes. And using these examples for your own political opinion, well, is poor taste and a complete lack of knowledge of these complex matters.0 -
JonnyPistachio wrote:fortyshades wrote:Besides, thinking that the US government turns dictatorial overnight seems that you have little faith in your own 200+ years of democracy.
I'll save them some time, but the pro-gun folks are going to tell you that its not going to happen overnight, its gradual, and that it all starts with taking away their AR-15s. Then they'lll post some silly stats about Guatemala in 1960 or Hitler, or the bad guy in Die Hard 2.
*Edit: Ha! I didnt even see aerial's post beofr eI submitted mine. See what I mean, the USA is very simialr to Guatemala in 1964...beWARE! and be ready to fight!
With all respect (not directed at you), but these genocides did not occur because the government took "the guns away" - that is silly, a simplification and simpleminded - but because these States were built on fear and hate and looking for scapegoats. To think that 6 million Jews would not have been gassed if they had "guns" is an insult to all the victims of these atrocities (it is actually blaming the victim) and a complete lack of historical and political knowledge.
This whole "I need to have guns" attitude has nothing to do with States, it has to do with fear most likely caused by personal experience. It is paranoia in its most dangerous form.
Ps: it were *citizens* who killed other *citizens* in Rwanda, Bosnia and yes the Ottoman Empire, because citizens had guns/weapons.
Simpleminded black and white thinking.
Once again; not directed at you Pistachio.0 -
Violent crimes are down over past 20 years steadily!Theres no time like the present
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!0 -
fortyshades wrote:JonnyPistachio wrote:fortyshades wrote:Besides, thinking that the US government turns dictatorial overnight seems that you have little faith in your own 200+ years of democracy.
I'll save them some time, but the pro-gun folks are going to tell you that its not going to happen overnight, its gradual, and that it all starts with taking away their AR-15s. Then they'lll post some silly stats about Guatemala in 1960 or Hitler, or the bad guy in Die Hard 2.
*Edit: Ha! I didnt even see aerial's post beofr eI submitted mine. See what I mean, the USA is very simialr to Guatemala in 1964...beWARE! and be ready to fight!
With all respect (not directed at you), but these genocides did not occur because the government took "the guns away" - that is silly, a simplification and simpleminded - but because these States were built on fear and hate and looking for scapegoats. To think that 6 million Jews would not have been gassed if they had "guns" is an insult to all the victims of these atrocities (it is actually blaming the victim) and a complete lack of historical and political knowledge.
This whole "I need to have guns" attitude has nothing to do with States, it has to do with fear most likely caused by personal experience. It is paranoia in its most dangerous form.
Ps: it were *citizens* who killed other *citizens* in Rwanda, Bosnia and yes the Ottoman Empire, because citizens had guns/weapons.
Simpleminded black and white thinking.
Once again; not directed at you Pistachio.
Yup, I agree.
I think you caught that I was being sarcastic.
I didnt have the energy to go into why bringing up these completely unrelated historical events is a bad argument for pro-gun folks. But you summed it up in your two posts, thanks! Pick up my debut novel here on amazon: Jonny Bails Floatin (in paperback) (also available on Kindle for $2.99)0 -
fear4freedom wrote:Violent crimes are down over past 20 years steadily!
Yep, in a country where the crime was high to begin with.
Besides, there are correlations. (You have to do research and calculate the significance of two variables.) Saying "crime went down" does not necessarily state that this has to do with gun ownership.0 -
@Pistachio
Yeah, I caught your sarcasm. It was not aimed at you. It was more a primary reaction from my end.0 -
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Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:aerial wrote:Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:what possibly could the US government gain from doing this?? please, for once, tell us all why they would want to do this.
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million
educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
__________________
first: I'm talking about the US government. No dictators in the US that I'm aware of.
second: this is 2013.
third: you didn't answer the question. What could be their motivation?
fourth: so you are saying, judging from the post above, that you are fearful that the US government will take away your guns and EXTERMINATE YOU? is this correct?
if you can't answer it, fine, just say so.
so are you ever going to address this?Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 20140 -
I just saw a very disturbing story on the Palm Beach Post. This happened near me and I see people commenting on it on facebook. And its appalling.
Royal Palm Beach man accused of killing friend because he was sick of being ridiculed by him
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/ ... e-h/nTq8s/
A 24-year-old Royal Palm Beach man is accused of killing his friend because “he could no longer take verbal ridicule” from him, police said.
Ronald Hight was arrested on a charge of second-degree murder after fatally shooting Craig Rivera, 31, of Wellington, on Dec. 1. Hight was booked into the Palm Beach County Jail on Tuesday afternoon.
Judge Karen M. Miller this morning ordered that he be held in lieu of $50,000 bail. Once he posts that bond, he will be placed under house arrest with a GPS monitor. Hight also was ordered not to have contact with any witnesses and not to possess any weapons.
The shooting happened shortly after 10 p.m. in the 400 block of La Mancha Avenue, just south of The Acreage and east of Royal Palm Beach Boulevard in Royal Palm Beach.
The two men were friends and were celebrating Hight’s birthday with friends and family that night.
But earlier that day Rivera was angry with Hight for some reason and threatened to hit him. Later at the party, Hight had a “bad feeling” about Rivera because of the earlier threat.
After years of being made fun of and belittled by Rivera, Hight decided to arm himself with a Glock .40-caliber handgun for the party, a Palm Beach County Sheriff’s probable cause affidavit says.
“He could no longer take verbal ridicule from Craig, Ronald made the decision to arm himself with his handgun…,” the deputy wrote.
At the party Rivera told Hight he was going to beat him up and approached him. Hight walked toward him, armed with the gun.
The two men were face to face and Rivera had his hands by his side, the affidavit says.
Hight pulled out his gun and pressed it up to Rivera’s chin.
Rivera said he wasn’t scared of it and bumped Hight with his shoulder.
“At that very moment while Ronald still had the handgun pressed under Craig’s chin, Ronald shot and killed Craig,” the deputy wrote.
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And how in the hell is he out on bond?
People on facebook are defending the idiot who shot his friend. They're saying that the friend who was shot might have beat the guys daughter, so he deserved it. Wtf? This is whats wrong with our culture? If there's an altercation, people cant get the authorities involved or handle it themselves without the pussy way out of using a gun?Pick up my debut novel here on amazon: Jonny Bails Floatin (in paperback) (also available on Kindle for $2.99)0 -
“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0
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gimmesometruth27 wrote:this story is the rare exception.
i am not surprised because all the pro gun people on amt are scouring the internet looking for every story like this one that they can find and startng a new thread about it, as if it is going to change someone's mind or something.
for every story like this one i can find 10 where the person with the gun misses or freezes and does not save anybody.
fact is, guns save lives by taking lives.
next justification please.
Actually you are just plain wrong. It's not a rare exception- 2.5 million crimes were stopped in 2011 because the victim's had a gun or rifle. And it wasn't because they saved their life by taking a life- 31,000 people died from a gun wound. And of those, the majority (19,000) were suicides. 11,000 were homicides. A negligable amont were due to a victim shooting a criminal during a crime. I'd have to look it up again, but my computer is schizing cos I have a virus, so I can't open a new tab to go check. I got the statistics from the FBI, if I recall correctly.0 -
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