Besides, thinking that the US government turns dictatorial overnight seems that you have little faith in your own 200+ years of democracy.
I'll save them some time, but the pro-gun folks are going to tell you that its not going to happen overnight, its gradual, and that it all starts with taking away their AR-15s. Then they'lll post some silly stats about Guatemala in 1960 or Hitler, or the bad guy in Die Hard 2.
*Edit: Ha! I didnt even see aerial's post beofr eI submitted mine. See what I mean, the USA is very simialr to Guatemala in 1964...beWARE! and be ready to fight!
With all respect (not directed at you), but these genocides did not occur because the government took "the guns away" - that is silly, a simplification and simpleminded - but because these States were built on fear and hate and looking for scapegoats. To think that 6 million Jews would not have been gassed if they had "guns" is an insult to all the victims of these atrocities (it is actually blaming the victim) and a complete lack of historical and political knowledge.
This whole "I need to have guns" attitude has nothing to do with States, it has to do with fear most likely caused by personal experience. It is paranoia in its most dangerous form.
Ps: it were *citizens* who killed other *citizens* in Rwanda, Bosnia and yes the Ottoman Empire, because citizens had guns/weapons.
Simpleminded black and white thinking.
Once again; not directed at you Pistachio.
Yup, I agree.
I think you caught that I was being sarcastic. I didnt have the energy to go into why bringing up these completely unrelated historical events is a bad argument for pro-gun folks. But you summed it up in your two posts, thanks!
Violent crimes are down over past 20 years steadily!
Yep, in a country where the crime was high to begin with.
Besides, there are correlations. (You have to do research and calculate the significance of two variables.) Saying "crime went down" does not necessarily state that this has to do with gun ownership.
what possibly could the US government gain from doing this?? please, for once, tell us all why they would want to do this.
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million
educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
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first: I'm talking about the US government. No dictators in the US that I'm aware of.
second: this is 2013.
third: you didn't answer the question. What could be their motivation?
fourth: so you are saying, judging from the post above, that you are fearful that the US government will take away your guns and EXTERMINATE YOU? is this correct?
if you can't answer it, fine, just say so.
so are you ever going to address this?
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A 24-year-old Royal Palm Beach man is accused of killing his friend because “he could no longer take verbal ridicule” from him, police said.
Ronald Hight was arrested on a charge of second-degree murder after fatally shooting Craig Rivera, 31, of Wellington, on Dec. 1. Hight was booked into the Palm Beach County Jail on Tuesday afternoon.
Judge Karen M. Miller this morning ordered that he be held in lieu of $50,000 bail. Once he posts that bond, he will be placed under house arrest with a GPS monitor. Hight also was ordered not to have contact with any witnesses and not to possess any weapons.
The shooting happened shortly after 10 p.m. in the 400 block of La Mancha Avenue, just south of The Acreage and east of Royal Palm Beach Boulevard in Royal Palm Beach.
The two men were friends and were celebrating Hight’s birthday with friends and family that night.
But earlier that day Rivera was angry with Hight for some reason and threatened to hit him. Later at the party, Hight had a “bad feeling” about Rivera because of the earlier threat.
After years of being made fun of and belittled by Rivera, Hight decided to arm himself with a Glock .40-caliber handgun for the party, a Palm Beach County Sheriff’s probable cause affidavit says.
“He could no longer take verbal ridicule from Craig, Ronald made the decision to arm himself with his handgun…,” the deputy wrote.
At the party Rivera told Hight he was going to beat him up and approached him. Hight walked toward him, armed with the gun.
The two men were face to face and Rivera had his hands by his side, the affidavit says.
Hight pulled out his gun and pressed it up to Rivera’s chin.
Rivera said he wasn’t scared of it and bumped Hight with his shoulder.
“At that very moment while Ronald still had the handgun pressed under Craig’s chin, Ronald shot and killed Craig,” the deputy wrote.
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And how in the hell is he out on bond?
People on facebook are defending the idiot who shot his friend. They're saying that the friend who was shot might have beat the guys daughter, so he deserved it. Wtf? This is whats wrong with our culture? If there's an altercation, people cant get the authorities involved or handle it themselves without the pussy way out of using a gun?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
i am not surprised because all the pro gun people on amt are scouring the internet looking for every story like this one that they can find and startng a new thread about it, as if it is going to change someone's mind or something.
for every story like this one i can find 10 where the person with the gun misses or freezes and does not save anybody.
fact is, guns save lives by taking lives.
next justification please.
Actually you are just plain wrong. It's not a rare exception- 2.5 million crimes were stopped in 2011 because the victim's had a gun or rifle. And it wasn't because they saved their life by taking a life- 31,000 people died from a gun wound. And of those, the majority (19,000) were suicides. 11,000 were homicides. A negligable amont were due to a victim shooting a criminal during a crime. I'd have to look it up again, but my computer is schizing cos I have a virus, so I can't open a new tab to go check. I got the statistics from the FBI, if I recall correctly.
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Nobody wants to take away your guns that you have for protection of your home & family ...
How about the government?
what possibly could the US government gain from doing this?? please, for once, tell us all why they would want to do this.
leaders in history have disarmed the citizens before they extermination the people and before they could dictate fully.......It's history......taking peoples right away to protect them selves does nothing to exterminate mental illness or evil.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
leaders in history have disarmed the citizens before they extermination the people and before they could dictate fully.......It's history......taking peoples right away to protect them selves does nothing to exterminate mental illness or evil.
of course in theory they COULD do it. in theory you can do anything. But you didn't answer the question. what would the US government gain from it?
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leaders in history have disarmed the citizens before they extermination the people and before they could dictate fully.......It's history......taking peoples right away to protect them selves does nothing to exterminate mental illness or evil.
of course in theory they COULD do it. in theory you can do anything. But you didn't answer the question. what would the US government gain from it?
there is only one war..economy..
goverment doesnt give a shit about the guns or disarmed the citizens
actually i think they let them have them so they feel are free to fight against them..
haha..what a joke...
goverment creates a crisis,banks get fucked,people loosing their job and houses..
but hey..still have the guns...!!!
how stupid people are...
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
leaders in history have disarmed the citizens before they extermination the people and before they could dictate fully.......It's history......taking peoples right away to protect them selves does nothing to exterminate mental illness or evil.
This is the one argument I hear from the pro-gun crowd that I simply don't understand. Honestly, what difference is a semiautomatic weapon going to make against a government that controls the world's largest military with more firepower than the rest of the world combined? If the US government ever decided to go full-out fascist there is no way you are going to compete with their strength. They wouldn't even have to confront you face-to-face; it would probably just as easy to take you out with a drone. How on earth do you expect to stand up to something like that?
leaders in history have disarmed the citizens before they extermination the people and before they could dictate fully.......It's history......taking peoples right away to protect them selves does nothing to exterminate mental illness or evil.
aerial this is a lie.
hitler won control from the ballot box. he won elections. he had the majority of the population behind him. he was a popular guy. time magazine named him man of the year twice in the 1930s. he did not just seize power and start taking guns away. he did it through taking control of the POLITICS. the german people voted for him and went along with what he wanted to do.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
leaders in history have disarmed the citizens before they extermination the people and before they could dictate fully.......It's history......taking peoples right away to protect them selves does nothing to exterminate mental illness or evil.
This is the one argument I hear from the pro-gun crowd that I simply don't understand. Honestly, what difference is a semiautomatic weapon going to make against a government that controls the world's largest military with more firepower than the rest of the world combined? If the US government ever decided to go full-out fascist there is no way you are going to compete with their strength. They wouldn't even have to confront you face-to-face; it would probably just as easy to take you out with a drone. How on earth do you expect to stand up to something like that?
there are 3 levels in winning the war....to have the biggest gun is the 3rd you need to win..
communication number 1..transport number 2...goverment will kick your ass ,before the 1st bullet...
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
leaders in history have disarmed the citizens before they extermination the people and before they could dictate fully.......It's history......taking peoples right away to protect them selves does nothing to exterminate mental illness or evil.
This is the one argument I hear from the pro-gun crowd that I simply don't understand. Honestly, what difference is a semiautomatic weapon going to make against a government that controls the world's largest military with more firepower than the rest of the world combined? If the US government ever decided to go full-out fascist there is no way you are going to compete with their strength. They wouldn't even have to confront you face-to-face; it would probably just as easy to take you out with a drone. How on earth do you expect to stand up to something like that?
The Syrian rebels have far less fire power. They're still making progress..not that I support this arguement cos I highly doubt our military would ever allow our Government to do a take over like that..
I dunno about Hitler, but disarming was certainly one of Castro's first acts. He didn't want anyone pulling the same stunt he did to gain control..
leaders in history have disarmed the citizens before they extermination the people and before they could dictate fully.......It's history......taking peoples right away to protect them selves does nothing to exterminate mental illness or evil.
This is the one argument I hear from the pro-gun crowd that I simply don't understand. Honestly, what difference is a semiautomatic weapon going to make against a government that controls the world's largest military with more firepower than the rest of the world combined? If the US government ever decided to go full-out fascist there is no way you are going to compete with their strength. They wouldn't even have to confront you face-to-face; it would probably just as easy to take you out with a drone. How on earth do you expect to stand up to something like that?
The Syrian rebels have far less fire power. They're still making progress..not that I support this arguement cos I highly doubt our military would ever allow our Government to do a take over like that..
I dunno about Hitler, but disarming was certainly one of Castro's first acts. He didn't want anyone pulling the same stunt he did to gain control..
The Syrian military also has far less firepower. Honestly, every time gun control is brought up, gun advocates insist you can't compare gun homicides between nations because the US is distinct and more free than anywhere else yet when it comes to fighting one's government you're comparing Syria, a country with an insignificant military with aging technology to the US, the most powerful nation on earth?
Moreover, if your military isn't going to support your government's move towards fascism, why would citizens need semiautomatic weapons in the first place? I just don't get this line of thinking.
The Syrian military also has far less firepower. Honestly, every time gun control is brought up, gun advocates insist you can't compare gun homicides between nations because the US is distinct and more free than anywhere else yet when it comes to fighting one's government you're comparing Syria, a country with an insignificant military with aging technology to the US, the most powerful nation on earth?
Moreover, if your military isn't going to support your government's move towards fascism, why would citizens need semiautomatic weapons in the first place? I just don't get this line of thinking.
The military has more firepower than the rebels. It was just an example of how having fewer guns doesn't necessarily mean you lose automatically..
I can think of 3 great reasons to own rifles..riots, looters, and hunting (if you're into hunting..). There is always looting after a hurricane. Living in Miami, I probably should own a rifle..
There are still those that believe in personally response ability.....we cannot depend on the military right away....good people will die first trying to defend there constitutional rights.....Who knows how many deaths it would take before people start believing what is REALLY happening....you know the media will spin it as some crazy person not wanting to give up his/her arms....and those progressives that believe we do not have a right to bare arms will agree with the media...
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
screw it
i'm going out sometime soon & getting my ass a gun. i have the right to protect my family & loved ones against those who wanna fuck around. this is my fucking right (as a fucking human being, you'd think, right)as a united states citizen born & raised. i depend on me & me alone to save me from bad guys. the cops are 20 miles away. fuck that. i should have a gun under my bed. this is what is driving me... all these bullshit gun debates on here... shit & shit.
guns save lives... fact. they also take lives, innocent or evil.
There are still those that believe in personally response ability.....we cannot depend on the military right away....good people will die first trying to defend there constitutional rights.....Who knows how many deaths it would take before people start believing what is REALLY happening....you know the media will spin it as some crazy person not wanting to give up his/her arms....and those progressives that believe we do not have a right to bare arms will agree with the media...
I can think of 3 great reasons to own rifles..riots, looters, and hunting (if you're into hunting..). There is always looting after a hurricane. Living in Miami, I probably should own a rifle..
Your stuff is worth killing someone over? Last I checked, the punishment for theft is not the death penalty.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I can think of 3 great reasons to own rifles..riots, looters, and hunting (if you're into hunting..). There is always looting after a hurricane. Living in Miami, I probably should own a rifle..
Your stuff is worth killing someone over? Last I checked, the punishment for theft is not the death penalty.
Im glad you got past how unusual of an excuse this is to arm oneself. Always looters after hurricanes? :?
I think there's been one bad hurricane in Miami in a few dozen years, but hey, whatever makes you feel safer!
I can think of 3 great reasons to own rifles..riots, looters, and hunting (if you're into hunting..). There is always looting after a hurricane. Living in Miami, I probably should own a rifle..
Your stuff is worth killing someone over? Last I checked, the punishment for theft is not the death penalty.
I can think of 3 great reasons to own rifles..riots, looters, and hunting (if you're into hunting..). There is always looting after a hurricane. Living in Miami, I probably should own a rifle..
Your stuff is worth killing someone over? Last I checked, the punishment for theft is not the death penalty.
should be. would result in less theft
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A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!
Yup, I agree.
I think you caught that I was being sarcastic.
Yep, in a country where the crime was high to begin with.
Besides, there are correlations. (You have to do research and calculate the significance of two variables.) Saying "crime went down" does not necessarily state that this has to do with gun ownership.
Yeah, I caught your sarcasm. It was not aimed at you. It was more a primary reaction from my end.
You can't prove that.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
so are you ever going to address this?
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Royal Palm Beach man accused of killing friend because he was sick of being ridiculed by him
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/ ... e-h/nTq8s/
A 24-year-old Royal Palm Beach man is accused of killing his friend because “he could no longer take verbal ridicule” from him, police said.
Ronald Hight was arrested on a charge of second-degree murder after fatally shooting Craig Rivera, 31, of Wellington, on Dec. 1. Hight was booked into the Palm Beach County Jail on Tuesday afternoon.
Judge Karen M. Miller this morning ordered that he be held in lieu of $50,000 bail. Once he posts that bond, he will be placed under house arrest with a GPS monitor. Hight also was ordered not to have contact with any witnesses and not to possess any weapons.
The shooting happened shortly after 10 p.m. in the 400 block of La Mancha Avenue, just south of The Acreage and east of Royal Palm Beach Boulevard in Royal Palm Beach.
The two men were friends and were celebrating Hight’s birthday with friends and family that night.
But earlier that day Rivera was angry with Hight for some reason and threatened to hit him. Later at the party, Hight had a “bad feeling” about Rivera because of the earlier threat.
After years of being made fun of and belittled by Rivera, Hight decided to arm himself with a Glock .40-caliber handgun for the party, a Palm Beach County Sheriff’s probable cause affidavit says.
“He could no longer take verbal ridicule from Craig, Ronald made the decision to arm himself with his handgun…,” the deputy wrote.
At the party Rivera told Hight he was going to beat him up and approached him. Hight walked toward him, armed with the gun.
The two men were face to face and Rivera had his hands by his side, the affidavit says.
Hight pulled out his gun and pressed it up to Rivera’s chin.
Rivera said he wasn’t scared of it and bumped Hight with his shoulder.
“At that very moment while Ronald still had the handgun pressed under Craig’s chin, Ronald shot and killed Craig,” the deputy wrote.
****
And how in the hell is he out on bond?
People on facebook are defending the idiot who shot his friend. They're saying that the friend who was shot might have beat the guys daughter, so he deserved it. Wtf? This is whats wrong with our culture? If there's an altercation, people cant get the authorities involved or handle it themselves without the pussy way out of using a gun?
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Actually you are just plain wrong. It's not a rare exception- 2.5 million crimes were stopped in 2011 because the victim's had a gun or rifle. And it wasn't because they saved their life by taking a life- 31,000 people died from a gun wound. And of those, the majority (19,000) were suicides. 11,000 were homicides. A negligable amont were due to a victim shooting a criminal during a crime. I'd have to look it up again, but my computer is schizing cos I have a virus, so I can't open a new tab to go check. I got the statistics from the FBI, if I recall correctly.
your post have great fuckin inspiration!!
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of course in theory they COULD do it. in theory you can do anything. But you didn't answer the question. what would the US government gain from it?
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goverment doesnt give a shit about the guns or disarmed the citizens
actually i think they let them have them so they feel are free to fight against them..
haha..what a joke...
goverment creates a crisis,banks get fucked,people loosing their job and houses..
but hey..still have the guns...!!!
how stupid people are...
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
:-D
This is the one argument I hear from the pro-gun crowd that I simply don't understand. Honestly, what difference is a semiautomatic weapon going to make against a government that controls the world's largest military with more firepower than the rest of the world combined? If the US government ever decided to go full-out fascist there is no way you are going to compete with their strength. They wouldn't even have to confront you face-to-face; it would probably just as easy to take you out with a drone. How on earth do you expect to stand up to something like that?
hitler won control from the ballot box. he won elections. he had the majority of the population behind him. he was a popular guy. time magazine named him man of the year twice in the 1930s. he did not just seize power and start taking guns away. he did it through taking control of the POLITICS. the german people voted for him and went along with what he wanted to do.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
communication number 1..transport number 2...goverment will kick your ass ,before the 1st bullet...
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
The Syrian rebels have far less fire power. They're still making progress..not that I support this arguement cos I highly doubt our military would ever allow our Government to do a take over like that..
I dunno about Hitler, but disarming was certainly one of Castro's first acts. He didn't want anyone pulling the same stunt he did to gain control..
The Syrian military also has far less firepower. Honestly, every time gun control is brought up, gun advocates insist you can't compare gun homicides between nations because the US is distinct and more free than anywhere else yet when it comes to fighting one's government you're comparing Syria, a country with an insignificant military with aging technology to the US, the most powerful nation on earth?
Moreover, if your military isn't going to support your government's move towards fascism, why would citizens need semiautomatic weapons in the first place? I just don't get this line of thinking.
The military has more firepower than the rebels. It was just an example of how having fewer guns doesn't necessarily mean you lose automatically..
I can think of 3 great reasons to own rifles..riots, looters, and hunting (if you're into hunting..). There is always looting after a hurricane. Living in Miami, I probably should own a rifle..
i'm going out sometime soon & getting my ass a gun. i have the right to protect my family & loved ones against those who wanna fuck around. this is my fucking right (as a fucking human being, you'd think, right)as a united states citizen born & raised. i depend on me & me alone to save me from bad guys. the cops are 20 miles away. fuck that. i should have a gun under my bed. this is what is driving me... all these bullshit gun debates on here... shit & shit.
guns save lives... fact. they also take lives, innocent or evil.
fact is evil should be wearing a bullet. fuck it!
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Progressives do not want to stop the right to have guns. We want to stop lunatics from having ak47s and shooting up schools.
The woman in your story didn't have an assault rifle, she had a .38 handgun. One that nobody is trying to take away from you.
Mixed with your very blatant lies about how the nazis came to power, you are just trying to tile people up.
Much like you did during the election and you can see where that got you.
I dunno bout what she said, but just a little point on something you said..what is labelled an "assault" rifle really is just a rifle..
Your stuff is worth killing someone over? Last I checked, the punishment for theft is not the death penalty.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Im glad you got past how unusual of an excuse this is to arm oneself. Always looters after hurricanes? :?
I think there's been one bad hurricane in Miami in a few dozen years, but hey, whatever makes you feel safer!
should be. would result in less theft
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