CIA director David Petraeus resigns

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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    norm wrote:
    tybird wrote:
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    Ok... is this 1967?

    Why do we care about an extra-marital affair?

    I mean honestly... who cares? Does this really affect anyone here?
    Your top spy should not have a blackmail worthy secret....not a moral issue in this case.

    and then there's this

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11 ... s-say?lite

    ugh... I guess that answers the earlier question about why is an affair a big deal.
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  • comebackgirl
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    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    Ok... is this 1967?

    Why do we care about an extra-marital affair?

    I mean honestly... who cares? Does this really affect anyone here?
    Seriously. I rolled my eyes as soon as I heard the news. This is news? Maybe we'd be better off just assuming that anyone in high level office is having an affair from the get go so it can be non-news. The headlines can be about the officials that don't cheat. Although that's really sad too.

    Interesting timing to this though. How would it not raise questions?
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  • norm
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    blackredyellow wrote:
    pjl44 wrote:
    blackredyellow wrote:
    I don't really see the big deal... The Deputy Director (now Acting Director) will testify. I'm sure they both got the same briefing and reports of what happened, and will divulge/not divulge whatever info that they want.

    Unless Michael Morell completely throws Petraeus under the bus, I think that this is a non-issue.

    Wow. Would your opinion change if Morell fails to answer questions because he claims to not have the knowledge to do so? Also, why couldn't Petraeus appear before the committee anyway?

    If he claims that he doesn't have knowledge of something, then yes, that's a problem. But how can the Deputy Director say that anymore than the Director could? And why start thinking conspiracy on what he is going to say before he even testifies?

    I'm guessing once Patraeus resigned, he wouldn't have the authority to speak on classified information? No idea there though.

    yeah that's kinda what i'm thinking...the cia director has been called to testify as to what the cia knew re: libya...since he's no longer the cia director, he can't testify...now, if and when they want to know what petraeus knew, they'll call him



    if one wants to get their tin foil hats on, one can ponder when the white knew what of the affair...and did they hold up on it until after the election

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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    comebackgirl wrote:
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    Ok... is this 1967?

    Why do we care about an extra-marital affair?

    I mean honestly... who cares? Does this really affect anyone here?
    Seriously. I rolled my eyes as soon as I heard the news. This is news? Maybe we'd be better off just assuming that anyone in high level office is having an affair from the get go so it can be non-news. The headlines can be about the officials that don't cheat. Although that's really sad too.

    Interesting timing to this though. How would it not raise questions?

    My first reaction was that he waited until now not to disrupt the election. If a week before the election, Obama's CIA chief quits, it could have had a negative impact on him. I would bet that Petraeus (or anyone in a cabinet level postion) wouldn't want to do that to him.
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  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    blackredyellow wrote:
    comebackgirl wrote:
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    Ok... is this 1967?

    Why do we care about an extra-marital affair?

    I mean honestly... who cares? Does this really affect anyone here?
    Seriously. I rolled my eyes as soon as I heard the news. This is news? Maybe we'd be better off just assuming that anyone in high level office is having an affair from the get go so it can be non-news. The headlines can be about the officials that don't cheat. Although that's really sad too.

    Interesting timing to this though. How would it not raise questions?

    My first reaction was that he waited until now not to disrupt the election. If a week before the election, Obama's CIA chief quits, it could have had a negative impact on him. I would bet that Petraeus (or anyone in a cabinet level postion) wouldn't want to do that to him.
    That makes sense. I guess I just don't understand why he's resigning because of this in the first place.
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  • BinauralJam
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  • Who Princess
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    blackredyellow wrote:
    ummmm.... he resigned and admitted to an affair without anyone publicly knowing about it first. How is that anything other than accountability or transparency? Would you have felt better if his affair was outed in the press and he resigned in a scandal? It's easy to admit something and resign after you are caught, he didn't do that.
    It wasn't in the press yet but the FBI was investigating him so I think it's safe to say it would have been public fairly soon. Maybe he was trying to head that off.
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  • JaneNY
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    Who Princess wrote:
    blackredyellow wrote:
    ummmm.... he resigned and admitted to an affair without anyone publicly knowing about it first. How is that anything other than accountability or transparency? Would you have felt better if his affair was outed in the press and he resigned in a scandal? It's easy to admit something and resign after you are caught, he didn't do that.
    It wasn't in the press yet but the FBI was investigating him so I think it's safe to say it would have been public fairly soon. Maybe he was trying to head that off.

    So he kept what little control of the situation that he had left. I don't see a problem with that.

    I don't give a hoot who had an affair with who. The annoying thing is it is gong to be the lead story on every big news agency for the next few days, instead of more interesting things.
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  • PJFAN13
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    General Petraeus only came forward with the revelation after the FBI discovered evidence of the affair while conducting an investigation into whether his computer was compromised - BY his "girlfriend"...(what secrets did SHE find out about, hmmm)

    This has nothing to do with being honorable or full of integrity or doing the right thing. The fact of the matter is he got caught red-handed.

    I would love to see the divorce numbers on CIA officials. I bet its huge. Gone all the time, living double lives, being paid to keep secrets...ripe profession for affairs I'd think...

    By all accounts, General Patraeus was an exceptional leader in both the intelligence field and battle field. Poor judgment on his part, which we expect more or better judgment from people in his position.

    That this resignation happened 3 days after Obama won re-election? 5 days before he was going to testify on the Benghazi disaster? Last night they said upon resignation, he loses his security clearance. Couldn't the new / interim head give him clearance to testify? Did the FBI keep this from Obama? I'm not sure the Obama team is happy at all - just opens the door for all kinds of questions...

    This will be interesting...
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  • norm
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    FBI probe of Petraeus triggered by e-mail threats from biographer, officials say
    By Sari Horwitz and Greg Miller, Saturday, November 10, 11:17 AM

    The collapse of the dazzling career of CIA Director David H. Petraeus was triggered when a woman with whom he was having an affair sent threatening e-mails to another woman close to him, according to three senior law enforcement officials with knowledge of the episode.

    The recipient of the e-mails was so frightened that she went to the FBI for protection and help tracking down the sender, according to the officials. The FBI investigation traced the threats to Paula Broadwell, a former military officer and Petraeus biographer, and uncovered explicit e-mails between Broadwell and Petraeus, the officials said.

    When Petraeus’s name first surfaced, FBI investigators were concerned that the CIA director’s personal e-mail account had been hacked and security had been breached. But the sexual nature of the e-mails led them to conclude that Petraeus and Broadwell were engaged in an affair, the officials said.

    The identity of the woman who received the e-mails was not disclosed and the nature of her relationship with Petraeus is unknown. The law enforcement officials said the e-mails indicated that Broadwell perceived the other woman as a threat to her relationship with Petraeus.

    Attempts to reach Broadwell and her relatives have been unsuccessful and she has not made a public statement since she was linked with Petraeus on Friday.

    All three senior officials who described the impetus for the investigation spoke on condition their names be withheld because aspects of the inquiry are ongoing.

    Petraeus, a retired four-star Army general who was once seen as a potential presidential candidate, said on Friday that he was resigning as CIA chief because he had been involved in an extramarital affair. He has been married for 37 years and has two children. Broadwell is married and has two children.

    In an e-mail message sent to a longtime friend on Friday night, Petraeus expressed regret for letting down his family — and the nation. The friend, who described the contents of the message on the condition of anonymity, said Petraeus conveyed profound remorse in the message.

    “He was deeply sorry for the pain he has caused his family,” the friend said. “He also noted how much he loved his job at the agency. He said he really relished the intellectual challenge there.”

    The timing of the resignation has caused a controversy, with members of Congress and others questioning why the disclosure was not made until after Tuesday’s election. Some have also complained that the FBI did not notify the White House and senior members of Congress earlier that the CIA director was under investigation.

    The law enforcement officials did not provide an exact time line for the investigation, but they said that the inquiry started at least several weeks ago. They said investigators thought they were dealing with a routine harassment case until they discovered the e-mails were traced to a private e-mail account belonging to Petraeus.

    The initial concern was that someone had broken into the CIA director’s e-mail account, leading to concerns about potential security breaches, according to the officials. As the investigation proceeded and more e-mails emerged, along with Broadwell’s role, FBI investigators realized they had uncovered an affair between Petraeus and Broadwell, the officials said.

    The investigators first interviewed Petraeus about two weeks ago, the officials said. Petraeus was told at the time that no criminal charges would be forthcoming and the idea of him resigning was not raised, the officials said.

    One of the law enforcement officials said Justice Department officials were unclear on what steps to take next because they had determined that there had been no crime and no breach of security.

    It was not until Tuesday that the Justice Department notified James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, that compromising material about Petraeus had been uncovered as part of an investigation, according to a senior intelligence official. Clapper then spoke with Petraeus and told him to resign.

    “Director Clapper learned of the situation from the FBI on Tuesday evening around 5 p.m.,” the intelligence official said. “In subsequent conversations with Director Petraeus, Director Clapper advised Director Petraeus to resign.”

    The official declined to say whether Petraeus had considered resigning at that point, but he said it was quickly clear to Clapper that stepping down was “the right thing to do” for Petraeus.

    The official said that Clapper has been fully briefed on all aspects of the FBI investigation and has not called for the DNI or CIA to conduct a follow-on probe or damage assessment -- indicating that Clapper does not see the case as a security threat.

    “There are no investigations beyond” that initiated by the FBI, the intelligence official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter.

    The official also would not address why the DNI and others weren’t notified of the FBI investigation -- and its link to Petraeus -- earlier.

    “This is a very personal matter, not a matter of intelligence,” the official said. “There are protocols for this. I would imagine things have to cross a certain threshold before they are reportable.”

    Clapper told the White House late on Wednesday and no action was taken until Thursday morning, when Obama was informed. Petraeus came to the White House later on Thursday and offered his resignation. The president accepted it on Friday.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    this is crazy.

    i am not sure about the timing though.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    edited November 2012
    Yeah, I really don't understand this at all, which is why I'm thinking something weird is going on. No one gives a flying fuck if the FBI director is banging his biographer. I find it hard to believe that this is the real reason he is losing the position. I do not think it has anything to do with Benghazi either, since his simple resignation would have no impact in any circumstance I can imagine. Unless, I suppose, something about it down the pipeline is likely to surface which would force his resignation, and they're beating a scandal to it, since this crazy bitch he was sleeping with was going to go public anyway, so why not beat her to it and avoid anREAL future problem at the same time - 2 birds with one stone.

    Also, I seriously doubt that this would have had any impact whatsoever on the election, so the delay of this info seems irrelevant (even though it seems likely that the election is the reason the info wasn't released earlier... I just don't think it matters that they thought that would be a good idea as far as the outcome of the election goes... unless, of course, there is a fear of the REAL reason behind this resignation would get out, and THAT would affect the outcome... and what outcome would the FBI investigators be trying to avoid, anyway? An Obama win or a Romney win?? That the White House knew nothing , supposedly, is interesting... but not necessarily true either). So wtf is up?? Talk about interesting... IF we ever find out what's really going on, that is.

    I suppose there is another possibility. Besides a conspiracy theory, I mean. The guy could just be such an arrogant son of a bitch that he actually believes his stupid affair would have an impact on national politics, and begged investigators to keep it hush hush until after the election, so his his sex life didn't turn the history of the world on a dime. If that's the case, then hahahaha!!
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    Smellyman wrote:
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    tybird wrote:
    Your top spy should not have a blackmail worthy secret....not a moral issue in this case.


    Right... but the secret is out now so can't really blackmail him with it anymore.

    But I guess I see your point. That' a very good reason.

    I guess it's a bit different for say... a line worker at a GM plant than the guy who knows the names and addresses of the SEALs who took out Bin Ladin.

    call me a conspiracy theorist, but I can gurantee they have way more to blackmail than a menial affair.
    I agree! Not to mention plain bribery. I doubt there has ever been a director of the FBI who wasn't having an affair, frankly. Hoover was lucky he never married. And if that would be an issue for that position, then it would be an issuebfor all FBI agents, and i seriously doubt that fucking someone on the side is a fireable offence. There is no way FBI investigators would consider a regular affair reason to invalidate the FBI director's ability to do his job. This whole thing is just weird. But again, it could be just plain old unfathomable arrogance at work.
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  • comebackgirl
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    norm wrote:
    hope no bunnies were harmed
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    You had to mention the bunny :fp:
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    okie doke...this story has officially gone off the rails :wtf: :lol::lol:
    In conclusion: a woman having an affair with the director of the CIA sent threatening emails to another woman she thought might be having an affair with the same CIA director, and then that woman reported the emails to an FBI agent, who then became obsessed and sent her harassing emails of his own, including some in which he was shirtless. This is officially some next level shit.
    http://gawker.com/5960001/an-fbi-agent- ... socialflow
  • Who Princess
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    norm wrote:
    okie doke...this story has officially gone off the rails :wtf: :lol::lol:
    In conclusion: a woman having an affair with the director of the CIA sent threatening emails to another woman she thought might be having an affair with the same CIA director, and then that woman reported the emails to an FBI agent, who then became obsessed and sent her harassing emails of his own, including some in which he was shirtless. This is officially some next level shit.
    http://gawker.com/5960001/an-fbi-agent- ... socialflow
    :wtf:

    Still trying to figure out how the head of a massive security agency couldn't have the sense not to send emails to his girlfriend.
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    Who Princess wrote:
    norm wrote:
    okie doke...this story has officially gone off the rails :wtf: :lol::lol:
    In conclusion: a woman having an affair with the director of the CIA sent threatening emails to another woman she thought might be having an affair with the same CIA director, and then that woman reported the emails to an FBI agent, who then became obsessed and sent her harassing emails of his own, including some in which he was shirtless. This is officially some next level shit.
    http://gawker.com/5960001/an-fbi-agent- ... socialflow
    :wtf:

    Still trying to figure out how the head of a massive security agency couldn't have the sense not to send emails to his girlfriend.

    I'm gonna go with ego.
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Who Princess wrote:
    norm wrote:
    okie doke...this story has officially gone off the rails :wtf: :lol::lol:
    In conclusion: a woman having an affair with the director of the CIA sent threatening emails to another woman she thought might be having an affair with the same CIA director, and then that woman reported the emails to an FBI agent, who then became obsessed and sent her harassing emails of his own, including some in which he was shirtless. This is officially some next level shit.
    http://gawker.com/5960001/an-fbi-agent- ... socialflow
    :wtf:

    Still trying to figure out how the head of a massive security agency couldn't have the sense not to send emails to his girlfriend.

    Sex makes otherwise intelligent people do fucked up things... Remember that story a couple of years ago about that astronaut who drove across country wearing a diaper so she could kidnap a rival homewrecker?
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    seen this somewhere...

    broadwell puts the ass back in "classified"
    broadwell gives new meaning to "embedded"
    broadwell fancys "ass licking little chicken shits"
  • Jason P
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    Jill Kelley, The General Slayer.

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