Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    hedonist wrote:
    And then we have this one.
    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08 ... e-say?lite
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    Hero Complex.
    Do any of us feel safer that these 'heroes' are out to 'protect' us... or does it raise our level of anxiety knowing there is some random fucking stranger with knives and guns on him? How do we know if he is there to protect us... or kill us?
    If you are that fucking paranoid in public... to go everywhere with guns and shit. Please, stay home. Use NetFlicks.
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    Just weird that people think they need such armement, that a 'gun room' is just as normal as the spare bedroom for your friends. :?

    With much stricter gun laws and regulations across the board, socio-economic factors need to be looked at as well. Along with the 'rules' the root of the problem needs to be tackled as well. As was said by several people, are we so disillusioned, without hope for the future that gun accumulation is a 'need', whether because it's cool, fun, exciting, paranoia, for 'protection', etc.?
  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    redrock wrote:
    "Fenton would have had to have serious concerns to break confidentiality with her patient to reach out to the police officer or others, the sources said. Under Colorado law, a psychiatrist can legally breach a pledge of confidentiality with a patient if he or she becomes aware of a serious and imminent threat that their patient might cause harm to others. Psychiatrists can also breach confidentiality if a court has ordered them to do so."


    It's these cases CBG that one wonders if a change in the law could help by preventing these people from purchasing new firearms and/or immediately revoking a license (if it exists) and, at least until fully evaluated, confiscating such weapons - for their protection and protection of others. I'm sure a lot of people here would scream blue murder as it would be removing a 'right' but such actions could prevent lethal situations after. Allowing possible arsenals of weapons in the hands of known unstable people is just.. well... crazy!
    The quote isn't completely accurate. While technically the statement about confidentiality is true, if Fenton was part of the threat assessment team she could have shared some general information with other members of the team. The fact that she had been in contact with the team doesn't necessarily mean she had enough information about an imminent threat. It would determine what she could share though. What's stated in theory and what happens in practice often differs. I don't know the specifics of the case though.

    I absolutely agree. The VA Tech shooter was able to obtain a weapon even though he had a mental health history because he was mandated to outpatient treatment, not involuntary inpatient treatment. It just seems crazy to me that there are all of these people that are literally teetering on the edge, and yet they can still stockpile weapons. As I've mentioned before, I've met with numerous people who have no criminal history and no serious mental health diagnosis, who could easily and legally obtain a weapon. Yet if I were to be charged with evaluating them and giving my stamp of approval, that stamp would say "HELL NO!!!" I've had to provide clearance for people before they can get plastic surgery or gastric bypass, but not an AR-15? Seems insane.
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    chadwick wrote:
    just to clear the air here... i could take out helicopter with probably just about any gun that could go through a bit of metal or fiberglass.

    Would you have to be a very good shot then? Or just close enough and lucky? Of course, being a responsible gun owner you would be fully trained in this art!
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    Thanks for the clarification CBG.

    Crazy about the go ahead for the surgery but not bothering about guns....
  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    Cosmo wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    And then we have this one.
    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08 ... e-say?lite
    ...
    Hero Complex.
    Do any of us feel safer that these 'heroes' are out to 'protect' us... or does it raise our level of anxiety knowing there is some random fucking stranger with knives and guns on him? How do we know if he is there to protect us... or kill us?
    If you are that fucking paranoid in public... to go everywhere with guns and shit. Please, stay home. Use NetFlicks.
    Well as long as he doesn't come toting a bag of nickels, we're good :P Seriously, if this becomes the norm, I'm going to find a job that lets me work from home and never leave the house again. I don't want this asshat protecting me.
    redrock wrote:
    Just weird that people think they need such armement, that a 'gun room' is just as normal as the spare bedroom for your friends. :?

    With much stricter gun laws and regulations across the board, socio-economic factors need to be looked at as well. Along with the 'rules' the root of the problem needs to be tackled as well. As was said by several people, are we so disillusioned, without hope for the future that gun accumulation is a 'need', whether because it's cool, fun, exciting, paranoia, for 'protection', etc.?

    It really is insanity. My friend's husband has a gun room, and at least 30 guns at last count. She told me one morning she forgot the alarm was on and accidentally set it off one morning while she was getting ready in the bathroom. She hears her husband getting his gun from the nightstand (responsible gun ownership :roll: ) and has to scream "It's just me!) Needless to say I've only been to their house once in 7 years.

    I agree redrock. Are people really this terrified that they can't go about their day without being armed to the hilt?
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Cosmo wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    And then we have this one.
    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08 ... e-say?lite
    ...
    Hero Complex.
    Do any of us feel safer that these 'heroes' are out to 'protect' us... or does it raise our level of anxiety knowing there is some random fucking stranger with knives and guns on him? How do we know if he is there to protect us... or kill us?
    If you are that fucking paranoid in public... to go everywhere with guns and shit. Please, stay home. Use NetFlicks.
    Hero complex - and just plain sick fucks. Kinda disappointed in Twitter on this, too.
    http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=748951
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    hedonist wrote:
    Hero complex - and just plain sick fucks. Kinda disappointed in Twitter on this, too.
    http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=748951

    Wouldn't have thought that Twitter could have said no! Would have also thought the authorities could get that info in a matter of minutes if they wanted to.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    redrock wrote:
    Just weird that people think they need such armement, that a 'gun room' is just as normal as the spare bedroom for your friends. :?

    With much stricter gun laws and regulations across the board, socio-economic factors need to be looked at as well. Along with the 'rules' the root of the problem needs to be tackled as well. As was said by several people, are we so disillusioned, without hope for the future that gun accumulation is a 'need', whether because it's cool, fun, exciting, paranoia, for 'protection', etc.?
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    I don't have a problem with gun collectors... like old hunting rifles and even old military rifles like the M-1 or German Mauser rifle (but, no machine guns, bazookas, flame throwers, mortars). I have always like the German P08 luger and Walther P38. I can see them as collectors items.
    I still think they all need to be registered, though. They can be as lethal and any modern gun.
    Now, if you are collecting a bunch of current military type semi-automatic rifles... like if you have 7 AR-15s. You have to go through some sort of screening or training or something. Because, really... how many deer are you going to be shooting with those things?
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    hedonist wrote:
    Hero complex - and just plain sick fucks. Kinda disappointed in Twitter on this, too.
    http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=748951
    ...
    Not sure what is more disturbing... the story itself or the posted comments.
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    Hail, Hail!!!
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    I'm sure there are lots collectors that have a passion for antique guns and that have their 'gun room' for display, with this gun room secure (as you say, most could still be in perfect working order) but what we have seen recently with those stockpiling arsenals is that they are not 'collectors' in that sense!
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    Cosmo wrote:
    Not sure what is more disturbing... the story itself or the posted comments.
    Yep.. some pretty disturbing ones....
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    redrock wrote:
    I'm sure there are lots collectors that have a passion for antique guns and that have their 'gun room' for display, with this gun room secure (as you say, most could still be in perfect working order) but what we have seen recently with those stockpiling arsenals is that they are not 'collectors' in that sense!
    ...
    Ever seen 'Doomsday Preppers' on the cable T.V?
    Funny, pathetic and frieghtening at the same time.
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    Hail, Hail!!!
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    I watched a bit from a couple of episodes. You can't tell me these people are 'all there'. I don't care what adults do to themselves, but present that kind of paranoia to their kids and make them live it? How can these have a normal life as adults??? It is very scary because you just don't know what these kind of people can be up to. What they might perceive as a threat and therefore perhaps take drastic action with the weapons they are stockpiling.

    Can I say 'only in America' or will I get blasted for that? ;)
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    comebackgirl wrote:
    It really is insanity. My friend's husband has a gun room, and at least 30 guns at last count.

    What does he do with all these guns? Use them all? Hunts? Target shoots?

    Or are his guns what shoes are to my daughter? 'But they're sooooooo nice! What will you wear them with? I don't know but they're sooooooooooooooooooo pretty! They're Iron Fist!'
     30 pairs of shoes are obviously less lethal than 30 guns (though mind those stilettos!)
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    redrock wrote:
    I watched a bit from a couple of episodes. You can't tell me these people are 'all there'. I don't care what adults do to themselves, but present that kind of paranoia to their kids and make them live it? How can these have a normal life as adults??? It is very scary because you just don't know what these kind of people can be up to. What they might perceive as a threat and therefore perhaps take drastic action with the weapons they are stockpiling.

    Can I say 'only in America' or will I get blasted for that? ;)
    ...
    The fire power some of those groups of people yielded could take out a lot of smaller police and sheriff forces. A lot of them had way more powerful weapons.
    ...
    My personal favorite: The gal that was waiting for the day when the oil supplies were depleted. Her plan was to shoot her pet cat in the head, grab her 60 pound pack and weapons and walk 20 miles to a bug-out vehicle... and DRIVE to Mexico. The gas would be scarce or gone, and she was planning to drive to Mexico.
    Yeah, her destination, that rock of stability... Mexico.
    She needs to rent 'Mad Max' and see what people would do for a Ford F-150 with extra tanks of gasoline.
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    Hail, Hail!!!
  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    redrock wrote:
    comebackgirl wrote:
    It really is insanity. My friend's husband has a gun room, and at least 30 guns at last count.

    What does he do with all these guns? Use them all? Hunts? Target shoots?

    Or are his guns what shoes are to my daughter? 'But they're sooooooo nice! What will you wear them with? I don't know but they're sooooooooooooooooooo pretty! They're Iron Fist!'
     30 pairs of shoes are obviously less lethal than 30 guns (though mind those stilettos!)
    He doesn't hunt, so I'm not sure what he really does with them. I know he goes targeting shooting, but I can't imagine he'd need 30 different guns for that. She told me he has a "summer gun" (easier to conceal) and a "winter gun" (bulkier) so I guess he has a permit to carry. She said he will spend hours at night locked in his office looking at different guns online and she wishes he was into something normal, like porn :lol: He's a sketchy kind of guy so I might be a bit biased about him anyway. It concerns me that he keeps a loaded weapon in their nightstand too.

    I completely understand the shoe thing though, but I mean having 30 pairs of shoes just makes perfect rational sense :| :oops: :lol:
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  • comebackgirl
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    Cosmo wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    I watched a bit from a couple of episodes. You can't tell me these people are 'all there'. I don't care what adults do to themselves, but present that kind of paranoia to their kids and make them live it? How can these have a normal life as adults??? It is very scary because you just don't know what these kind of people can be up to. What they might perceive as a threat and therefore perhaps take drastic action with the weapons they are stockpiling.

    Can I say 'only in America' or will I get blasted for that? ;)
    ...
    The fire power some of those groups of people yielded could take out a lot of smaller police and sheriff forces. A lot of them had way more powerful weapons.
    ...
    My personal favorite: The gal that was waiting for the day when the oil supplies were depleted. Her plan was to shoot her pet cat in the head, grab her 60 pound pack and weapons and walk 20 miles to a bug-out vehicle... and DRIVE to Mexico. The gas would be scarce or gone, and she was planning to drive to Mexico.
    Yeah, her destination, that rock of stability... Mexico.
    She needs to rent 'Mad Max' and see what people would do for a Ford F-150 with extra tanks of gasoline.
    Ok...all I saw was "shoot her pet cat in the head" :shock: :cry: She's fucked :evil:
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  • redrock
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    Shoot her pet cat in the head :shock: :o :shock:

    There are so many nutters around and all of these can have any type of weapon, and as many as they want. I think I would prefer to 'live' Mad Max than be caught amongst those!
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    comebackgirl wrote:
    She said he will spend hours at night locked in his office looking at different guns online and she wishes he was into something normal, like porn :lol: :
    :lol::lol::lol:

    comebackgirl wrote:
    It concerns me that he keeps a loaded weapon in their nightstand too.
    Yep. An alarmed gun room... well... maybe. But a loaded weapon in the nightstand? :nono: Let's just hope that one day he doesn't 'snap' and decide to use those weapons in a 'dramatic' way.
    comebackgirl wrote:
    I completely understand the shoe thing though, but I mean having 30 pairs of shoes just makes perfect rational sense :| :oops: :lol:
    I think so too. :mrgreen:
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