Guns. Save. Lives.
Let's post why we need guns.... besides
As George Washington wrote, “A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” George Mason said, “I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.”
Friday, Jan. 4, 2013
Woman hiding with kids shoots intruder
and DISCIPLINED!!!!!!!! Because common citizens werent found to be disciplined that is why we now have a standing PROFESSIONAL army therefore the main reason FOR the 2nd amendment was made moot which was to defend the country in time of war!!
This point seems to have been skipped over so I'll bring it up again. Americans are not, as a rule, very disciplined. So this incessant claim that most gun owners are responsible lacks substance. There are ample arguments debating the grammatical merits of the 2nd amendment and whether individuals were supposed to be armed or whether it was the militia that should be armed. Here's Chief Justice Warren Burger's take on it: http://www.guncite.com/burger.html
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
Guns. Save. Lives.
Let's post why we need guns.... besides
As George Washington wrote, “A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” George Mason said, “I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.”
Friday, Jan. 4, 2013
Woman hiding with kids shoots intruder
That was also written in a time where the weapon of choice was a musket.
...and yet it still translates today.
Into what, a society of paranoid, fearful would-be warriors? Your gun won't protect you from a modern US government. Like it or not, guns don't save lives. Statistics don't bare it out, anecdotal stories of trigger-happy would-be killers are all the pro-gun crowd have to live by. The way some gun owners talk about their guns, it almost seems like some sort of fantasy for you to have the opportunity to shoot an intruder.
Guns. Save. Lives.
Let's post why we need guns.... besides
As George Washington wrote, “A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” George Mason said, “I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.”
Friday, Jan. 4, 2013
Woman hiding with kids shoots intruder
My loaded gun did not harm anyone last night. I tried to ask it why it was bad but then I remembered that IT'S JUST A PIECE OF FUCKING METAL!!!!!
a gun in the hand of someone is an extension of that person. how is that hard to understand.
i have to say one thing. I have been away from this website for over 3 weeks and I am impressed that nothing has changed.
I agree.
And unsung, you make some good points and you're a smart dude, but some of these attempts to downplay the gun are really far fetched... just a piece of fucking metal? Come on man.
Franklin County Sheriff's Deputies said the two teens were playing in the garage of a residence on the 300 block of May Avenue and the gun was not secured.
Around 1:30 p.m. the 14-year-old younger boy accidentally shot the 15-year-old in the abdomen. He was listed in stable condition at a hospital Sunday afternoon.
No charges have been filed at this time. The investigation is ongoing."
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It's a postive thing the kid is in stable condition.
The 14 year old was quoted as saying, "Oooopppps".
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Mat 27th 1999......Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.
These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness. The following is a portion of the transcript:
"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good &evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.
"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.
"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent
I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.
Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!
"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact.
What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws.
Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.
"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him.
To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!
My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"
- Darrell Scott
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Guns save lives???
Well not in the short run, but eventually evolution will take its course and the gene pool will adjust percentage of those with high fear levels as they and their offspring slowly shoot and kill themselves. Accidental shootings, alcohol induced shootings, spousal shootings etc etc, happens everyday in Amerika. Yeah a few criminals may be shot and a few non-fearfull humans will be lost in the mêlée. Hell, we probably should give them away free to speed up the process. I jest….mostly.
The ooooold adage from gun rights folks is that “it’s not the gun that kills, it’s the human that kills using a gun”. This scares the shit out of me when I’m in a public gathering, such as a restaurant or wherever there is a gathering of humans. I look around and it makes me shudder that these humans that I’m watching have the right to carry a gun, and in Texas many have them hidden in their pants or purses. ….arghhh.
a general is basically saying guns end lives and something needs to be done, and that there are some weapons that do not belong in the hands of john q public....
McChrystal says ‘serious action’ needed on gun control
Speaking on MSNBC’s "Morning Joe" Tuesday, Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the former commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, said some weapons should be carried only by soldiers, not civilians.
"I spent a career carrying typically either an M16, and later an M4 carbine," he said. "And an M4 carbine fires a .223 caliber round, which is 5.56 millimeters, at about 3,000 feet per second. When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It's designed to do that. And that's what our soldiers ought to carry."
The general added, "I personally don't think there's any need for that kind of weaponry on the streets and particularly around the schools in America. I believe that we've got to take a serious look. I understand everybody's desire to have whatever they want, but we’ve got to protect our children, we’ve got to protect our police, we've got to protect our population. And I think we have to take a very mature look at that."
The general, who had to resign his position as commander of the U.S. Forces in Afghanistan after a Rolling Stone magazine profile in 2010 that included unflattering comments about the Obama administration, is back in the public eye to promote his book, "My Share of the Task."
The former military man told the show, “I think serious action is necessary. Sometimes we talk about very limited actions on the edges, and I just don’t think that’s enough.”
Asked what his message would be to the NRA and the House Judiciary Committee, he said, “I think we have to look at legislation. The number of people in America killed by firearms is extraordinary compared to other nations. And I don’t think we’re a bloodthirsty culture, and so I think we need to look at everything we can do to safeguard our people.”
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
a general is basically saying guns end lives and something needs to be done, and that there are some weapons that do not belong in the hands of john q public....
McChrystal says ‘serious action’ needed on gun control
Speaking on MSNBC’s "Morning Joe" Tuesday, Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the former commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, said some weapons should be carried only by soldiers, not civilians.
"I spent a career carrying typically either an M16, and later an M4 carbine," he said. "And an M4 carbine fires a .223 caliber round, which is 5.56 millimeters, at about 3,000 feet per second. When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It's designed to do that. And that's what our soldiers ought to carry."
The general added, "I personally don't think there's any need for that kind of weaponry on the streets and particularly around the schools in America. I believe that we've got to take a serious look. I understand everybody's desire to have whatever they want, but we’ve got to protect our children, we’ve got to protect our police, we've got to protect our population. And I think we have to take a very mature look at that."
The general, who had to resign his position as commander of the U.S. Forces in Afghanistan after a Rolling Stone magazine profile in 2010 that included unflattering comments about the Obama administration, is back in the public eye to promote his book, "My Share of the Task."
The former military man told the show, “I think serious action is necessary. Sometimes we talk about very limited actions on the edges, and I just don’t think that’s enough.”
Asked what his message would be to the NRA and the House Judiciary Committee, he said, “I think we have to look at legislation. The number of people in America killed by firearms is extraordinary compared to other nations. And I don’t think we’re a bloodthirsty culture, and so I think we need to look at everything we can do to safeguard our people.”
Just a good reminder that some things were not made for your average Joe, and from someone who knows a lot about these weapons and their purposes.
Nobody wants to take away your guns that you have for protection of your home & family ...
How about the government?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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Had the intruder from the OP died, then guns wouldn't have saved lives.
But it did save three lives....
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
My loaded gun did not harm anyone last night. I tried to ask it why it was bad but then I remembered that IT'S JUST A PIECE OF FUCKING METAL!!!!!
Yep, that can shoot aprox. 30 rounds a second. So in my opinion this thread should be called: Guns. Killes.People. Or: Guns. Destroys. Lives. But then again in the last few weeks I heard the most insane pro-gun arguments:
- guns don't kill, people do (yep, but one insane person can cause a lot of damage with a semi-automatic)
- knives are equally as lethal (yep, if you can start firing 30 rounds with a knife in a few seconds; knives are equally as lethal)
- we should protect ourselves against other criminals/ thieves (as if 911 is not close by, yep. Besides, I believe - the last time I checked - shooting someone even a thief is still manslaugther)
- we should protect ourselves against this evil communist administration (read: Obama) - I hate to bust your bubble, but in this damn age you need scuds to do so, if your government became "evil" overnight
Besides, thinking that the US government turns dictatorial overnight seems that you have little faith in your own 200+ years of democracy.
Or this one kills me time and time again:
- teachers should wear guns to protect their children. We come to a very sad state if kindergarten teachers need to carry guns to make gun-toting America happy. I know I would feel saver when my kindergarten teacher carries a semi-automatic weapon when there are more than twelve tottles around!
The irony is that one of the most democratic countries in the world is also the most paranoid. Correlation somewhere?
Either way, 14 topics on this matter, is a bit of a *yawn*.
Nobody wants to take away your guns that you have for protection of your home & family ...
How about the government?
what possibly could the US government gain from doing this?? please, for once, tell us all why they would want to do this.
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million
educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
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“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Nobody wants to take away your guns that you have for protection of your home & family ...
How about the government?
what possibly could the US government gain from doing this?? please, for once, tell us all why they would want to do this.
Because these people are utterly paranoid. Ooooh, the Big Bad Government. Who takes care of your infrastructure, schools, police, fireman, hospitals... You may never know; they can become evil over night.
Besides, thinking that the US government turns dictatorial overnight seems that you have little faith in your own 200+ years of democracy.
I'll save them some time, but the pro-gun folks are going to tell you that its not going to happen overnight, its gradual, and that it all starts with taking away their AR-15s. Then they'lll post some silly stats about Guatemala in 1960 or Hitler, or the bad guy in Die Hard 2.
*Edit: Ha! I didnt even see aerial's post beofr eI submitted mine. See what I mean, the USA is very simialr to Guatemala in 1964...beWARE! and be ready to fight!
what possibly could the US government gain from doing this?? please, for once, tell us all why they would want to do this.
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million
educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
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first: I'm talking about the US government. No dictators in the US that I'm aware of.
second: this is 2013.
third: you didn't answer the question. What could be their motivation?
fourth: so you are saying, judging from the post above, that you are fearful that the US government will take away your guns and EXTERMINATE YOU? is this correct?
if you can't answer it, fine, just say so.
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In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million
educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
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Great examples you have collected here... And these countries were what? Established democracies?
Tell me, since you have so much historical knowledge: how is the gun control now in Germany, Cambodia etc. And do you honestly think that guns would have saved Armenians? For your information: Turkey (or then it was called the Ottoman Empire) had *no* gun control when the massacres/ genocide started. And even then the guns that Armenians did have were nothing compared to the guns the state owned. So please, in the name of the 1.5 million Armenians that have died, do not use your pro-gun propaganda in discussions of genocide.
If you honestly think that the genocidal process in the Ottoman Empire, Nazi Germany, Cambodia, Uganda could have been stopped because citizens had guns, you are deluding yourself and know very little of genocides and genocidal processes. And using these examples for your own political opinion, well, is poor taste and a complete lack of knowledge of these complex matters.
Besides, thinking that the US government turns dictatorial overnight seems that you have little faith in your own 200+ years of democracy.
I'll save them some time, but the pro-gun folks are going to tell you that its not going to happen overnight, its gradual, and that it all starts with taking away their AR-15s. Then they'lll post some silly stats about Guatemala in 1960 or Hitler, or the bad guy in Die Hard 2.
*Edit: Ha! I didnt even see aerial's post beofr eI submitted mine. See what I mean, the USA is very simialr to Guatemala in 1964...beWARE! and be ready to fight!
With all respect (not directed at you), but these genocides did not occur because the government took "the guns away" - that is silly, a simplification and simpleminded - but because these States were built on fear and hate and looking for scapegoats. To think that 6 million Jews would not have been gassed if they had "guns" is an insult to all the victims of these atrocities (it is actually blaming the victim) and a complete lack of historical and political knowledge.
This whole "I need to have guns" attitude has nothing to do with States, it has to do with fear most likely caused by personal experience. It is paranoia in its most dangerous form.
Ps: it were *citizens* who killed other *citizens* in Rwanda, Bosnia and yes the Ottoman Empire, because citizens had guns/weapons.
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This point seems to have been skipped over so I'll bring it up again. Americans are not, as a rule, very disciplined. So this incessant claim that most gun owners are responsible lacks substance. There are ample arguments debating the grammatical merits of the 2nd amendment and whether individuals were supposed to be armed or whether it was the militia that should be armed. Here's Chief Justice Warren Burger's take on it:
http://www.guncite.com/burger.html
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
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Into what, a society of paranoid, fearful would-be warriors? Your gun won't protect you from a modern US government. Like it or not, guns don't save lives. Statistics don't bare it out, anecdotal stories of trigger-happy would-be killers are all the pro-gun crowd have to live by. The way some gun owners talk about their guns, it almost seems like some sort of fantasy for you to have the opportunity to shoot an intruder.
The United States really is a scary place.
No, it doesn't. Muskets of the 1770's couldn't fire over 100 rounds in 3 minutes.
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a gun in the hand of someone is an extension of that person. how is that hard to understand.
i have to say one thing. I have been away from this website for over 3 weeks and I am impressed that nothing has changed.
I agree.
And unsung, you make some good points and you're a smart dude, but some of these attempts to downplay the gun are really far fetched... just a piece of fucking metal? Come on man.
http://www.kndu.com/story/20515899/brot ... ot-in-mesa
Dateline: MESA, Wash. 06January2013 -
"A 15-year-old boy is recovering after getting accidentally shot by his younger brother Sunday.
Franklin County Sheriff's Deputies said the two teens were playing in the garage of a residence on the 300 block of May Avenue and the gun was not secured.
Around 1:30 p.m. the 14-year-old younger boy accidentally shot the 15-year-old in the abdomen. He was listed in stable condition at a hospital Sunday afternoon.
No charges have been filed at this time. The investigation is ongoing."
...
It's a postive thing the kid is in stable condition.
The 14 year old was quoted as saying, "Oooopppps".
Hail, Hail!!!
These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness. The following is a portion of the transcript:
"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good &evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.
"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.
"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent
I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.
Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!
"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact.
What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws.
Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.
"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him.
To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!
My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"
- Darrell Scott
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Well not in the short run, but eventually evolution will take its course and the gene pool will adjust percentage of those with high fear levels as they and their offspring slowly shoot and kill themselves. Accidental shootings, alcohol induced shootings, spousal shootings etc etc, happens everyday in Amerika. Yeah a few criminals may be shot and a few non-fearfull humans will be lost in the mêlée. Hell, we probably should give them away free to speed up the process. I jest….mostly.
The ooooold adage from gun rights folks is that “it’s not the gun that kills, it’s the human that kills using a gun”. This scares the shit out of me when I’m in a public gathering, such as a restaurant or wherever there is a gathering of humans. I look around and it makes me shudder that these humans that I’m watching have the right to carry a gun, and in Texas many have them hidden in their pants or purses. ….arghhh.
McChrystal says ‘serious action’ needed on gun control
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/mcc ... 28785.html
Speaking on MSNBC’s "Morning Joe" Tuesday, Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the former commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, said some weapons should be carried only by soldiers, not civilians.
"I spent a career carrying typically either an M16, and later an M4 carbine," he said. "And an M4 carbine fires a .223 caliber round, which is 5.56 millimeters, at about 3,000 feet per second. When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It's designed to do that. And that's what our soldiers ought to carry."
The general added, "I personally don't think there's any need for that kind of weaponry on the streets and particularly around the schools in America. I believe that we've got to take a serious look. I understand everybody's desire to have whatever they want, but we’ve got to protect our children, we’ve got to protect our police, we've got to protect our population. And I think we have to take a very mature look at that."
The general, who had to resign his position as commander of the U.S. Forces in Afghanistan after a Rolling Stone magazine profile in 2010 that included unflattering comments about the Obama administration, is back in the public eye to promote his book, "My Share of the Task."
The former military man told the show, “I think serious action is necessary. Sometimes we talk about very limited actions on the edges, and I just don’t think that’s enough.”
Asked what his message would be to the NRA and the House Judiciary Committee, he said, “I think we have to look at legislation. The number of people in America killed by firearms is extraordinary compared to other nations. And I don’t think we’re a bloodthirsty culture, and so I think we need to look at everything we can do to safeguard our people.”
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Just a good reminder that some things were not made for your average Joe, and from someone who knows a lot about these weapons and their purposes.
How about the government?
The government doesn't want to either.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Yup
You better get down in your bomb shelter because your muslim president has called in the blue helmeted U.N. troops to take your guns
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what possibly could the US government gain from doing this?? please, for once, tell us all why they would want to do this.
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“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
But it did save three lives....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Yep, that can shoot aprox. 30 rounds a second. So in my opinion this thread should be called: Guns. Killes.People. Or: Guns. Destroys. Lives. But then again in the last few weeks I heard the most insane pro-gun arguments:
- guns don't kill, people do (yep, but one insane person can cause a lot of damage with a semi-automatic)
- knives are equally as lethal (yep, if you can start firing 30 rounds with a knife in a few seconds; knives are equally as lethal)
- we should protect ourselves against other criminals/ thieves (as if 911 is not close by, yep. Besides, I believe - the last time I checked - shooting someone even a thief is still manslaugther)
- we should protect ourselves against this evil communist administration (read: Obama) - I hate to bust your bubble, but in this damn age you need scuds to do so, if your government became "evil" overnight
Besides, thinking that the US government turns dictatorial overnight seems that you have little faith in your own 200+ years of democracy.
Or this one kills me time and time again:
- teachers should wear guns to protect their children. We come to a very sad state if kindergarten teachers need to carry guns to make gun-toting America happy. I know I would feel saver when my kindergarten teacher carries a semi-automatic weapon when there are more than twelve tottles around!
The irony is that one of the most democratic countries in the world is also the most paranoid. Correlation somewhere?
Either way, 14 topics on this matter, is a bit of a *yawn*.
My two cents.
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million
educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
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Because these people are utterly paranoid. Ooooh, the Big Bad Government. Who takes care of your infrastructure, schools, police, fireman, hospitals... You may never know; they can become evil over night.
I'll save them some time, but the pro-gun folks are going to tell you that its not going to happen overnight, its gradual, and that it all starts with taking away their AR-15s. Then they'lll post some silly stats about Guatemala in 1960 or Hitler, or the bad guy in Die Hard 2.
*Edit: Ha! I didnt even see aerial's post beofr eI submitted mine. See what I mean, the USA is very simialr to Guatemala in 1964...beWARE! and be ready to fight!
first: I'm talking about the US government. No dictators in the US that I'm aware of.
second: this is 2013.
third: you didn't answer the question. What could be their motivation?
fourth: so you are saying, judging from the post above, that you are fearful that the US government will take away your guns and EXTERMINATE YOU? is this correct?
if you can't answer it, fine, just say so.
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Great examples you have collected here... And these countries were what? Established democracies?
Tell me, since you have so much historical knowledge: how is the gun control now in Germany, Cambodia etc. And do you honestly think that guns would have saved Armenians? For your information: Turkey (or then it was called the Ottoman Empire) had *no* gun control when the massacres/ genocide started. And even then the guns that Armenians did have were nothing compared to the guns the state owned. So please, in the name of the 1.5 million Armenians that have died, do not use your pro-gun propaganda in discussions of genocide.
If you honestly think that the genocidal process in the Ottoman Empire, Nazi Germany, Cambodia, Uganda could have been stopped because citizens had guns, you are deluding yourself and know very little of genocides and genocidal processes. And using these examples for your own political opinion, well, is poor taste and a complete lack of knowledge of these complex matters.
With all respect (not directed at you), but these genocides did not occur because the government took "the guns away" - that is silly, a simplification and simpleminded - but because these States were built on fear and hate and looking for scapegoats. To think that 6 million Jews would not have been gassed if they had "guns" is an insult to all the victims of these atrocities (it is actually blaming the victim) and a complete lack of historical and political knowledge.
This whole "I need to have guns" attitude has nothing to do with States, it has to do with fear most likely caused by personal experience. It is paranoia in its most dangerous form.
Ps: it were *citizens* who killed other *citizens* in Rwanda, Bosnia and yes the Ottoman Empire, because citizens had guns/weapons.
Simpleminded black and white thinking.
Once again; not directed at you Pistachio.