Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    redrock wrote:
    norm wrote:
    not sure why y'all are still feeding the nonsense but hey, have fun! :P

    Thanks Norm. Don't know either - compulsive behaviour? Or just can't bear false info being spread? **goes to call her analyst** **Damn... doesn't have one**

    :lol: well, you're not the one that needs the analyst ;) :P
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,610
    norm wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    Norm... where is your little guy banging his head against the wall when we need it? :lol::lol:

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    not sure why y'all are still feeding the nonsense but hey, have fun! :P

    Classic Norm ...
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  • Snakeduck
    Snakeduck Posts: 1,056
    norm wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    norm wrote:
    not sure why y'all are still feeding the nonsense but hey, have fun! :P

    Thanks Norm. Don't know either - compulsive behaviour? Or just can't bear false info being spread? **goes to call her analyst** **Damn... doesn't have one**

    :lol: well, you're not the one that needs the analyst ;) :P

    Christ almighty it's gotten a little dense around here. I am a gun owner, but I'm not about to lump myself in with these maroons... In fact, I'm about ready to get rid of them so nobody mistakes me for one. Hell, I'm dangerous enough with my bare hands... and my bear.
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    Snakeduck wrote:
    Christ almighty it's gotten a little dense around here. I am a gun owner, but I'm not about to lump myself in with these maroons... In fact, I'm about ready to get rid of them so nobody mistakes me for one. Hell, I'm dangerous enough with my bare hands... and my bear.

    you and the late, great hunter thompson are the only ones that should be allowed to own guns
  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    redrock wrote:
    norm wrote:
    not sure why y'all are still feeding the nonsense but hey, have fun! :P

    Thanks Norm. Don't know either - compulsive behaviour? Or just can't bear false info being spread? **goes to call her analyst** **Damn... doesn't have one**
    :lol: As a general commentary, when you find a group of people responding to you in a similar manner across a variety of situations...it's rather diagnostic.
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  • redrock
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    Will you be my analyst CBG? You seem to make sense (and you have cats and find owing 30 pairs of shoes for the sake of owing them normal).
  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    redrock wrote:
    Will you be my analyst CBG? You seem to make sense (and you have cats and find owing 30 pairs of shoes for the sake of owing them normal).
    :lol: of course! We share a like- minded masochism as well it seems :P
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    polaris_x wrote:
    has mental illness been discussed in this thread?
    Yes earlier on

    cool ... i don't need to get involved then ... :)

    i avoided this topic because the gun control debate is mind boggling to me ...
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    redrock wrote:
    Will you be my analyst CBG? You seem to make sense (and you have cats and find owing 30 pairs of shoes for the sake of owing them normal).
    :lol: of course! We share a like- minded masochism as well it seems :P

    Damn right.. this thread is going nowhere, is it? Maybe when we know a bit more about the state of mind of the shooter, his motives, what happened prior to the shooting and all, we could try and have another discussion. Same with the Sikh Temple shooting.

    Maybe by the time this happens and due to the very lax gun laws and incredible ease of obtaining firearms in the US, some other nutter will have bought an arsenal over the internet and gone on a spree. We may be able to discuss him/her as well and go through all the 'drama' of this thread again.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    polaris_x wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    has mental illness been discussed in this thread?
    Yes earlier on

    cool ... i don't need to get involved then ... :)

    i avoided this topic because the gun control debate is mind boggling to me ...

    Do you have some insight in mental illness and crime? CBG's posts were interesting because it's her domain. Would be interesting to hear from people who know about these things 'professionally'.

    Gun control debate is very interesting, when it can be properly debated....
  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    polaris_x wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    has mental illness been discussed in this thread?
    Yes earlier on

    cool ... i don't need to get involved then ... :)

    i avoided this topic because the gun control debate is mind boggling to me ...
    It's an interesting discussion though and will be interesting to see what role mental illness played in this situation. Seems like we're getting more pieces of information about it, but just bits at a time
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    redrock wrote:
    Do you have some insight in mental illness and crime? CBG's posts were interesting because it's her domain. Would be interesting to hear from people who know about these things 'professionally'.

    Gun control debate is very interesting, when it can be properly debated....

    definitely not an expert although i do like to fancy myself a critical thinker ...

    many people involved in mass shootings have been diagnosed with mental illness = perhaps we should look into it
  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    redrock wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    Will you be my analyst CBG? You seem to make sense (and you have cats and find owing 30 pairs of shoes for the sake of owing them normal).
    :lol: of course! We share a like- minded masochism as well it seems :P

    Damn right.. this thread is going nowhere, is it? Maybe when we know a bit more about the state of mind of the shooter, his motives, what happened prior to the shooting and all, we could try and have another discussion. Same with the Sikh Temple shooting.

    Maybe by the time this happens and due to the very lax gun laws and incredible ease of obtaining firearms in the US, some other nutter will have bought an arsenal over the internet and gone on a spree. We may be able to discuss him/her as well and go through all the 'drama' of this thread again.
    It definitely seems to be going in circles :lol:

    It will be really interesting to discuss these 2 situations since they seem to have very different motives. Sadly, if things stay the same, it seems we're likely to have yet another situation to add to the discussion
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  • ComeToTX
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    polaris_x wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    Do you have some insight in mental illness and crime? CBG's posts were interesting because it's her domain. Would be interesting to hear from people who know about these things 'professionally'.

    Gun control debate is very interesting, when it can be properly debated....

    definitely not an expert although i do like to fancy myself a critical thinker ...

    many people involved in mass shootings have been diagnosed with mental illness = perhaps we should look into it

    Yet, even after being diagnosed have no trouble buying guns. But we've been around and around...
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    ComeToTX wrote:
    Yet, even after being diagnosed have no trouble buying guns. But we've been around and around...

    don't you realize that 92% of the threads on the AMT are the same issue rebranded and that the same views and opinions will continue to be recycled!?? ... :lol::lol:
  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,063
    polaris_x wrote:
    ComeToTX wrote:
    Yet, even after being diagnosed have no trouble buying guns. But we've been around and around...

    don't you realize that 92% of the threads on the AMT are the same issue rebranded and that the same views and opinions will continue to be recycled!?? ... :lol::lol:

    92% seems lIke a low number to me. :)
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  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    I thought this covered lots of points. neat huh?

    Yes, you can shutup about Colorado and keep your opinions on gun control to yourself
    I moved to Colorado about ten months ago.And though I am a native Texan, Colorado is my adoptive state. In my 31 years, 18 were in Texas and 12 were in Illinois, so that should tell you something. I love this state and the people in it. Just as the people of Texas are my people, the people of Colorado are my adoptive people. Recently, my Colorado people have suffered through forest fires. And now they’ve suffered through an horrific tragedy. My upbringing has been between one of the most conservative states in the union and one of the most liberal, as far as gun laws go. So I have a lot of friends on both sides of the gun issue that want to share their thoughts. And you know what? You can shut up about gun control for a day or two.
    An introduction to what you’re about to read
    I wrote this article around midnight last Saturday. I live 20 or 30 minutes from Aurora. I know the theater. What happened wasn’t a piece of news, it was an event where live. By midnight, Saturday, my friends in Illinois and Texas had already decided the fate of gun control for this country. I was fed up.

    I am a web developer by trade. My blog averages 30 or 40 hits a week and suddenly, I was getting hundreds of views on this article. Business Insider picked it up and wanted to interview me. Because I am weary of what the media will write, I wrote the follow up article “I’m a hypocrite…” where I explained the reason I own an AK-74 was for fun and proposed that mandatory training should be the only regulation we need. Fox News emailed me this morning and posted my blog post on their site (with an incorrect title). And now I’m averaging 150 hits a minute.

    What I wrote was a reaction to both the arguments for gun control and for concealed weapons. Both arguments have flaws and I wanted to rationalize the issues with both. If you’re looking for my position, it’s the one where I have a 9mm Sig on my hip and an AK-74 in my hands.

    And yes, I know an AK isn’t an assault rifle. I’m not an expert.

    My wife served six years in the Air Force, including time in wartime Bosnia. I applied to three different branches; I am unable to serve due to a medical condition. Saying that I don’t love the country, 2nd amendment, or freedom isn’t nice and it isn’t true. Now… please put yourself in the context of a Saturday night in a suburb of Denver and keep reading.

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    You can shutup about gun regulations and gun bans
    I own an assault rifle, two handguns, and a shotgun. And of course, I purchased them all legally. I have a college degree and I don’t have any criminal history beyond speeding tickets. If you’re looking at a background check, I’m no different than James Eagan Holmes. Compare resumes and you’ll pick him; he had a better GPA than I did and actually pursued a higher education than I have.

    The difference between James Holmes and me is that one of us walked into a theater and murdered people. One of us wanted to make our home into a giant bomb to kill our neighbors. One of us values human life. There’s no law on the planet that will change how a man values the life of another. Outlaw online sales, assault rifles, guns, liquids over 3 ounces, and he still would find a way to murder.

    You can shutup about how concealed carry fixes everything
    Colorado isn’t much different from Texas as far as gun laws are concerned. In fact, Texas is the only state in the union where open carry is illegal ( the ability to carry a gun in public for all to see). Concealed carry is legal and fairly easy to obtain in the state of Colorado. In fact, my wife and I went through the class. Our course was taught by a police officer and firearms instructor; he was rarely qualified to educated us on conceal carry rules and the actual gun laws in Colorado.

    So here’s a few things you should know:

    ■It is perfectly legal to conceal a firearm in a movie theater in Colorado if you have a license
    ■Colorado concealed-carry classes aren’t required to be taught by law enforcement
    ■Colorado concealed-carry classes don’t require that you demonstrate proficiency with a fire arm
    ■Colorado concealed-carry classes don’t require that you even shoot a firearm
    You can shutup about how things would have been different if someone had a gun
    I’ve fired and used guns my whole life. I don’t claim to be an expert or even overly proficient. And though I have shot a few thousand rounds in my life, I don’t think that would matter for me or others in this situation. So here’s what you soon-to-be heroes with conceal weapons permits should know:

    ■You’re not Jason Bourne, Jack Bauer, or Bruce Wayne. Situational awareness takes training that you don’t get as a civilian. You won’t recognize a threat until it’s too late.
    ■Unless you’ve trained with the exact weapons system you’re carrying, you’ll you could miss. It takes hundreds of hours with a firearm to really be proficient. Do you know what you’d do if it jams? Can you reload before the last round leaves your chamber? How many rounds in your magazine? Have you even practiced drawing your weapon if it’s concealed? Now think about doing this in a firefight.
    ■Proficiency deteriorates without practice. When was the last time you fired your gun? Police and military practice regularly for their jobs. You do it irregularly for fun.
    ■A thousand hours on the range aren’t the same as a hundred seconds in a real shootout. Can you recognize the threat, obtain a site picture, and neutralize the target with a gun pointed at you? Police and military don’t just learn how to do this once, they actually train in these situations.
    ■There’s a solid chance you won’t even pull the trigger. There is huge psychological trauma associated with taking a life. Estimates are that between 1/3rd and 1/4th of guns on the battlefield in WWII were never shot. There are even police officers and soldiers who have been killed because they didn’t have what it took to kill.
    ■Even if you train with your gun, you do it until you get it right. Police and military do it until they don’t get it wrong. You’re just not ready like they are to use your gun. Your reaction may not be the same as someone who’s trained for this.
    I really don’t care what you think could have been different
    Real people died. This isn’t the time to run your mouth about politics and gun control. And while my friends are alive and well, some of their friends and family aren’t so lucky. This is real to me.

    So yeah…I’m betting that 100% of people getting shot would like to have a way to protect themselves. Not one person there was thinking, “I wish it were harder to get an assault rifle…maybe we should repeal the 2nd amendment.” They were running for their lives and praying for deliverance. Every person there wanted a way to end the violence. This is about surviving a shootout, not repealing guns.

    I don’t give two craps what you think you would have done if you were there. You weren’t. Hundreds of others were. They could have been armed, and maybe some were. Just a gun isn’t enough. Even if you’re police or military, there’s a difference between training for this and experiencing it. Unless you’ve experienced a fire-fight, shut up.

    Just shutup about Colorado
    I live in the Denver area, and not very far from Aurora. On July 20th I woke up with the news and was scared for the lives of my church family. I’m not affected nearly in the same way these victims are. But I may meet these victims and their families. My wife may go to work with people who were there. Families of victims may visit my church. This isn’t something that happened on the news. This is something that happened where I live.

    I could have been there. I could have had a gun. I could have done something.

    But I wasn’t there.I wouldn’t have had a gun (because I don’t have my license yet), and I don’t have a clue what I would have done.

    So all I can do is shutup and pray. So should you.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    So all I can do is shutup and pray. So should you.

    except he didn't did he? ... :lol: ... everyone has an opinion - seems absurd to write a piece telling people to shut up and post it for the world to see ...
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    I can appreciate some of the points he makes, but find the overall article rather arrogant.
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