Anybody watching the VP debate right now?

gimmesometruth27 · October 2012

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

Let's see if Obama had all the answers why didn't he push them through the first two years where the left had control of the house, senate and presidency? You know why he is an arrogant asshole who only thinks his ideas are the right ones.

i am getting a little tired of having to debunk this assertion on this forum. but the fox news keeps spreading this crap..

FOX NEWS LIES: Obama only had a majority for 133 days, not two years

http://www.examiner.com/article/fox-new ... -two-years

Fox News is in business because their model of success depends on their viewers not knowing the facts. Host of Fox News, Chris Wallace, made the incorrect assertion during an interview Sunday that President Barack Obama had a filibuster proof majority (60 out of 100 votes) in the Senate for two years. The actual fact is Democrats only had a filibuster proof majority for 133 days, a far cry from the over 700 days that Wallace gleefully interjected.

This is not the first and will certainly not the last time Fox New has been caught saying completely untrue things on the air.

The statements took place during an interview with the mayor of Los Angeles, Antonio Villaraigosa. Wallace asked Villaraigosa, "What's stupid about Obama and the Democrats?" and the mayor declined to engage on the baiting point. The conversation then shifted to Villarigosa explaining that President Obama has found few willing GOP lawmakers to cross the aisle and then paraphrased Republican Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's now infamous war cry that the "number one issue is to block the president."

Wallace shot back with the fallacy, "But in fairness, the first two years, he (President Obama) had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate and a big majority in the House."

There is certainly nothing fair about telling a lie on the air to millions of people. Villarigosa did not deflect the point as untrue, and that was his failing.

The simply reality is Democrats only had a filibuster-proof majority from September 24, 2009 to February 4, 2010, as was noted by talkingpointsmemo.com

This lie that is perpetuated by Fox News as fact, shows that if a lie is told enough times then it is accepted as truth.

The video can be viewed here, via crooksandliars.com.

Chris Wallace has yet to apologize or issue a retraction.

JimmyV · October 2012

cincybearcat wrote:

I have no respect for the voters of that state. None.

Guess we won't be friends.

JimmyV · October 2012

I think

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

FOX NEWS LIES

sums it all up nicely.

Prince Of Dorkness · October 2012

cincybearcat wrote:

Biden is one of the biggest assholes in the country...soak that shit in.

Really.

One of the biggest assholes in the WHOLE COUNTRY. Even bigger that Chris Brown?

Well then.

Funny how nobody ever mentioned that before last night when he handed Paul Ryan his ass. Before last night, he was a "goofy gaffe-prone fool" but never an asshole.

This morning after he didn't "gaffe" and he countered all of Paul Ryan's lies with "facts" and junk... he's "one of the biggest assholes in the country."

Well I'm glad we're not getting too hung up on platitudes.

gimmesometruth27 · October 2012

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Biden is one of the biggest assholes in the country...soak that shit in.

Really.

One of the biggest assholes in the WHOLE COUNTRY. Even bigger that Chris Brown?

Well then.

Funny how nobody ever mentioned that before last night when he handed Paul Ryan his ass. Before last night, he was a "goofy gaffe-prone fool" but never an asshole.

This morning after he didn't "gaffe" and he countered all of Paul Ryan's lies with "facts" and junk... he's "one of the biggest assholes in the country."

Well I'm glad we're not getting too hung up on platitudes.

Exactamundo!

JimmyV · October 2012

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Biden is one of the biggest assholes in the country...soak that shit in.

Really.

One of the biggest assholes in the WHOLE COUNTRY. Even bigger that Chris Brown?

Well then.

Funny how nobody ever mentioned that before last night when he handed Paul Ryan his ass. Before last night, he was a "goofy gaffe-prone fool" but never an asshole.

This morning after he didn't "gaffe" and he countered all of Paul Ryan's lies with "facts" and junk... he's "one of the biggest assholes in the country."

Well I'm glad we're not getting too hung up on platitudes.

I have heard Biden described many different ways, including many that were less than complementary. But I have never heard anyone refer to him as an asshole. Goof and buffoon, yes. Asshole...no.

cincybearcat · October 2012

JimmyV wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

I have no respect for the voters of that state. None.

Guess we won't be friends.

Did you vote for Teddy the Killer? If so, highly unlikely.

cincybearcat · October 2012

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Biden is one of the biggest assholes in the country...soak that shit in.

Really.

One of the biggest assholes in the WHOLE COUNTRY. Even bigger that Chris Brown?

Well then.

Funny how nobody ever mentioned that before last night when he handed Paul Ryan his ass. Before last night, he was a "goofy gaffe-prone fool" but never an asshole.

This morning after he didn't "gaffe" and he countered all of Paul Ryan's lies with "facts" and junk... he's "one of the biggest assholes in the country."

Well I'm glad we're not getting too hung up on platitudes.

Um, yes, really. He's a pompous asshole. You know they make those in all colors, including Blue and Red.

I've been very consistent in my opinion of Biden, so nothing debate related. And you seem to be coming at me for thinking Ryan won the debate. I never said that. I don;t think either one of them one as they both made it unwatchable.

So just stop trying to put words in my mouth. Talk about lying.

Prince Of Dorkness · October 2012

I've also heard him called "Filter-Free" and "unhinged" and "unpredictable."

But never an asshole.

However, and I'm directing this as the Fox "news" group who are all crying like Cinderella's ugly step sisters the morning after the Ball, it's funny to see conservatives desperately trying to call this a "draw" or blubber about how "rude" he was. When Peggy Noonan, Sean Hannity, Brit Hume, Laura Ingraham and Greta Van Sustren have to complain about how someone else was rude... that's like...just sad.

cincybearcat · October 2012

JimmyV wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Biden is one of the biggest assholes in the country...soak that shit in.

Really.

One of the biggest assholes in the WHOLE COUNTRY. Even bigger that Chris Brown?

Well then.

Funny how nobody ever mentioned that before last night when he handed Paul Ryan his ass. Before last night, he was a "goofy gaffe-prone fool" but never an asshole.

This morning after he didn't "gaffe" and he countered all of Paul Ryan's lies with "facts" and junk... he's "one of the biggest assholes in the country."

Well I'm glad we're not getting too hung up on platitudes.

I have heard Biden described many different ways, including many that were less than complementary. But I have never heard anyone refer to him as an asshole. Goof and buffoon, yes. Asshole...no.

Hey there are more than just me...use your google machine!!!

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=p ... 80&bih=639

BinauralJam · October 2012

:wave:

Prince Of Dorkness · October 2012

cincybearcat wrote:

I've been very consistent in my opinion of Biden, so nothing debate related.

Then I'm sure you don't mind pointing us to a post where you call him one of the "biggest assholes in the country" from last week?

And you seem to be coming at me for thinking Ryan won the debate. I never said that.

Uh... yeah, I don't think I said that, either.

Talk about lying.

Um... yeah... considering I didn't put "words in" your mouth... which one of us us lying again?

Prince Of Dorkness · October 2012

cincybearcat wrote:

Hey there are more than just me...use your google machine!!!

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=p ... 80&bih=639

Um... most of those posts were made yesterday.

I am disappoint.

JimmyV · October 2012

cincybearcat wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Really.

One of the biggest assholes in the WHOLE COUNTRY. Even bigger that Chris Brown?

Well then.

Funny how nobody ever mentioned that before last night when he handed Paul Ryan his ass. Before last night, he was a "goofy gaffe-prone fool" but never an asshole.

This morning after he didn't "gaffe" and he countered all of Paul Ryan's lies with "facts" and junk... he's "one of the biggest assholes in the country."

Well I'm glad we're not getting too hung up on platitudes.

I have heard Biden described many different ways, including many that were less than complementary. But I have never heard anyone refer to him as an asshole. Goof and buffoon, yes. Asshole...no.

Hey there are more than just me...use your google machine!!!

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=p ... 80&bih=639

I like that it only takes scrolling as far as the fourth result to get to: Biden smiles, laughs, and mostly kicks ass!

JimmyV · October 2012

cincybearcat wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

I have no respect for the voters of that state. None.

Guess we won't be friends.

Did you vote for Teddy the Killer? If so, highly unlikely.

Not the vote I am most proud of by far but yes I did. In 1994. Funny enough it was Mitt Romney that drove me to that.

gimmesometruth27 · October 2012

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

I've also heard him called "Filter-Free" and "unhinged" and "unpredictable."

But never an asshole.

However, and I'm directing this as the Fox "news" group who are all crying like Cinderella's ugly step sisters the morning after the Ball, it's funny to see conservatives desperately trying to call this a "draw" or blubber about how "rude" he was. When Peggy Noonan, Sean Hannity, Brit Hume, Laura Ingraham and Greta Van Sustren have to complain about how someone else was rude... that's like...just sad.

ryan was a deer in the headlights. he looked like the weaker of the candidates for sure.

i am still saying that what we got from biden was the result of all of the bullshit spouted by romney, ryan, and the ininformed sections of the electorate that believe it. could he have been more professional about it? sure. but if he had been he would have been much less effective.

when people can not win a debate with their words and facts, they attack things like the manner in which the other guy presents his argument and makes his case.

cincybearcat · October 2012

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

I've been very consistent in my opinion of Biden, so nothing debate related.

Then I'm sure you don't mind pointing us to a post where you call him one of the "biggest assholes in the country" from last week?

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=194165&hilit=Biden&start=15

Crap, I only called him an idiot of the highest order and a fucking idiot or something like that...does that count?

cincybearcat · October 2012

JimmyV wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Did you vote for Teddy the Killer? If so, highly unlikely.

Not the vote I am most proud of by far but yes I did. In 1994. Funny enough it was Mitt Romney that drove me to that.

Hahaha, ok, that is funny. Thanks for the laugh!!!

cincybearcat · October 2012

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

when people can not win a debate with their words and facts, they attack things like the manner in which the other guy presents his argument and makes his case.

Oh, I see you listen to MSNBC. Shocking.

So, I suppose that is why you made all those comments about GW huh?

The way you handle yourself is important. To think otherwise is exactly why we have the problem we have in Congress.

I'm just surprised that so many people are really happy with Biden and ok with his debate. Regardless of whether or not you think that he won on the point/issues, I would think that most people would see what a pompous asshole he is. But alas, if you wear the team jersey, you end up rooting for even the assholes on the team.

cincybearcat · October 2012

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Hey there are more than just me...use your google machine!!!

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=p ... 80&bih=639

Um... most of those posts were made yesterday.

I am disappoint.

Well you do know that if you use Google and search for something it is going to give you the most recent results? Right? Because that is generally what people want. Make sense?

Anybody watching the VP debate right now?

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