How about..."successful". Perhaps some, many, earned their wealth. Perhaps some, many, were your "average American" and worked for what they now have. How is this a bad thing? Why would their opinions be declared null and void?
Me, I don't tack worthiness based on how much someone has, or has not, in the bank. I've learned from people from all walks of life. My discounting the opinion of someone because they're affluent would be just as short-sighted as dismissing that of one who's not.
while i agree with you that discounting someone's opinion based on wealth is silly, do you have any stats on social class mobility? by that i mean how many "average americans" have gone from 50% or lower on the class scale to the top 10%...5%...1%... point1%? Conversely how many 1%, or the children of 1%, fall to under 80% or 50%? I honestly don't know, and this probably isn't the thread for it - but I'm definitely interested.
First off, thanks for the article, norm! Good read, and I still fucking love Mr. Eastwood.
RW, I don't have stats, and no disrespect to you, but I really don't care about them. I'm sure my own world/life is but a small example, but I've seen many in my family go from coming here or growing up here with close to nothing and making very successful lives for themselves, along with others - some very close to me - who were working hard, living quite well, and then got fucked by these times.
My point was that neither should be villified.
i agree with you on the idea that neither should be villified at the outset, but you made the claim that many with wealth work hard to get there. i just wonder how true that is...as i said it's more just out of curiousity than anything.
I think it's very telling that one of his three main points he originally wanted to make was that "not everyone in hollywood is on the left". that just goes to show that even he knows that americans will vote with their obsession with the rich and famous. what a joke.
and he's not senile, or crazy, or anything else. He's a very intelligent man.
And I'm, as Clint said, "on the left".
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I'd say being the president is a job, and a pretty big one at that.
Teacher isn't a job either? :?
Community organizer must be a code word for Communist Party chairman or something like that.
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I think Clint managed to fill out all of his contributions to the qualities stated in that great Movie title, "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly."
Hey- don't worry- I still have all the respect in the world for Mr. Eastwood as a film maker and actor- especially if he'd just stick with what he's good at.
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I think Clint managed to fill out all of his contributions to the qualities stated in that great Movie title, "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly."
Hey- don't worry- I still have all the respect in the world for Mr. Eastwood as a film maker and actor- especially if he'd just stick with what he's good at.
I think I like him more as...a man...rather than his film side.
And I agree there was some bad (read: awkwardness, stumbling on words, etc.) in there, but ugly? Nuh-uh! At least, to me
He admitted this type of forum isn't his thing; good on him for going for it, as his points did resonate with me.
Plus, as much as the smooth-talkers (I'm looking at all parties here) can put forth a charming, smooth-talking speech, I actually appreciate more the ones who do falter some, the ones who aren't so slick.
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I think Clint managed to fill out all of his contributions to the qualities stated in that great Movie title, "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly."
Hey- don't worry- I still have all the respect in the world for Mr. Eastwood as a film maker and actor- especially if he'd just stick with what he's good at.
I think I like him more as...a man...rather than his film side.
And I agree there was some bad (read: awkwardness, stumbling on words, etc.) in there, but ugly? Nuh-uh! At least, to me
He admitted this type of forum isn't his thing; good on him for going for it, as his points did resonate with me.
Plus, as much as the smooth-talkers (I'm looking at all parties here) can put forth a charming, smooth-talking speech, I actually appreciate more the ones who do falter some, the ones who aren't so slick.
I do agree, Hedonist, that being real is better than being smooth-- any day. I guess what was ugly about it for me was that he was trying too much with the faltering humor and empty chair gimmick. I'd have much rather seen him just come out and snarl a little and grumble about what a pencil neck he thinks Obama is. (I know- somebody is going to ask, "So you think humor is ugly and snarling is beautiful?" and in Eastwood's case I would say, "Yes".) Maybe I wouldn't totally agree with him, but if he just acted more like his old self he would have come across better. Eastwood was a mediocre politician but a great film maker. I just don't see the need for him to try to be any else.
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i can't stop laughing at that....can we just agree that he had a bad speech. there are many reasons for it, and he did make a good point that politicians are our employees, but dear god that was a georgia tech.
you know I wouldn't describe him like that, he is more with it than I first expected.
he took his meds that day which is why he couldn't keep up with the teleprompter
the elderly should not skip medication ...
I believe his speech was impromptu and if your comment is coming from a disrespectful place
based on one's age that is messed up a bit. If its coming from a partisan place
don't know what to say about that.
it was coming from no place really i was just messing around. i was basically implying the impromptu speech was so horrible that perhaps he was high that's all. he may or may not take medication - i honestly don't know.
i got mad at my boss yesterday so i stood up and yelled at my chair for about 8 minutes....i think i made my point and expressed my grievances in an intelligent and eloquent manner...
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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i got mad at my boss yesterday so i stood up and yelled at my chair for about 8 minutes....i think i made my point and expressed my grievances in an intelligent and eloquent manner...
I have to remember that one next time I'm frustrated with something said here on AMT. Could come in handy now and then and keep me out of trouble!
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it was coming from no place really i was just messing around. i was basically implying the impromptu speech was so horrible that perhaps he was high that's all. he may or may not take medication - i honestly don't know.
hmmmm...
much of this seems harsh towards an old mans attempt at creative lightening.
And I thought the Democrats were supposed to be the easy, cool, accepting, generous
ones with a bit of a sense of humor...
guess we just can't generalize at all that way.
I'm all for creative lightening, but the substance of the speech (outside of the politicians are our employees) was wrought with right-wing talking points that have little basis in reality. this isn't to say that all conservative beliefs are not valid, useful, or devoid of reality just that what Eastwood put out there was useless. Was it funny? Yes, both as a train wreck and as a bunch of inside jokes that conservatives like to laugh at. Was it good/inspiring? No, and I don't get how people are actually arguing that it was so bad that it was good.
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hmmmm...
much of this seems harsh towards an old mans attempt at creative lightening.
And I thought the Democrats were supposed to be the easy, cool, accepting, generous
ones with a bit of a sense of humor...
guess we just can't generalize at all that way.
Generalize and flame away on the Democrats if you wish. I thought his speech only hearing it not viewing it was rather uneasy but funny. He did what a celebrity do show up and do what they do yak....Clint is STILL the man even if he has a Republican mind. This scene taken from one of his movies..Kelly's Heroes...
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I'm all for creative lightening, but the substance of the speech (outside of the politicians are our employees) was wrought with right-wing talking points that have little basis in reality. this isn't to say that all conservative beliefs are not valid, useful, or devoid of reality just that what Eastwood put out there was useless. Was it funny? Yes, both as a train wreck and as a bunch of inside jokes that conservatives like to laugh at. Was it good/inspiring? No, and I don't get how people are actually arguing that it was so bad that it was good.
I will argue it was so different it was good.
It left me smiling and I just never knew Clint had that in him.
Inspiring in just that, most especially when speeches from both conventions
can get monotonous and repetitive. I fought sleep in both towards the end.
The creativity and irony was great for me because in some ways
I feel and I know others feel,
our President has been somewhat of an empty chair,
in that for us personally we are not better off than four years ago.
We aren't alone.
The empty chair for me symbolized that, empty promises, empty change.
But by far it was that I also welcomed something different and unorthodox
which always catches my interest.
hmmmm...
much of this seems harsh towards an old mans attempt at creative lightening.
And I thought the Democrats were supposed to be the easy, cool, accepting, generous
ones with a bit of a sense of humor...
guess we just can't generalize at all that way.
Generalize and flame away on the Democrats if you wish. I thought his speech only hearing it not viewing it was rather uneasy but funny. He did what celebrity do show up and do what they do yak....Clint is STILL the man even if he has a Republican mind. This scene taken from one of his movies..Kelly's Heroes...
i got mad at my boss yesterday so i stood up and yelled at my chair for about 8 minutes....i think i made my point and expressed my grievances in an intelligent and eloquent manner...
I have to remember that one next time I'm frustrated with something said here on AMT. Could come in handy now and then and keep me out of trouble!
Maybe sit in the car and yell at the empty passenger seat.
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I thought it was funny, cool, and most importantly true.
He recently said "Obama is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people"
Obama is a joke. Obama had one job in his life (BaskinRobins) AND HE STOLED from the company.
He was a student, then teacher, then politician. That is it. He wrote 2 books...both about HIMSELF.
A vote for obama is a vote for fantasy. WAKE UP!
Remember Living Color? Cult of Personality? That is Obama.
and he's not senile, or crazy, or anything else. He's a very intelligent man.
And I'm, as Clint said, "on the left".
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so what? kids make mistakes, and he doesn't run from them. he admits to doing drugs too, and he still got elected. I'd say that's pretty telling.
Most people who write books, write about themselves.
I'd say being the president is a job, and a pretty big one at that.
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Teacher isn't a job either? :?
Community organizer must be a code word for Communist Party chairman or something like that.
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god I love that
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Hey- don't worry- I still have all the respect in the world for Mr. Eastwood as a film maker and actor- especially if he'd just stick with what he's good at.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
And I agree there was some bad (read: awkwardness, stumbling on words, etc.) in there, but ugly? Nuh-uh! At least, to me
He admitted this type of forum isn't his thing; good on him for going for it, as his points did resonate with me.
Plus, as much as the smooth-talkers (I'm looking at all parties here) can put forth a charming, smooth-talking speech, I actually appreciate more the ones who do falter some, the ones who aren't so slick.
I do agree, Hedonist, that being real is better than being smooth-- any day. I guess what was ugly about it for me was that he was trying too much with the faltering humor and empty chair gimmick. I'd have much rather seen him just come out and snarl a little and grumble about what a pencil neck he thinks Obama is. (I know- somebody is going to ask, "So you think humor is ugly and snarling is beautiful?" and in Eastwood's case I would say, "Yes".) Maybe I wouldn't totally agree with him, but if he just acted more like his old self he would have come across better. Eastwood was a mediocre politician but a great film maker. I just don't see the need for him to try to be any else.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I believe his speech was impromptu and if your comment is coming from a disrespectful place
based on one's age that is messed up a bit. If its coming from a partisan place
don't know what to say about that.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I have to remember that one next time I'm frustrated with something said here on AMT. Could come in handy now and then and keep me out of trouble!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
we'll see how you do at 82
much of this seems harsh towards an old mans attempt at creative lightening.
And I thought the Democrats were supposed to be the easy, cool, accepting, generous
ones with a bit of a sense of humor...
guess we just can't generalize at all that way.
Generalize and flame away on the Democrats if you wish. I thought his speech only hearing it not viewing it was rather uneasy but funny. He did what a celebrity do show up and do what they do yak....Clint is STILL the man even if he has a Republican mind. This scene taken from one of his movies..Kelly's Heroes...
Maybe He's a Republican
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
It left me smiling and I just never knew Clint had that in him.
Inspiring in just that, most especially when speeches from both conventions
can get monotonous and repetitive. I fought sleep in both towards the end.
The creativity and irony was great for me because in some ways
I feel and I know others feel,
our President has been somewhat of an empty chair,
in that for us personally we are not better off than four years ago.
We aren't alone.
The empty chair for me symbolized that, empty promises, empty change.
But by far it was that I also welcomed something different and unorthodox
which always catches my interest.
and know better than to generalize but :wtf:
thanks for the link...
I need to check out his movies have not seen them, saw half of Gran Torino not too
long ago. Cried in the end.
Maybe sit in the car and yell at the empty passenger seat.
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Such an excellent piece of work, all around...not to mention that sweetass car.
If I make it to his age, I hope I have the balls and hardheadedfuckyouall state of mind that he does.
Too bad the prop got more attention than the intent.