Morning in America ...a Note From Michael Moore

Hugh Freaking Dillon · November 2012

cincybearcat wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Being wealthy does not automatically mean you are part of the 1%.

Well, by actual definition it sure does.

so, correct me if I'm wrong, but your opinion is that every person who is rich is part of the problem?

brianlux · November 2012

I think Moore has done some good work both in his books and his films and I also think sometimes he's not so on the mark. But so what? He's one guy. I don't know about the rest of the world, but here in America we seen to place an awful lot of focus on just a few people. We do love our stars whether they be angels or demons.

cincybearcat · November 2012

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Being wealthy does not automatically mean you are part of the 1%.

Well, by actual definition it sure does.

so, correct me if I'm wrong, but your opinion is that every person who is rich is part of the problem?

I never said that the 1% was the problem. Michael Moore did, Obama did, not I.

I think there are people in everyone of those %'s that is the problem.

cincybearcat · November 2012

brianlux wrote:

I think Moore has done some good work both in his books and his films and I also think sometimes he's not so on the mark. But so what? He's one guy. I don't know about the rest of the world, but here in America we seen to place an awful lot of focus on just a few people. We do love our stars whether they be angels or demons.

Well, we lack royalty.

brianlux · November 2012

cincybearcat wrote:

brianlux wrote:

I think Moore has done some good work both in his books and his films and I also think sometimes he's not so on the mark. But so what? He's one guy. I don't know about the rest of the world, but here in America we seen to place an awful lot of focus on just a few people. We do love our stars whether they be angels or demons.

Well, we lack royalty.

I seem to be the only person I know who thinks this way, but I think we should have some form of "royalty". To me it would make sense to have a "king" or "queen"- someone who looks good, who represents us as a personality but has little actual power. And really, that's kind of the way it really is anyway. The president has a cabinet but all the focus goes on one person. The executive branch should be a committee. People have told me that that's what congress is for and I say "a committee not a mob".

Hugh Freaking Dillon · November 2012

cincybearcat wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

so, correct me if I'm wrong, but your opinion is that every person who is rich is part of the problem?

I never said that the 1% was the problem. Michael Moore did, Obama did, not I.

I think there are people in everyone of those %'s that is the problem.

spot on.

BinauralJam · November 2012

cincybearcat wrote:

brianlux wrote:

I think Moore has done some good work both in his books and his films and I also think sometimes he's not so on the mark. But so what? He's one guy. I don't know about the rest of the world, but here in America we seen to place an awful lot of focus on just a few people. We do love our stars whether they be angels or demons.

Well, we lack royalty.

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cincybearcat · November 2012

BinauralJam wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

brianlux wrote:

I think Moore has done some good work both in his books and his films and I also think sometimes he's not so on the mark. But so what? He's one guy. I don't know about the rest of the world, but here in America we seen to place an awful lot of focus on just a few people. We do love our stars whether they be angels or demons.

Well, we lack royalty.

All hail the queen!!!! Damn, she is fine. I wish I had Michael Moore's $ and house...I bet I could get a lookalike!!!

brianlux · November 2012

cincybearcat wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Well, we lack royalty.

All hail the queen!!!! Damn, she is fine. I wish I had Michael Moore's $ and house...I bet I could get a lookalike!!!

There you go! That's the ticket!

even flow - question mark · November 2012

"And please Mr. President, make the banks and Wall Street pay. You're the boss, not them."

Note to M. Moore: You do pay attention, right? His staff was and is loaded from day one of his first term with Goldman/Sachs players. I guess it was a bit of a typo when you typed "not them". Who da boss? Big bizniz.

cincybearcat · November 2012

You know what? She's in the 1%. I think I may agree with Obama...tax the shirt off of her back!!!!

Back to Moore - one interesting thing I see is it seemed like he was squirming when called out on the 1% (by $) issue. I am surprised that he wasn;t prepared with a far better answer. He's not stupid, but in this case, he seemed to be caught with his pants down.

Johnny Abruzzo · November 2012

cincybearcat wrote:

You know what? She's in the 1%. I think I may agree with Obama...tax the shirt off of her back!!!!

Back to Moore - one interesting thing I see is it seemed like he was squirming when called out on the 1% (by $) issue. I am surprised that he wasn;t prepared with a far better answer. He's not stupid, but in this case, he seemed to be caught with his pants down.

As you say, by definition Moore is part of the 1%, whether he likes it or not. So is Soros, Jay-Z, George Clooney, Sara Jessica Parker and all those other Obama supporters. That doesn't make them bad people or part of the problem or whatever, it's just a fact.

lukin2006 · November 2012

When he did sicko he had some facts wrong about Canada ... according to our local media.

The hospital he said he was at was actually a walk in clinic ... no hospital would let him and his crew in ... no filming allowed inside hospitals ... and some of the people he interviewed said they only waited 20 minutes (remember he claimed he was at a hospital), I'd like to find a hospital in Canada where you only wait 20 minutes, probably takes you 20 minutes or longer just to register. The 2 hospitals in my area the wait time can exceed 8 hours.

I believe he also said we don't pay ... yes we do ...we pay taxes and here in Ontario we also have health tax levy.

As far as I'm concerned he spreads misinformation.

But hey no one on the left spreads misinformation.

Johnny Abruzzo · November 2012

lukin2006 wrote:

When he did sicko he had some facts wrong about Canada ... according to our local media.

The hospital he said he was at was actually a walk in clinic ... no hospital would let him and his crew in ... no filming allowed inside hospitals ... and some of the people he interviewed said they only waited 20 minutes (remember he claimed he was at a hospital), I'd like to find a hospital in Canada where you only wait 20 minutes, probably takes you 20 minutes or longer just to register. The 2 hospitals in my area the wait time can exceed 8 hours.

I believe he also said we don't pay ... yes we do ...we pay taxes and here in Ontario we also have health tax levy.

As far as I'm concerned he spreads misinformation.

But hey no one on the left spreads misinformation.

Hopefully we can make our health care system work well for everyone, not just those who work for companies who pay for it or who are able to obtain health insurance. I think those problems are more serious than Canada's.

Hugh Freaking Dillon · November 2012

lukin2006 wrote:

When he did sicko he had some facts wrong about Canada ... according to our local media.

The hospital he said he was at was actually a walk in clinic ... no hospital would let him and his crew in ... no filming allowed inside hospitals ... and some of the people he interviewed said they only waited 20 minutes (remember he claimed he was at a hospital), I'd like to find a hospital in Canada where you only wait 20 minutes, probably takes you 20 minutes or longer just to register. The 2 hospitals in my area the wait time can exceed 8 hours.

I believe he also said we don't pay ... yes we do ...we pay taxes and here in Ontario we also have health tax levy.

As far as I'm concerned he spreads misinformation.

But hey no one on the left spreads misinformation.

yeah, I haven't seen Sicko, but I've heard about him talking about how great the Canadian healthcare system is, I thought "not very good investigative journalism, there Mike". I had appendicitis recently. While I was treated very well, I was in the waiting room at emergency for about 8 hours before I got a bed. And that's only because appendicitis is quite serious. People with just broken bones and such can wait up to 24 hours.

think about that people. waiting 24 hours in a waiting room in an uncomfortable chair. it's great that it's socialized, but not so great that all the doctors left to go to the States where they get twice the pay.

lukin2006 · November 2012

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

When he did sicko he had some facts wrong about Canada ... according to our local media.

The hospital he said he was at was actually a walk in clinic ... no hospital would let him and his crew in ... no filming allowed inside hospitals ... and some of the people he interviewed said they only waited 20 minutes (remember he claimed he was at a hospital), I'd like to find a hospital in Canada where you only wait 20 minutes, probably takes you 20 minutes or longer just to register. The 2 hospitals in my area the wait time can exceed 8 hours.

I believe he also said we don't pay ... yes we do ...we pay taxes and here in Ontario we also have health tax levy.

As far as I'm concerned he spreads misinformation.

But hey no one on the left spreads misinformation.

yeah, I haven't seen Sicko, but I've heard about him talking about how great the Canadian healthcare system is, I thought "not very good investigative journalism, there Mike". I had appendicitis recently. While I was treated very well, I was in the waiting room at emergency for about 8 hours before I got a bed. And that's only because appendicitis is quite serious. People with just broken bones and such can wait up to 24 hours.

think about that people. waiting 24 hours in a waiting room in an uncomfortable chair. it's great that it's socialized, but not so great that all the doctors left to go to the States where they get twice the pay.

YIKES!!! waiting 8 hours with appendicitis...unbelievable, glad your alright. Yes it's great that its socialized...but the community I used to live in 5 years ago was nearly impossible to get a family Doctor, had only the ER and 1 walk-in clinic...this is a community of 45000...my parents still live there and just recently lost there Doctor, still impossible to get a family Dr. 5 years later not much has improved...we made the decision to move to where we're at for the better health care option...longer drive to work, but we have a family dr., which is nice plus loads of walk in clinics which are good for weekends and after hour care.

Sadly those wait times will likely increase as our population becomes an aging population.

lukin2006 · November 2012

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

When he did sicko he had some facts wrong about Canada ... according to our local media.

The hospital he said he was at was actually a walk in clinic ... no hospital would let him and his crew in ... no filming allowed inside hospitals ... and some of the people he interviewed said they only waited 20 minutes (remember he claimed he was at a hospital), I'd like to find a hospital in Canada where you only wait 20 minutes, probably takes you 20 minutes or longer just to register. The 2 hospitals in my area the wait time can exceed 8 hours.

I believe he also said we don't pay ... yes we do ...we pay taxes and here in Ontario we also have health tax levy.

As far as I'm concerned he spreads misinformation.

But hey no one on the left spreads misinformation.

Hopefully we can make our health care system work well for everyone, not just those who work for companies who pay for it or who are able to obtain health insurance. I think those problems are more serious than Canada's.

Some things are really nice...you just show your health and that pretty much covers everything (doctors visits, all test, hospital stays). If you need elective surgery, that can take a while. But generally if you're really sick the system does take care of...but some people do slip through the cracks. I know in sicko he mentioned prescription drugs, unless your on welfare, disability or have private insurance, prescription drugs are not covered, neither is dental, optometry, chiropractor...it really is basic health care...but you'll never go poor if you get sick...or as a co worker says to me "at least we're never to poor to be sick". Does it need improving, yes...it underfunded.

But when I watched sicko and I saw that piece on Canada I knew he was full of BS...and apparently that piece on Cuba was misleading, one of the news stations in the States interviewed Cubans who defected and they said the average Person in Cuba don't get that kind of treatment...thats just what I saw...they could just be pissed a Cuba.

musicismylife78 · November 2012

as much as i respect michael, i think its midnight in america, and has been for a LONG time

RFTC · November 2012

Bronx Bombers wrote:

In this interview Tuesday, Michael Moore got somewhat heated when CNN host Piers Morgan asked for him to admit that he's part of the 1%. Moore stumbled trying to defend his wealth while at the same time make an argument that Capitalism has nothing to do with his stockpile of dough.

Take a look at the exchange between Morgan and Moore:

Morgan: I need you to admit the bleeding obvious. I need you to sit here and say, I'm in the 1 percent, because it's important.

Moore: Well, I can't. Because I'm not.

Morgan: Because the validity of your argument -- you are, though.

Moore: No, I'm not. I'm not.

Morgan: You're not in the 1 percent?

Moore: Of course I'm not. How can I be in the 1 percent?

Morgan: Because you're worth millions.

Moore: No, that's not true. Listen, I do really well. I do well. But what's the point, though? Isn't that --

Morgan: I do, because I find it more interesting if you're in the 1 percent because I think you probably are.

Moore: Yes. Yes.

Morgan: You qualify.

Moore: Right.

Morgan: That you are railing against a lot of capitalist ideals.

Moore: Well, then if you believe that about me, then that's really something, isn't it?

Morgan: No, I'm asking if you accept that.

Moore: That even -- that even though -- that even though I do well, that I don't associate myself with those who do well, I am devoting my life to those who have less and who have been crapped upon by the system. And that's how I spend my time, my energy, my money on trying to up-end this system that I think is a system of violence, it's a system that's unfair to the average working person of this country.

For someone who states he is not in the top 1% that fat bastard has done pretty well for himself, 50mm net worth, 1mm plus apt on the UWS and this 2mm vacation home

pivot and attack, right out of the gop playbook, well played sir :nono: :fp:

Byrnzie · November 2012

Jason P wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Are you people suggesting that as soon as someone earns over a certain amount of money, everything they say is irrelevant?

I'm pretty sure that was the main theme the Democrats ran with against Romney.

:think:

I'm pretty sure it wasn't.

Morning in America ...a Note From Michael Moore

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