Well I slept with my sliders open last night so I could enjoy the breeze...and they're often open so my cats can bird and squirrel watch; we've already established that not only are my car doors frequently unlocked, they are sometimes left wide open (thanks Zoso :wave: ) so that proves what? That I should have a gun/not have a gun? That I cant' or shouldn't feel safe without a gun? That I'm more logical/less logical than someone that has one? I'm lost on the logic here. I think the original point was that he said he doesn't want to live his life in fear and I don't think either of us does. There may be a *touch* of ADHD going on though
I think he's saying that by locking your doors you can't claim you are not living in fear, otherwise, why would you lock them?
the difference being, DS, is that locking your doors has no potential to harm anyone. Oh, and stop using the car anology. you are free to use it again if someone drives their vehicle into a shopping mall with the express intent of mowing people down 60 times in one year.
Ahhh ok. Well too much ADHD in my house for that example to apply. I'd feel less safe with a gun in my house, given that's stats on gun accidents, etc.
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Another question (can't help myself): if it is shown that this 'thug piece of shit' has a mental illness... would you have a change of heart towards him?
What kind of mental illness...
was he depressed?
was he delusional?
does he have a mental capacity challenge?
I would say 2 out of 3 there I would, as far as classic depression I would think that would not be
sufficient explanation of his actions, in my opinion.
I think instead though he just doesn't value that woman's life.
There was no reason to shoot her as he was getting away
I think it was a case of just plain cold blooded heartlessness.
Hope they catch the guy do an evaluation and get the jury ready,
I hope life in prison no chance for release.
I still think buying a gun is living in fear and a very irrational thing to do when gun accidents occur etc. Sure if this person had a gun that was tragically gunned down MAY have saved her life but it may have not also.
Would you like to know how many gun owners I know and have known personally
in my 56 years?
More people that do than that don't for sure.
Do you know how many children collectively they have?
Never not once were any of these people or their children a victim of a gun accident ...
zip none never ever
why?
because they are responsible people with a plan.
We have an element in our society that get their guns on the street illegally
then keep them on the kitchen table while doing their Jack shots
on a Saturday evening. Every Sunday morning their are numerous shootings
because someone was stupid and thoughtless.
But nothing is said about the countless thoughtful who own guns responsibly,
they don't make the news you see.
Given minimal restrictions on access to weapons and the proliferation of guns in your country... I'm afraid you're right, Pandora. If you can't beat 'em... then you may as well join them! I'm serious when I say this. If your country refuses to address the problem and simply accepts some of these events as an unfortunate spinoff for the right you wish to maintain, then get yourself armed and ready!
Is there a better solution than this though?
Another question (can't help myself): if it is shown that this 'thug piece of shit' has a mental illness... would you have a change of heart towards him?
If you are planning on having the military or the police storming your house, you are most likely the problem... right? You can easily fend off an intruder with a 9mm pistol. Unless there is an army of intruders storing your gates, you don't need 2,000 rounds of ammo.
...
Well, except in the case of the Zombie Apocalypse.
The family at Ruby Ridge unjustly had militarized police storm their ranch so I don't think we should be making assumptions that if the military or police are storming your house you are the problem. Many times, those in power have abused that power and unjustly, or even incorrectly, stormed someone's house.
Given minimal restrictions on access to weapons and the proliferation of guns in your country... I'm afraid you're right, Pandora. If you can't beat 'em... then you may as well join them! I'm serious when I say this. If your country refuses to address the problem and simply accepts some of these events as an unfortunate spinoff for the right you wish to maintain, then get yourself armed and ready!
Is there a better solution than this though?
Another question (can't help myself): if it is shown that this 'thug piece of shit' has a mental illness... would you have a change of heart towards him?
fantastic question
Yes, will there be ANY empathy if that criminal is deemed to have a mental illness even though at the moment he's considered by her a *thug piece of shit*?
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By now I would think you guys would know my consistency and stop questioning it..
It is quite clear the Aurora shooter is mentally ill, numerous experts agree and he was
being treated for schizophrenia :fp:
his crime also speaks volumes of his mental state as do the witnesses who have said
he looked at the walls and ceiling dazed as he used his weapon.
Now here is your everyday thug who broke into a house in an upscale neighborhood
to steal another's valuables.
History tells us much about these criminals, common sense even more
if people choose to use it.
Was he on drugs? or otherwise impaired?
This could be a likely scenario because he certainly did not need
to make the decision to shoot.
His life was not endanger, he was safe so perhaps if he is not just a piece of shit
perhaps he is a victim of drug addiction.
Again most of those posters who have replied expressed no sadness
or anger for this tragedy.
I wonder why?
More interested in my empathy or lack there of towards the criminal...
hmmmm.... :wtf:
Come on now. I will assume I am one of those posters you are referring to. It should come as no surprise that I think death is too good for the prick in the scenario you presented. Schizophrenic, drunk, high, stupid, or whatever his deal was- he's worthless. As you said, a 'thug piece of shit'. Although unexpressed in my question to you, I have a ton of empathy for any victim... and zero for any asshole who commits a violent crime. This will never change. Never. Once crossing the line and deliberately injuring or killing someone... go sleep with the worms.
What came as a surprise was your rather heightened insensitivity towards the thug. From afar, it at least appears that you are able to: review a crime scene, interpret spotty relevant history, and then come up with a clinical diagnosis for the subject. Afterwards, you seem fit to render your conclusion based on what your 'hunch' is telling you.
It's hard to do what you do- hate some and feel compassion for others based on a 'feel' you get for the criminal and their particular state of being. But, at least for the moment, let's rejoice in our shared enthusiasm for this particular prick to experience difficult times for his cold and senseless act. We have not been on common ground very often.
By now I would think you guys would know my consistency and stop questioning it..
It is quite clear the Aurora shooter is mentally ill, numerous experts agree and he was
being treated for schizophrenia :fp:
his crime also speaks volumes of his mental state as do the witnesses who have said
he looked at the walls and ceiling dazed as he used his weapon.
Now here is your everyday thug who broke into a house in an upscale neighborhood
to steal another's valuables.
History tells us much about these criminals, common sense even more
if people choose to use it.
Was he on drugs? or otherwise impaired?
This could be a likely scenario because he certainly did not need
to make the decision to shoot.
His life was not endanger, he was safe so perhaps if he is not just a piece of shit
perhaps he is a victim of drug addiction.
Again most of those posters who have replied expressed no sadness
or anger for this tragedy.
I wonder why?
More interested in my empathy or lack there of towards the criminal...
hmmmm.... :wtf:
The psychiatrist in the Aurora case hasn't released any information yet due to a gag order. It's still unclear in what capacity she had contact with the shooter and I don't think a diagnosis has been confirmed yet. His crime is not all that different from what happened at Columbine. Eric Harris is presumed to have been a sociopath, Dylan Klebold most likely had depression according to reviews of his journal. Someone not impaired with a severe mental illness apparently can be quite capable of committing an act like this.
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Given minimal restrictions on access to weapons and the proliferation of guns in your country... I'm afraid you're right, Pandora. If you can't beat 'em... then you may as well join them! I'm serious when I say this. If your country refuses to address the problem and simply accepts some of these events as an unfortunate spinoff for the right you wish to maintain, then get yourself armed and ready!
Is there a better solution than this though?
Another question (can't help myself): if it is shown that this 'thug piece of shit' has a mental illness... would you have a change of heart towards him?
Yes, will there be ANY empathy if that criminal is deemed to have a mental illness even though at the moment he's considered by her a *thug piece of shit*?
peace
Peace
By now I would think you guys would know my consistency and stop questioning it..
It is quite clear the Aurora shooter is mentally ill, numerous experts agree and he was
being treated for schizophrenia :fp:
his crime also speaks volumes of his mental state as do the witnesses who have said
he looked at the walls and ceiling dazed as he used his weapon.
Now here is your everyday thug who broke into a house in an upscale neighborhood
to steal another's valuables.
History tells us much about these criminals, common sense even more
if people choose to use it.
Was he on drugs? or otherwise impaired?
This could be a likely scenario because he certainly did not need
to make the decision to shoot.
His life was not endanger, he was safe so perhaps if he is not just a piece of shit
perhaps he is a victim of drug addiction.
Again most of those posters who have replied expressed no sadness
or anger for this tragedy.
I wonder why?
More interested in my empathy or lack there of towards the criminal...
hmmmm.... :wtf:
Since you think so, get over yourself I'll question you all I want you don't have to answer.
With that analysis of that particular crime you NEED go work with detectives Columbo or Banacek.
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Ten people were shot, three of them killed, Sunday in a day of violence in Boston that shook neighborhoods in Dorchester and Roslindale and left police searching for answers.
Four females were shot Sunday night while they sat in a vehicle parked on Harlem Street. Two of the victims died at the scene, said Cheryl Fiandaca, spokeswoman for the Boston Police Department. A third was in serious condition and the fourth was shot in the leg, a wound not believed to be life-threatening.
Early Sunday in Roslindale, a man in his 30s was killed and three other men were injured in a shooting, according to Boston police.
Fiandaca also said that two more people were shot Sunday night in the area of 156 Columbia Road. Their injuries were not life-threatening. The two Dorchester shootings Sunday night were not connected, she said.
....
How would any of these deaths and injuries happened without guns?
Something tells me those were illegally obtained weapons which is a whole separate issue. :? How many people were killed in Boston yesterday by legally obtained cars vs. legally obtained weapons?
Pretty much all of the illegal weapons on the streets started out as legally obtained weapons.
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Come on now. I will assume I am one of those posters you are referring to. It should come as no surprise that I think death is too good for the prick in the scenario you presented. Schizophrenic, drunk, high, stupid, or whatever his deal was- he's worthless. As you said, a 'thug piece of shit'. Although unexpressed in my question to you, I have a ton of empathy for any victim... and zero for any asshole who commits a violent crime. This will never change. Never. Once crossing the line and deliberately injuring or killing someone... go sleep with the worms.
What came as a surprise was your rather heightened insensitivity towards the thug. From afar, it at least appears that you are able to: review a crime scene, interpret spotty relevant history, and then come up with a clinical diagnosis for the subject. Afterwards, you seem fit to render your conclusion based on what your 'hunch' is telling you.
It's hard to do what you do- hate some and feel compassion for others based on a 'feel' you get for the criminal and their particular state of being. But, at least for the moment, let's rejoice in our shared enthusiasm for this particular prick to experience difficult times for his cold and senseless act. We have not been on common ground very often.
I think perhaps you have not known me long here, I am consistent with empathy for victims.
I have no sensitivity when motive is to prey upon another human being for gain, for thrill,
for sexual fulfillment etc. Who could?
Mental illness is another matter completely most especially thought disorder like schizophrenia.
These people are victims also.
It is common sense not a hunch, though yes, I rely heavily on intuition in my life.
Having lived well over two thirds now, I have found it to be a guiding voice.
I was clearly, am clearly, not alone in my view of James Holmes either.
What I am most afraid of he will fry even though he is not responsible.
I would like to see him, as in the Gifford shooting, get forced treatment then life in prison
for his crime that was committed while in a delusional state, if this is found to be the case.
As far as Columbine, I believe at least one of the shooters was terribly bullied and motive was
revenge... to make others pay for their thoughtless behavior that ruined his life.
Could this be mental illness? ... it very well could be.
I have not studied that case but remember clearly because my kids were of that age.
It could have been them, both victim and shooter. As a parent all I had was understanding
and compassion for all in that tragedy.
By now I would think you guys would know my consistency and stop questioning it..
It is quite clear the Aurora shooter is mentally ill, numerous experts agree and he was
being treated for schizophrenia :fp:
his crime also speaks volumes of his mental state as do the witnesses who have said
he looked at the walls and ceiling dazed as he used his weapon.
Now here is your everyday thug who broke into a house in an upscale neighborhood
to steal another's valuables.
History tells us much about these criminals, common sense even more
if people choose to use it.
Was he on drugs? or otherwise impaired?
This could be a likely scenario because he certainly did not need
to make the decision to shoot.
His life was not endanger, he was safe so perhaps if he is not just a piece of shit
perhaps he is a victim of drug addiction.
Again most of those posters who have replied expressed no sadness
or anger for this tragedy.
I wonder why?
More interested in my empathy or lack there of towards the criminal...
hmmmm.... :wtf:
The psychiatrist in the Aurora case hasn't released any information yet due to a gag order. It's still unclear in what capacity she had contact with the shooter and I don't think a diagnosis has been confirmed yet. His crime is not all that different from what happened at Columbine. Eric Harris is presumed to have been a sociopath, Dylan Klebold most likely had depression according to reviews of his journal. Someone not impaired with a severe mental illness apparently can be quite capable of committing an act like this.
You being the expert,
I'm sure if you ever draw a conclusion, as you did in the case of someone here
you might think perhaps the sociopath was the leader,
the planner, the depressed boy just a follower or maybe the truth lies here
Come on now. I will assume I am one of those posters you are referring to. It should come as no surprise that I think death is too good for the prick in the scenario you presented. Schizophrenic, drunk, high, stupid, or whatever his deal was- he's worthless. As you said, a 'thug piece of shit'. Although unexpressed in my question to you, I have a ton of empathy for any victim... and zero for any asshole who commits a violent crime. This will never change. Never. Once crossing the line and deliberately injuring or killing someone... go sleep with the worms.
What came as a surprise was your rather heightened insensitivity towards the thug. From afar, it at least appears that you are able to: review a crime scene, interpret spotty relevant history, and then come up with a clinical diagnosis for the subject. Afterwards, you seem fit to render your conclusion based on what your 'hunch' is telling you.
It's hard to do what you do- hate some and feel compassion for others based on a 'feel' you get for the criminal and their particular state of being. But, at least for the moment, let's rejoice in our shared enthusiasm for this particular prick to experience difficult times for his cold and senseless act. We have not been on common ground very often.
I think perhaps you have not known me long here, I am consistent with empathy for victims.
I have no sensitivity when motive is to prey upon another human being for gain, for thrill,
for sexual fulfillment etc. Who could?
Mental illness is another matter completely most especially thought disorder like schizophrenia.
These people are victims also.
It is common sense not a hunch, though yes, I rely heavily on intuition in my life.
Having lived well over half now I have found it to be a guiding voice.
I was clearly, am clearly, not alone in my view of James Holmes either.
What I am most afraid of he will fry even though he is not responsible.
I would like to see him, as in the Gifford shooting, get forced treatment then life in prison
for his crime that was committed while in a delusional state, if this is found to be the case.
As far as Columbine, I believe at least one of the shooters was terribly bullied and motive was
revenge... to make others pay for their thoughtless behavior that ruined his life.
Could this be mental illness? ... it very well could be.
I have not studied that case but remember clearly because my kids were of that age.
It could have been them, both victim and shooter. As a parent all I had was understanding
and compassion for all in that tragedy.
I just expressed that it came somewhat of a surprise to me that you spoke so strongly in the post where you presented the case. I don't know you very well... but if you remember correctly... I jumped to your defence a few months back on this very forum. There is nothing personal between you and I- I don't subscribe to your way of thinking as it relates to several of the topics within this particular thread- no big deal... it's allowed.
You are clearly 'in the minority' when it comes to sympathizing with James Holmes. I would speculate that the numbers are overwhelmingly in favour of a really quick trial and execution. Regardless, you are welcome to your position and we don't need to revisit this topic in too much depth- we've done that already ad nauseum.
I have studied Columbine (followed the case when it happened... read the book, Columbine, which was excellent). Those boys were 'outcasts' for lack of better word, but that doesn't excuse their actions. It is the shits that kids cannot treat each other more fairly, but I have never felt any pity for Eric and Dylan. Kids are cruel, school is cruel, life is cruel... but that doesn't give someone a license to go wreak havoc on innocents as an expression of their rage. If anything, target your specific adversaries... not helpless girls hiding in a library, praying to their lord as they stare down the barrel. No... those boys are where they need to be.
By now I would think you guys would know my consistency and stop questioning it..
It is quite clear the Aurora shooter is mentally ill, numerous experts agree and he was
being treated for schizophrenia :fp:
his crime also speaks volumes of his mental state as do the witnesses who have said
he looked at the walls and ceiling dazed as he used his weapon.
Now here is your everyday thug who broke into a house in an upscale neighborhood
to steal another's valuables.
History tells us much about these criminals, common sense even more
if people choose to use it.
Was he on drugs? or otherwise impaired?
This could be a likely scenario because he certainly did not need
to make the decision to shoot.
His life was not endanger, he was safe so perhaps if he is not just a piece of shit
perhaps he is a victim of drug addiction.
Again most of those posters who have replied expressed no sadness
or anger for this tragedy.
I wonder why?
More interested in my empathy or lack there of towards the criminal...
hmmmm.... :wtf:
The psychiatrist in the Aurora case hasn't released any information yet due to a gag order. It's still unclear in what capacity she had contact with the shooter and I don't think a diagnosis has been confirmed yet. His crime is not all that different from what happened at Columbine. Eric Harris is presumed to have been a sociopath, Dylan Klebold most likely had depression according to reviews of his journal. Someone not impaired with a severe mental illness apparently can be quite capable of committing an act like this.
You being the expert,
I'm sure if you ever draw a conclusion, as you did in the case of someone here
you might think perhaps the sociopath was the leader,
the planner, the depressed boy just a follower or maybe the truth lies here
I have read some different accounts but I think mental illness was a driving force personally
in the Columbine massacre.
And no I don't think it was in the case of the thug who just took a beautiful life
here in my neighboring town. I think it was for personal gain.
Having not met or evaluated him, I cannot be an expert on his mental health. The experts who have met with him and who may have evaluated him have not released information, so none of that has been confirmed at this point and shouldn't be discussed as fact.
Yeah, there have been differing assessments of what may have happened in the Columbine case. Unfortunately we don't have any clear answers so it's all speculation about what may have happened, who may have been the leader, etc. My point is that crimes like this happen and there does not have to be a psychotic disorder at play; sometimes a depressive disorder may be the only sort of mental illness involved
What kind of mental illness...
was he depressed?
was he delusional?
does he have a mental capacity challenge?
I would say 2 out of 3 there I would, as far as classic depression I would think that would not be
sufficient explanation of his actions, in my opinion.
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That was the MOST irratating thing about him and heart pounding cause it usually led to that person being caught. Loved the show, remember how sloppy Columbo was i wonder if that led to the neatness of the crime solver Monk?
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
(CNN) -- Police took a man into custody Monday after "multiple people" were shot near Texas A&M University, a police official said.
Several law enforcement officers were among the people shot, Rhonda Seaton of the College Station Police Department told CNN. She didn't have information on how many people were shot or their conditions.
She said a person identified as the gunman was in custody. The shooting happened about one block from campus, Seaton said.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
I guess if people were carrying, they would have been able to 'take action' before the police got there (remember... it takes ages for cops to arrive) and 'get the guy' who, obviously had illegal weapons (because no responsible gun owner would do such a thing), unless he was mentally ill but not diagnosed yet... :roll:
So... another one - third that made the news since this thread started. I'm sure many other shootings have not made national news....
Those ones get to me the most (well, this one was just off campus, so not the same, but it reminds me), because I work at a university, and deal with students who are dealing with really difficult circumstances including metal illness all the time, and not only that, but I'm in a position where sometimes I have to give bad news to these people, i.e., sorry, I can't accommodate what you're asking, and therefore your are going to flunk out. There is a small part of me that's worried someone will snap at my university. I've met several who definitely seemed to be teetering on the edge of some kind of breakdown. Chances are it's all good... but these university rampages are still scary to hear about!
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Yeah, there have been differing assessments of what may have happened in the Columbine case. Unfortunately we don't have any clear answers so it's all speculation about what may have happened, who may have been the leader, etc. My point is that crimes like this happen and there does not have to be a psychotic disorder at play; sometimes a depressive disorder may be the only sort of mental illness involved
What kind of mental illness...
was he depressed?
was he delusional?
does he have a mental capacity challenge?
I would say 2 out of 3 there I would, as far as classic depression I would think that would not be
sufficient explanation of his actions, in my opinion.
Those ones get to me the most (well, this one was just off campus, so not the same, but it reminds me), because I work at a university, and deal with students who are dealing with really difficult circumstances including metal illness all the time, and not only that, but I'm in a position where sometimes I have to give bad news to these people, i.e., sorry, I can't accommodate what you're asking, and therefore your are going to flunk out. There is a small part of me that's worried someone will snap at my university. I've met several who definitely seemed to be teetering on the edge of some kind of breakdown. Chances are it's all good... but these university rampages are still scary to hear about!
These get to me too. I'm assuming a lot of students would have lived in the off-campus housing near where this happened. We actually had a shooting in my office several years ago. A student shot and killed another student. It's very scary when you come in contact with people who are teetering on that edge.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Yeah, there have been differing assessments of what may have happened in the Columbine case. Unfortunately we don't have any clear answers so it's all speculation about what may have happened, who may have been the leader, etc. My point is that crimes like this happen and there does not have to be a psychotic disorder at play; sometimes a depressive disorder may be the only sort of mental illness involved
What kind of mental illness...
was he depressed?
was he delusional?
does he have a mental capacity challenge?
I would say 2 out of 3 there I would, as far as classic depression I would think that would not be
sufficient explanation of his actions, in my opinion.
geez is this still going on?!?!?
Apparently I'm just going to start cutting and pasting my answers.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
this bullshit is getting out of control. i am scared for anyone at any age whom is attending school or working there. maybe scared isn't the best choice of word...
concerned, worried, and so on... yep... scared. if i were a parent i would be insane about this shit.
i attened some college. the pressure does exist. some snap. i personally loved the pressure and tackled it head on and studied my ass off. i guess some get under that pressure and decide to shoot people. :shock:
why not flirt with some hot ass chicks?
i'm freakin out! school's hard as shit! think i'll off a lot of innocent lives for shits and giggles because i'm a useless turd :crazy:
this bullshit is getting out of control. i am scared for anyone at any age whom is attending school or working there. maybe scared isn't the best choice of word...
concerned, worried, and so on... yep... scared. if i were a parent i would be insane about this shit.
i attened some college. the pressure does exist. some snap. i personally loved the pressure and tackled it head on and studied my ass off. i guess some get under that pressure and decide to shoot people. :shock:
why not flirt with some hot ass chicks?
i'm freakin out! school's hard as shit! think i'll off a lot of innocent lives for shits and giggles because i'm a useless turd :crazy:
School IS hard...
Discovered that when I took a 300 level class my Freshman year and failed the midterm... which was the first grade of the semester... coming with a little over a month left in the semester. Worked my ass off, read a lot of material, presented and discussed well in class and finished two more large papers. And I reached out for help... Had someone edit my final paper for me... He used to post here, WaveRyder, WaveRider, or something was his name on here. He's a Journalist... helped a lot... especially with a very picky grader for a professor I had.
And I get the pleasure of having another class with her next semester.
Never once did I think of shooting up the campus....
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"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
was he depressed?
was he delusional?
does he have a mental capacity challenge?
I would say 2 out of 3 there I would, as far as classic depression I would think that would not be
sufficient explanation of his actions, in my opinion.
I think instead though he just doesn't value that woman's life.
There was no reason to shoot her as he was getting away
I think it was a case of just plain cold blooded heartlessness.
Hope they catch the guy do an evaluation and get the jury ready,
I hope life in prison no chance for release.
in my 56 years?
More people that do than that don't for sure.
Do you know how many children collectively they have?
Never not once were any of these people or their children a victim of a gun accident ...
zip none never ever
why?
because they are responsible people with a plan.
We have an element in our society that get their guns on the street illegally
then keep them on the kitchen table while doing their Jack shots
on a Saturday evening. Every Sunday morning their are numerous shootings
because someone was stupid and thoughtless.
But nothing is said about the countless thoughtful who own guns responsibly,
they don't make the news you see.
The family at Ruby Ridge unjustly had militarized police storm their ranch so I don't think we should be making assumptions that if the military or police are storming your house you are the problem. Many times, those in power have abused that power and unjustly, or even incorrectly, stormed someone's house.
It is quite clear the Aurora shooter is mentally ill, numerous experts agree and he was
being treated for schizophrenia :fp:
his crime also speaks volumes of his mental state as do the witnesses who have said
he looked at the walls and ceiling dazed as he used his weapon.
Now here is your everyday thug who broke into a house in an upscale neighborhood
to steal another's valuables.
History tells us much about these criminals, common sense even more
if people choose to use it.
Was he on drugs? or otherwise impaired?
This could be a likely scenario because he certainly did not need
to make the decision to shoot.
His life was not endanger, he was safe so perhaps if he is not just a piece of shit
perhaps he is a victim of drug addiction.
Again most of those posters who have replied expressed no sadness
or anger for this tragedy.
I wonder why?
More interested in my empathy or lack there of towards the criminal...
hmmmm.... :wtf:
Come on now. I will assume I am one of those posters you are referring to. It should come as no surprise that I think death is too good for the prick in the scenario you presented. Schizophrenic, drunk, high, stupid, or whatever his deal was- he's worthless. As you said, a 'thug piece of shit'. Although unexpressed in my question to you, I have a ton of empathy for any victim... and zero for any asshole who commits a violent crime. This will never change. Never. Once crossing the line and deliberately injuring or killing someone... go sleep with the worms.
What came as a surprise was your rather heightened insensitivity towards the thug. From afar, it at least appears that you are able to: review a crime scene, interpret spotty relevant history, and then come up with a clinical diagnosis for the subject. Afterwards, you seem fit to render your conclusion based on what your 'hunch' is telling you.
It's hard to do what you do- hate some and feel compassion for others based on a 'feel' you get for the criminal and their particular state of being. But, at least for the moment, let's rejoice in our shared enthusiasm for this particular prick to experience difficult times for his cold and senseless act. We have not been on common ground very often.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Since you think so, get over yourself I'll question you all I want you don't have to answer.
With that analysis of that particular crime you NEED go work with detectives Columbo or Banacek.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I adore Columbo ... had a crush growing up, cute as a bugs ear
he's always right huh?
I think perhaps you have not known me long here, I am consistent with empathy for victims.
I have no sensitivity when motive is to prey upon another human being for gain, for thrill,
for sexual fulfillment etc. Who could?
Mental illness is another matter completely most especially thought disorder like schizophrenia.
These people are victims also.
It is common sense not a hunch, though yes, I rely heavily on intuition in my life.
Having lived well over two thirds now, I have found it to be a guiding voice.
I was clearly, am clearly, not alone in my view of James Holmes either.
What I am most afraid of he will fry even though he is not responsible.
I would like to see him, as in the Gifford shooting, get forced treatment then life in prison
for his crime that was committed while in a delusional state, if this is found to be the case.
As far as Columbine, I believe at least one of the shooters was terribly bullied and motive was
revenge... to make others pay for their thoughtless behavior that ruined his life.
Could this be mental illness? ... it very well could be.
I have not studied that case but remember clearly because my kids were of that age.
It could have been them, both victim and shooter. As a parent all I had was understanding
and compassion for all in that tragedy.
I'm sure if you ever draw a conclusion, as you did in the case of someone here
you might think perhaps the sociopath was the leader,
the planner, the depressed boy just a follower or maybe the truth lies here
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 ... yths_N.htm
I have read some different accounts but I think mental illness was a driving force personally
in the Columbine massacre.
And no I don't think it was in the case of the thug who just took a beautiful life
here in my neighboring town. I think it was for personal gain.
I just expressed that it came somewhat of a surprise to me that you spoke so strongly in the post where you presented the case. I don't know you very well... but if you remember correctly... I jumped to your defence a few months back on this very forum. There is nothing personal between you and I- I don't subscribe to your way of thinking as it relates to several of the topics within this particular thread- no big deal... it's allowed.
You are clearly 'in the minority' when it comes to sympathizing with James Holmes. I would speculate that the numbers are overwhelmingly in favour of a really quick trial and execution. Regardless, you are welcome to your position and we don't need to revisit this topic in too much depth- we've done that already ad nauseum.
I have studied Columbine (followed the case when it happened... read the book, Columbine, which was excellent). Those boys were 'outcasts' for lack of better word, but that doesn't excuse their actions. It is the shits that kids cannot treat each other more fairly, but I have never felt any pity for Eric and Dylan. Kids are cruel, school is cruel, life is cruel... but that doesn't give someone a license to go wreak havoc on innocents as an expression of their rage. If anything, target your specific adversaries... not helpless girls hiding in a library, praying to their lord as they stare down the barrel. No... those boys are where they need to be.
Yeah, there have been differing assessments of what may have happened in the Columbine case. Unfortunately we don't have any clear answers so it's all speculation about what may have happened, who may have been the leader, etc. My point is that crimes like this happen and there does not have to be a psychotic disorder at play; sometimes a depressive disorder may be the only sort of mental illness involved
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Yeah and.... oh, just one more thing...
I love that guy!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Yup.
I hear ya.
That was the MOST irratating thing about him and heart pounding cause it usually led to that person being caught. Loved the show, remember how sloppy Columbo was i wonder if that led to the neatness of the crime solver Monk?
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
(CNN) -- Police took a man into custody Monday after "multiple people" were shot near Texas A&M University, a police official said.
Several law enforcement officers were among the people shot, Rhonda Seaton of the College Station Police Department told CNN. She didn't have information on how many people were shot or their conditions.
She said a person identified as the gunman was in custody. The shooting happened about one block from campus, Seaton said.
#TEXAS U/D #BREAKING MASS SHOOTING: OVER 100 ROUNDS OF AUTOMATIC GUN FIRE REPORTED. 2 OFFICERS DOWN. GUN FIRE STILL BEING REPORTED. #911BUFF
Again. Those completely necessary automatic weapons.
So... another one - third that made the news since this thread started. I'm sure many other shootings have not made national news....
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
concerned, worried, and so on... yep... scared. if i were a parent i would be insane about this shit.
i attened some college. the pressure does exist. some snap. i personally loved the pressure and tackled it head on and studied my ass off. i guess some get under that pressure and decide to shoot people. :shock:
why not flirt with some hot ass chicks?
i'm freakin out! school's hard as shit! think i'll off a lot of innocent lives for shits and giggles because i'm a useless turd :crazy:
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
School IS hard...
Discovered that when I took a 300 level class my Freshman year and failed the midterm... which was the first grade of the semester... coming with a little over a month left in the semester. Worked my ass off, read a lot of material, presented and discussed well in class and finished two more large papers. And I reached out for help... Had someone edit my final paper for me... He used to post here, WaveRyder, WaveRider, or something was his name on here. He's a Journalist... helped a lot... especially with a very picky grader for a professor I had.
And I get the pleasure of having another class with her next semester.
Never once did I think of shooting up the campus....