Clint Eastwood Speech....

brianlux · September 2012

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

When Matt Bomber and Anderson Cooper came out it was like Christmas. So I can't judge. I mean, when Ricky Martin came out I was like Meg Ryan in the restaurant scene in "When Harry Met Sally."

And what's strange about this to me is that way back in the late 60's I saw "Hair" at the Orpheum in San Francisco and one of the male actors was humping a poster of Mick Jagger and when "Boys in the Band" did so well at A.C.T I thought, wow, cool ,now maybe my gay friends won't get so much mistreatment anymore and here we are so many years later and it's still an issue. Sad. Sad and pathetic.

comebackgirl · September 2012

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/08 ... lp00000009

hedonist · September 2012

PJ_Soul wrote:

I feel like being that LEAVE BRITTANY ALONE!!!! guy, but for Clint Eastwood.

Aw man. I feel the same way, and just....bad for him.

And bad for the meanness toward him.

Prince Of Dorkness · September 2012

The best yet...

http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/clin ... oint-view/

Hugh Freaking Dillon · September 2012

SVRDhand13 wrote:

As a liberal and someone who reluctantly wants Obama to win this election, I thought Eastwood's speech was pretty entertaining. It was a nice change of the pace from the typical political garbage shoved down our throats. He did not make me think anymore of Romney, and I didn't need him to realize that Obama has not lived up to his promises, but at least the man did something different.

this. I didn't find this awkward at all. He's not a politician. he's not used to speaking to a live crowd. even in his oscar speeches he has stumbled a bit. that's just how he talks.

dismissing him as an embarassment or just some old man is quite disrespectful.

hedonist · September 2012

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

dismissing him as an embarassment or just some old man is quite disrespectful.

Eloquence with words for me this evening is out the window.

Thank you for yours.

Prince Of Dorkness · September 2012

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

dismissing him as an embarassment or just some old man is quite disrespectful.

Meh. I figure anyone who puts themselves out there in front of millions of people and tells jokes like "Oprah was crying" to riotous applause and then essentially does the Bob Newhart bit has left themselves wide open. And that's just what he did.

But the REAL thing that he did was derail the whole message of the night. While Romney and Rubio were really hoping everyone would be talking about their speeches, the national dialogue has been about what a mess Clint was. And for that, they're all just going to have to soak in it.

The comparison to Britney Spears was a good one. She was a mess, was unprepared and looked like crap. And performed in front of millions of people and that became a bigger story than the performance. Kinda how the entertainment world works.

theserialthrilla · September 2012

i loved that ...

pandora · September 2012

I thought he was brilliant ...
what really bothered me was how the candidates and their families received it...
thanks but no thanks attitude, just rude...
they best learn when the cameras are on them... smile
maybe they don't get the humor, don't get the man.
I mean he's 82 and stills got it

lukin2006 · September 2012

I'm not going to let 1 speech change my opinion of Clint Eastwood...I don't think he's ever been the greatest public speaker. He tried something different with his speech and many didn't like and it was a failed attempt humour according to many.

And i sure as hell wouldn't care which political party had the most celebrities, hippest celebrities or coolest celebrities because you think people would realize by now these celebrities for the most part are just as greedy as the politicians they support.

comebackgirl · September 2012

I like some of his quotes on here, particularly #2 & 3:

http://thestir.cafemom.com/entertainmen ... uotes_that

Hugh Freaking Dillon · September 2012

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

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Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

dismissing him as an embarassment or just some old man is quite disrespectful.

Meh. I figure anyone who puts themselves out there in front of millions of people and tells jokes like "Oprah was crying" to riotous applause and then essentially does the Bob Newhart bit has left themselves wide open. And that's just what he did.

But the REAL thing that he did was derail the whole message of the night. While Romney and Rubio were really hoping everyone would be talking about their speeches, the national dialogue has been about what a mess Clint was. And for that, they're all just going to have to soak in it.

The comparison to Britney Spears was a good one. She was a mess, was unprepared and looked like crap. And performed in front of millions of people and that became a bigger story than the performance. Kinda how the entertainment world works.

that wasn't all of my quote. I wasn't just being "leave him alone! don't be mean". I honestly didn't think there was anything wrong with his speech. I thought he was kind of funny, and it was refreshing to not just have all the "rah rah! america!" bullshit you usually see at these conventions, especially when it's the party trying to get into office. I don't care if he "borrowed" the bit from Newhart, Newhart made a joke about that. He doesn't care.

I thought his statement saying "if the guy in office isn't doing the job right it's time to get someone new to do it". very simple. very effective. I don't support Romney. But I think if Clint had come out for the democrats this thread would be QUITE different. you can tell it's nothing but people being partisan. that's the real joke here, not an "old white man".

PJ_Soul · September 2012

pandora wrote:

I thought he was brilliant ...
what really bothered me was how the candidates and their families received it...
thanks but no thanks attitude, just rude...
they best learn when the cameras are on them... smile
maybe they don't get the humor, don't get the man.
I mean he's 82 and stills got it

:fp:
You said you didn't really care for him before this - one of the greatest and most talented movie icons of our time, both as an actor and a writer/director, and one of the most well-liked and respected person within his own industry - and THIS incident is what finally made you really appreciate the man. :fp: :fp: Yeah, okay. Fine. Whatever.

Do you really think that the candidates have anything to be thankful for, considering the tone that his performance set? I don't. If anything, their negative reactions showed me that they actually know more about manipulating audiences than I gave them credit for. They immediately understood what was going to happen after, and, for good reason, were displeased about it.

PJ_Soul · September 2012

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

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Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

dismissing him as an embarassment or just some old man is quite disrespectful.

Meh. I figure anyone who puts themselves out there in front of millions of people and tells jokes like "Oprah was crying" to riotous applause and then essentially does the Bob Newhart bit has left themselves wide open. And that's just what he did.

But the REAL thing that he did was derail the whole message of the night. While Romney and Rubio were really hoping everyone would be talking about their speeches, the national dialogue has been about what a mess Clint was. And for that, they're all just going to have to soak in it.

The comparison to Britney Spears was a good one. She was a mess, was unprepared and looked like crap. And performed in front of millions of people and that became a bigger story than the performance. Kinda how the entertainment world works.

that wasn't all of my quote. I wasn't just being "leave him alone! don't be mean". I honestly didn't think there was anything wrong with his speech. I thought he was kind of funny, and it was refreshing to not just have all the "rah rah! america!" bullshit you usually see at these conventions, especially when it's the party trying to get into office. I don't care if he "borrowed" the bit from Newhart, Newhart made a joke about that. He doesn't care.

I thought his statement saying "if the guy in office isn't doing the job right it's time to get someone new to do it". very simple. very effective. I don't support Romney. But I think if Clint had come out for the democrats this thread would be QUITE different. you can tell it's nothing but people being partisan. that's the real joke here, not an "old white man".

I really don't think it was his intended message that has everyone laughing at him (regrettably but understandably). There was nothing super wrong with his intended message (vote for Romney, I want Obama out of the office because I don't support him). It was his awful delivery. Rambling to say the least. Disjointed. Awkward. Odd. He made a joke about Obama suggesting Romney go and jerk off I'm pretty sure. And it was 8 full minutes longer than anyone had asked him to be up there for. The people he was there to represent had no clue he would do it - he went rogue at an inappropriate time. His performance was not rousing, which is what they wanted from him. It was strange and vague instead. I mean, there was some artistic subtlty to it that did strike me as very typical of Clint Eastwood and that I can appreciate from the artistic viewpoint, but it was far beyond the situation and the target audience considering the reason he was asked to speak. That's why people were uncomfortable, and that's why the ones he was there to bolster looked miffed and confused.

I've made it pretty clear that i have a real sentimental soft spot for Clint and his talents, and I don't enjoy all the teasing because it's undignified for such a dignified man. But I can still get real about it - it's very obvious to me why his little routine has pretty much completely hyjacked the entire RNC's message while still managing to shed jovially negative light on the whole thing in a hard to define yet palpable way, which Romney's camp really must be FURIOUS about on the inside. The visual that has defined the RNC is not one of Romney looking all presidential and inspiring or anything like that. It is and always will be a picture of an empty chair .... which leads me to think, actually, upon further thought: "bravo Clint! Well fucking done!!"

PS Hugh - mine isn't a biased opinion. I really really don't think, either, that dems would be cool with it if someone turned the DNC into a laughing stock either. I think anyone coming out and trying to suggest this incident was in any way , shape, or form a success for the Republican convention is absolutely kidding themselves and look a bit foolish. Frankly, Romney falling head first off the stage couldn't have been a bigger distraction from their intended message, and at least that wouldn't have garnered ridicule. Any defense of the performance from the Reps is pure damage control.

pandora · September 2012

PJ_Soul wrote:

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pandora wrote:

I thought he was brilliant ...
what really bothered me was how the candidates and their families received it...
thanks but no thanks attitude, just rude...
they best learn when the cameras are on them... smile
maybe they don't get the humor, don't get the man.
I mean he's 82 and stills got it

:fp:
You said you didn't really care for him before this - one of the greatest and most talented movie icons of our time, both as an actor and a writer/director, and one of the most well-liked and respected person within his own industry - and THIS incident is what finally made you really appreciate the man. :fp: :fp: Yeah, okay. Fine. Whatever.

Do you really think that the candidates have anything to be thankful for, considering the tone that his performance set? I don't. If anything, their negative reactions showed me that they actually know more about manipulating audiences than I gave them credit for. They immediately understood what was going to happen after, and, for good reason, were displeased about it.

Some people are huge Eastwood fans, not me was all I said.
Sorry about that

I liked his skit though ... thought it was creative and funny ... deep too...
brought out a playful side of him for me.
It was refreshing because it was not just another speech.

Disagree the candidates were not manipulating anyone they were just not liking the performance
pure and simple and got caught looking rude and fuddy duddy ish.
Would have done far better to have been laughing and gracious
smiles all around. A shrug off.

But you misunderstand yet again I did not say the candidates had anything to be thankful for :?
whatever...

Prince Of Dorkness · September 2012

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

But I think if Clint had come out for the democrats this thread would be QUITE different. you can tell it's nothing but people being partisan. that's the real joke here, not an "old white man".

you know, I'm not totally sure it would be.

While I'm sure many (but not all) conservatives would have gone on the attack to call out the "liberal Hollywood elite" and all that, I'm quite sure that many liberals would also have shaken their heads and what a horrible judgement call it was to send a dramatic actor on stage to do improv comedy while taking 9th grade jabs at a Republican president.

There was a brief and bright moment when some Democrats started a petition to get Betty White to come on stage and do the same thing, but immediately the majority of us loudly stomped that out. While a political convention shouldn't be a sad, dull and uninspiring dirge, it's also not the place to stage the kind of comedy you'd expect on a Morning AM radio show.

It's a political convention, not SNL.

I remember when Barack Obama had his inauguration and some people were upset there were fewer big-name stars performing. I know I personally had said we should get Diana Ross to come on and sing "Everybody Rejoice" from The Wiz (aka "can you feel a brand new day"), Bruce Springsteen to do a cover of "Defying Gravity" and Pearl Jam to come and perform "Brain of J."

But in retrospect, there's a difference between celebrating your message and gloating. There's a difference between building your own party and message up and tearing the other party down by doing a skit where the president tells Clint Eastwood to tell Mitt Romney to go fuck himself.

And the BIG thing wasn't just Clint Eastwood himself, it was that the whole skit stank of "we don't have much of a message and we don't have much to offer and Paul Ryan has already been called out for his pearl necklace of lies two days ago so let's just take pot shots at the Democrats and see how low we can sink this barge."

And THAT... now that I've had a couple days to marinate on it.... is what was REALLY wrong with that performance. It just felt unbecoming of the kind of event it was.

mickeyrat · September 2012

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

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Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

But I think if Clint had come out for the democrats this thread would be QUITE different. you can tell it's nothing but people being partisan. that's the real joke here, not an "old white man".

you know, I'm not totally sure it would be.

While I'm sure many (but not all) conservatives would have gone on the attack to call out the "liberal Hollywood elite" and all that, I'm quite sure that many liberals would also have shaken their heads and what a horrible judgement call it was to send a dramatic actor on stage to do improv comedy while taking 9th grade jabs at a Republican president.

There was a brief and bright moment when some Democrats started a petition to get Betty White to come on stage and do the same thing, but immediately the majority of us loudly stomped that out. While a political convention shouldn't be a sad, dull and uninspiring dirge, it's also not the place to stage the kind of comedy you'd expect on a Morning AM radio show.

It's a political convention, not SNL.

I remember when Barack Obama had his inauguration and some people were upset there were fewer big-name stars performing. I know I personally had said we should get Diana Ross to come on and sing "Everybody Rejoice" from The Wiz (aka "can you feel a brand new day"), Bruce Springsteen to do a cover of "Defying Gravity" and Pearl Jam to come and perform "Brain of J."

But in retrospect, there's a difference between celebrating your message and gloating. There's a difference between building your own party and message up and tearing the other party down by doing a skit where the president tells Clint Eastwood to tell Mitt Romney to go fuck himself.

And the BIG thing wasn't just Clint Eastwood himself, it was that the whole skit stank of "we don't have much of a message and we don't have much to offer and Paul Ryan has already been called out for his pearl necklace of lies two days ago so let's just take pot shots at the Democrats and see how low we can sink this barge."

And THAT... now that I've had a couple days to marinate on it.... is what was REALLY wrong with that performance. It just felt unbecoming of the kind of event it was.

who the fuck are you and what have you done with PoD?
My god, well thought out, entirely nonjudgemental and on point. WTF?

Prince Of Dorkness · September 2012

mickeyrat wrote:

who the fuck are you and what have you done with PoD?
My god, well thought out, entirely nonjudgemental and on point. WTF?

Oh. shit.

Yeah, I'm supposed to save the well-thought-out political and social commentary for my column on Huffington Post.

Fuck, they're gonna fire me before it even launches.

OK, just pretend I said something about who changed his diapers.

PJ_Soul · September 2012

pandora wrote:

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PJ_Soul wrote:

pandora wrote:

I thought he was brilliant ...
what really bothered me was how the candidates and their families received it...
thanks but no thanks attitude, just rude...
they best learn when the cameras are on them... smile
maybe they don't get the humor, don't get the man.
I mean he's 82 and stills got it

:fp:
You said you didn't really care for him before this - one of the greatest and most talented movie icons of our time, both as an actor and a writer/director, and one of the most well-liked and respected person within his own industry - and THIS incident is what finally made you really appreciate the man. :fp: :fp: Yeah, okay. Fine. Whatever.

Do you really think that the candidates have anything to be thankful for, considering the tone that his performance set? I don't. If anything, their negative reactions showed me that they actually know more about manipulating audiences than I gave them credit for. They immediately understood what was going to happen after, and, for good reason, were displeased about it.

Some people are huge Eastwood fans, not me was all I said.
Sorry about that
I liked his skit though ... thought it was creative and funny ... deep too...
brought out a playful side of him for me.
It was refreshing because it was not just another speech.

Disagree the candidates were not manipulating anyone they were just not liking the performance
pure and simple and got caught looking rude and fuddy duddy ish.
Would have done far better to have been laughing and gracious
smiles all around. A shrug off.

But you misunderstand yet again I did not say the candidates had anything to be thankful for :?
whatever...

You said he was never a big favorite of yours but now he is. For that. :?
I didn't say that the candidates were manipulating the crowd with their reaction. That would not even make sense. I said that their real reaction showed that they understood crowd manipulation, which is why they looked so unimpressed, since Clint was failing and they recognized what the fallout would be with audiences immediately.
You said they had a "thanks but no thanks" thing going on. So I said they had nothing to be thankful for.
No misunderstandings here. And i certainly do "get" what Eastwood was doing. It was not a good thing to do. OBVIOUSLY.

mickeyrat · September 2012

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

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mickeyrat wrote:

who the fuck are you and what have you done with PoD?
My god, well thought out, entirely nonjudgemental and on point. WTF?

Oh. shit.

Yeah, I'm supposed to save the well-thought-out political and social commentary for my column on Huffington Post.

Fuck, they're gonna fire me before it even launches.

OK, just pretend I said something about who changed his diapers.

nah man. Keep it up. Appreciated reading that.

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