I just expressed that it came somewhat of a surprise to me that you spoke so strongly in the post where you presented the case. I don't know you very well... but if you remember correctly... I jumped to your defence a few months back on this very forum. There is nothing personal between you and I- I don't subscribe to your way of thinking as it relates to several of the topics within this particular thread- no big deal... it's allowed.
You are clearly 'in the minority' when it comes to sympathizing with James Holmes. I would speculate that the numbers are overwhelmingly in favour of a really quick trial and execution. Regardless, you are welcome to your position and we don't need to revisit this topic in too much depth- we've done that already ad nauseum.
I have studied Columbine (followed the case when it happened... read the book, Columbine, which was excellent). Those boys were 'outcasts' for lack of better word, but that doesn't excuse their actions. It is the shits that kids cannot treat each other more fairly, but I have never felt any pity for Eric and Dylan. Kids are cruel, school is cruel, life is cruel... but that doesn't give someone a license to go wreak havoc on innocents as an expression of their rage. If anything, target your specific adversaries... not helpless girls hiding in a library, praying to their lord as they stare down the barrel. No... those boys are where they need to be.
I do remember we share a similar opinion on the legalizing all drugs nonsense.
And no nothing personal at all then or now.
I am clearly in the minority on most subjects so that does not surprise me.
That does not surprise me either the bloodlust for James Holmes.
But it does sadden me knowing mental illness and it's victims.
The link I posted certainly was something I had never read and painted them harshly
as never being victimized by bullying. How I feel about revenge killing goes along
with those who prey on others, as I posted earlier, in most cases.
I do think though the Columbine shooters may have been very ill,
what came first the ill or the bullying I don't know.
I have also known some extremely depressed people and life was not valued, their own or others,
paying back society was a common threat while moving towards suicide.
Another shooting today
Someone pulled out a gun and started laying waste
Nonexistent laws to blame?
That would be in poor taste
Just another day
Just another day
Just another day
In the USA
Condemn the killer
Ignore how it was done
Law abiders shouldn’t have to suffer
All because of the actions of one
Just another day
Just another day
Just another day
In the USA
Where did my rights go?
Right to life is just for show?
From my cold dead hands is how it goes
Stray bullet in my head, dirt between my toes
Did you write this from the lady's perspective who died two days ago here in my neighboring
town. Shot dead in cold blood by a criminal fleeing her home. Totally defenseless she was,
senselessly shot for what... fun?
Her Grandma watched her bleed out and die.
i just want a more peaceful earth that's all. seems to me women are more peaceful. men in power seem to be war mongers and the like.
for y'alls information... i'd never vote in michele bachman or that screwy ass sarah palin. those two woman are fulla poop six ways from sunday. they aren't good leaders and they sure aren't peaceful... at least palin sure isn't peaceful. she murders wolves & bears for entertainment purposes. i would imagine sara palin collects firearms like some collect bubble gum baseball cards
Another shooting today
Someone pulled out a gun and started laying waste
Nonexistent laws to blame?
That would be in poor taste
Just another day
Just another day
Just another day
In the USA
Condemn the killer
Ignore how it was done
Law abiders shouldn’t have to suffer
All because of the actions of one
Just another day
Just another day
Just another day
In the USA
Where did my rights go?
Right to life is just for show?
From my cold dead hands is how it goes
Stray bullet in my head, dirt between my toes
Did you write this from the lady's perspective who died two days ago here in my neighboring
town. Shot dead in cold blood by a criminal fleeing her home. Totally defenseless she was,
senselessly shot for what... fun?
Her Grandma watched her bleed out and die.
It sounds like it could be her words...
I wish they could have done something to keep that gun out of the bad guys hand. I'm sure you agree that a cold blooded killer should not come to find himself with a gun as easily as I assume he did.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
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Chadwick - i want a woman president so bad it is unreal. i am convinced men are 90% useless
g under p -The women of the board what say you......do you agree with this? :corn:
I believe there's some truth to this.
I certainly believe that if there were more women 'around the table', there would be a bit more conciliation and peace. I am not saying men are useless - far from that. It's just a different way of thinking. The women with some power at the moment (or in recent past) are not what I call 'real' women - such as Merkel, Thatcher, etc. These are women 'being' men in a man's world.
Edit - sorry my quoting went all wrong so I did it some other way - hope I got is right!
Therefore you see how quick a woman's ingenuity, they will always think or figure out a way to solve a problem.
The number of women world leaders are growing as we speak and even in this country we WILL have a woman as President one day maybe soon.
Things have steadlily improved in Jamaica under the leadership of Portia Simpson Miller
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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Another shooting today
Someone pulled out a gun and started laying waste
Nonexistent laws to blame?
That would be in poor taste
Just another day
Just another day
Just another day
In the USA
Condemn the killer
Ignore how it was done
Law abiders shouldn’t have to suffer
All because of the actions of one
Just another day
Just another day
Just another day
In the USA
Where did my rights go?
Right to life is just for show?
From my cold dead hands is how it goes
Stray bullet in my head, dirt between my toes
your writing?
it's frickin awesome
i love the ending, "stray bullet in my head, dirt between my toes"
just another day
just another day
just another day
in the u.s.a.
yes, I wrote it 5 minutes ago after I read about the latest shooting at Texas A&M.
Very nice, you see all have this talent something just has to hit a cord within our soul-inner beings and writings such as this comes forth. Awesome baby...easy peasy Japaneasy :thumbup: .
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Did you write this from the lady's perspective who died two days ago here in my neighboring
town. Shot dead in cold blood by a criminal fleeing her home. Totally defenseless she was,
senselessly shot for what... fun?
Her Grandma watched her bleed out and die.
It sounds like it could be her words...
I wish they could have done something to keep that gun out of the bad guys hand. I'm sure you agree that a cold blooded killer should not come to find himself with a gun as easily as I assume he did.
Thats is the crux of the problem, laws can't keep us safe or guns out of the hands of the bad guy...
why good guys need them.
My wish? she would have been she licensed to carry and that heartless killer
would be on his way to prison or shot dead. As it stands now he can kill again.
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Ban all ammo. 2nd amendment only says you can bear arms, not be overstocked on ammo!!
2nd, only allow weapons technology in civilian hands from the time this amendment was written.
That would certainly cut down gun accidents and mass shootings for sure.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Some people are just stronger than others, braver, it is in their make up to take control
of situations, to be prepared, trained. We see these folks, we are thankful when they are there,
with a gun or without.
In the world of sheep these stand out. They will protect their neighbors and even
a stranger when needed, risking their own lives because they know this is the
right thing to do.
Others know they must be able to protect themselves and their loved ones if the
need arises. They are aware of the very personal dangers or circumstances they live in
and are prepared as they see fit.
Then there are some who are unprepared, untrained and weak ...
with a gun or without,they will be a victim when the time comes,
a victim of their own stupidity or of someone else's.
I must have misunderstood your words here.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
...
He wasn't unprepared or weak... it must have been his own stupidity that got him killed.
...
Come on... pay attention.
and that 65 yr old civilian. He was stupid unprepared AND weak for getting capped in this situation. he should have known that cop was going to serve an eviction at that moment and the guy in the house would start shooting.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
Did you write this from the lady's perspective who died two days ago here in my neighboring
town. Shot dead in cold blood by a criminal fleeing her home. Totally defenseless she was,
senselessly shot for what... fun?
Her Grandma watched her bleed out and die.
It sounds like it could be her words...
I wish they could have done something to keep that gun out of the bad guys hand. I'm sure you agree that a cold blooded killer should not come to find himself with a gun as easily as I assume he did.
Thats is the crux of the problem, laws can't keep us safe or guns out of the hands of the bad guy...
why good guys need them.
My wish? she would have been she licensed to carry and that heartless killer
would be on his way to prison or shot dead. As it stands now he can kill again.
So I gather you must not be a good guy since you apparently don't own or carry a gun. Therefore this very same crime could happen to you. Also just because one has a gun doesn't automatically means things are going to turn out the way you've stated..it is not as easy as you think.
crux of the problem, laws can't keep us safe or guns out of the hands of the bad guy...
why good guys need them.
Yet when it's suggested to have more checks on internet purchases you appear not care for simple checks and balances of waiting period, registration and background checks. You appear to say that will take away guns from innocent victims.
So it appears you're saying everybody who is a good guy make it easier for them to get guns because the bad guys no matter who they may potentially be can always get their guns. OKay
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Very nice, you see all have this talent something just has to hit a cord within our soul-inner beings and writings such as this comes forth. Awesome baby...easy peasy Japaneasy :thumbup: .
Peace
I wouldn't say writing songs is easy (I've written hundreds), but this one sort of wrote itself over the past 100+ pages.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Very nice, you see all have this talent something just has to hit a cord within our soul-inner beings and writings such as this comes forth. Awesome baby...easy peasy Japaneasy :thumbup: .
Peace
I wouldn't say writing songs is easy (I've written hundreds), but this one sort of wrote itself over the past 100+ pages.
I know it's not easybut i just wanted to say east peasy Japaneasy.
peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
So I gather you must not be a good guy since you apparently don't own or carry a gun. Therefore this very same crime could happen to you.
Peace
just so you don't have to endure another post of :fp: , I'll answer this for her: she says she doesn't carry, but then not-so-cryptically says that doesn't mean she isn't prepared.
in other words, her husband/offspring/dog/goldfish packs heat.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
crux of the problem, laws can't keep us safe or guns out of the hands of the bad guy...
why good guys need them.
Yet when it's suggested to have more checks on internet purchases you appear not care for simple checks and balances of waiting period, registration and background checks. You appear to say that will take away guns from innocent victims.
So it appears you're saying everybody who is a good guy make it easier for them to get guns because the bad guys no matter who they may potentially be can always get their guns. OKay
Peace
Laws that don't exist definitely can't keep us safe. As you say g under p, just a few minor changes to the law (which will not have ANY impact on 'responsible, law abiding gun owners') could make a difference. Licensed dealers need to do those checks - why not make ALL arms dealers licensed (internet or not, shows or not) with private sales going via licensed brokers. No skin off the 'responsible, law abiding' person - on the contrary - I would think these people would welcome anything that would make their 'hobby' more responsible. Wanna bet that this shooter was a legal gun owner? (Yes... I know... we don't know anything about this person yet, I'm speculating, etc. but looking back at these kind of shootings, most are with legally obtained firearms). Of course, just this wouldn't keep ALL guns out of bad guys' hands (whatever 'bad guys' may be) and those that do not have criminal records (or recorded mental issues), etc but would help towards that goal. It would make it more difficult for the 'everyday' petty thief to get one... Virtual anonymity can only benefit those with 'intention'.
I think he's saying that by locking your doors you can't claim you are not living in fear, otherwise, why would you lock them?
the difference being, DS, is that locking your doors has no potential to harm anyone. Oh, and stop using the car anology. you are free to use it again if someone drives their vehicle into a shopping mall with the express intent of mowing people down 60 times in one year.
Sorry. Won't stop using the car analogy until it stops making logical sense. Or until it becomes harder to obtain a driver's license and vehicle than it does a firearm. These are very tragic stories...and I feel for those involved, I do, but I'm still waiting for the stories about legal fireamrs that didn't cause any harm yesterday. Also, why is no one in arms that 6 people were killed yesterday in a DWI accident in Albany?
Thai Senator Mistakenly Shot And Killed His Secretary With An Uzi During Lunch
A Thai senator accidentally shot his cousin dead as he tried to put away the 9mm submachine gun that he had placed on the table during a family meal, police said on Monday.
Boonsong Kowawisarat fatally injured Chanakarn Detkard, 46, when he mistakenly fired the Uzi at a private dining area of the Garden Resort, in Phrae province, northern Thailand, on Sunday evening.
Same thing almost happened to me last Thanksgiving. Someone passed me the stuffing and I was looking for a place to set it down and that pesky Uzi was taking up space next to the mashed potatoes, so ....
Worldwide news if this was in the US and yet even ignored for several pages in this thread. :fp: Let's concentrate World on the US! When the World stops focusing on the US then I know we are in trouble.
Also, why is no one in arms that 6 people were killed yesterday in a DWI accident in Albany?
Because the topic of this thread is 'shootings' and not car accidents.
But shit...3 times more people were killed in one illegal car accident here in this shit hole of a city than by the highly publicized shooting yesterday? I just wonder how many more were killed in a DWI accident yesterday across the country? I would have to think at least one. :fp: Oh my God...ban the cars and stop this senseless violence!!!!
Some people are just stronger than others, braver, it is in their make up to take control
of situations, to be prepared, trained. We see these folks, we are thankful when they are there,
with a gun or without.
In the world of sheep these stand out. They will protect their neighbors and even
a stranger when needed, risking their own lives because they know this is the
right thing to do.
Others know they must be able to protect themselves and their loved ones if the
need arises. They are aware of the very personal dangers or circumstances they live in
and are prepared as they see fit.
Then there are some who are unprepared, untrained and weak ...
with a gun or without,they will be a victim when the time comes,
a victim of their own stupidity or of someone else's.
I must have misunderstood your words here.
Do you see a contradiction here...
the fact you would compare the two statements is foolishness.
Obviously a trained first responder police officer has a plan... yes?
go back and read the explanation I have given for my words...
it is about being prepared, trained ,responsible, have a plan whether you own a gun or not...
oh and lock the doors too
how many times does one need to explain before some get it? The same few refuse to understand and twist words
but the fact they make light of this man dying...
a hero, speaks volumes of them.
Comments
And no nothing personal at all then or now.
I am clearly in the minority on most subjects so that does not surprise me.
That does not surprise me either the bloodlust for James Holmes.
But it does sadden me knowing mental illness and it's victims.
The link I posted certainly was something I had never read and painted them harshly
as never being victimized by bullying. How I feel about revenge killing goes along
with those who prey on others, as I posted earlier, in most cases.
I do think though the Columbine shooters may have been very ill,
what came first the ill or the bullying I don't know.
I have also known some extremely depressed people and life was not valued, their own or others,
paying back society was a common threat while moving towards suicide.
wow this has to be one of the most insensitive posts I have ever read
as a policeman losses his life :? good lord
way to go an all new low... :fp:
and twisting words and thoughts of course
He was a brave first responder .... thought and prayers to his loved ones.
town. Shot dead in cold blood by a criminal fleeing her home. Totally defenseless she was,
senselessly shot for what... fun?
Her Grandma watched her bleed out and die.
It sounds like it could be her words...
for y'alls information... i'd never vote in michele bachman or that screwy ass sarah palin. those two woman are fulla poop six ways from sunday. they aren't good leaders and they sure aren't peaceful... at least palin sure isn't peaceful. she murders wolves & bears for entertainment purposes. i would imagine sara palin collects firearms like some collect bubble gum baseball cards
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I wish they could have done something to keep that gun out of the bad guys hand. I'm sure you agree that a cold blooded killer should not come to find himself with a gun as easily as I assume he did.
Therefore you see how quick a woman's ingenuity, they will always think or figure out a way to solve a problem.
The number of women world leaders are growing as we speak and even in this country we WILL have a woman as President one day maybe soon.
http://www.filibustercartoons.com/chart ... eaders.php
Things have steadlily improved in Jamaica under the leadership of Portia Simpson Miller
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Ban all ammo. 2nd amendment only says you can bear arms, not be overstocked on ammo!!
2nd, only allow weapons technology in civilian hands from the time this amendment was written.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Very nice, you see all have this talent something just has to hit a cord within our soul-inner beings and writings such as this comes forth. Awesome baby...easy peasy Japaneasy :thumbup: .
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
why good guys need them.
My wish? she would have been she licensed to carry and that heartless killer
would be on his way to prison or shot dead.
As it stands now he can kill again.
That would certainly cut down gun accidents and mass shootings for sure.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
He wasn't unprepared or weak... it must have been his own stupidity that got him killed.
...
Come on... pay attention.
Hail, Hail!!!
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
So I gather you must not be a good guy since you apparently don't own or carry a gun. Therefore this very same crime could happen to you. Also just because one has a gun doesn't automatically means things are going to turn out the way you've stated..it is not as easy as you think.
Yet when it's suggested to have more checks on internet purchases you appear not care for simple checks and balances of waiting period, registration and background checks. You appear to say that will take away guns from innocent victims.
So it appears you're saying everybody who is a good guy make it easier for them to get guns because the bad guys no matter who they may potentially be can always get their guns. OKay
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I wouldn't say writing songs is easy (I've written hundreds), but this one sort of wrote itself over the past 100+ pages.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
so hows about you clarify your "unprepared or weak" statement you made several pages back?
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I know it's not easybut i just wanted to say east peasy Japaneasy.
peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
just so you don't have to endure another post of :fp: , I'll answer this for her: she says she doesn't carry, but then not-so-cryptically says that doesn't mean she isn't prepared.
in other words, her husband/offspring/dog/goldfish packs heat.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/au ... ficer-dead
Texas gunman dies after police officer and civilian bystander are shot dead
At least two other police officers and one civilian also wounded in exchange of fire at house near Texas A&M University
.....
Sorry. Won't stop using the car analogy until it stops making logical sense. Or until it becomes harder to obtain a driver's license and vehicle than it does a firearm. These are very tragic stories...and I feel for those involved, I do, but I'm still waiting for the stories about legal fireamrs that didn't cause any harm yesterday. Also, why is no one in arms that 6 people were killed yesterday in a DWI accident in Albany?
Worldwide news if this was in the US and yet even ignored for several pages in this thread. :fp: Let's concentrate World on the US!
Because the topic of this thread is 'shootings' and not car accidents.
But shit...3 times more people were killed in one illegal car accident here in this shit hole of a city than by the highly publicized shooting yesterday? I just wonder how many more were killed in a DWI accident yesterday across the country? I would have to think at least one. :fp: Oh my God...ban the cars and stop this senseless violence!!!!
the fact you would compare the two statements is foolishness.
Obviously a trained first responder police officer has a plan... yes?
go back and read the explanation I have given for my words...
it is about being prepared, trained ,responsible, have a plan whether you own a gun or not...
oh and lock the doors too
how many times does one need to explain before some get it?
The same few refuse to understand and twist words
but the fact they make light of this man dying...
a hero, speaks volumes of them.