Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

ComeToTX · August 2012

redrock wrote:

Stumbled upon this site - the Brady Campaign. Lots of info there. Yes, it's a campaign for stricter controls so not 'neutral' but it has a lot of pertinent and relevant info (such as the gun laws in Colorado from my previous post)
http://www.bradycampaign.org/about/

Says it all.

But, but guns stop 8 billion murders to old ladies each night! :roll:

redrock · August 2012

ComeToTX wrote:

But, but guns stop 8 billion murders to old ladies each night! :roll:

2.5m

Let's not exagerate!

Cosmo · August 2012

redrock wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

But, but guns stop 8 billion murders to old ladies each night! :roll:

2.5m Let's not exagerate!

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I think I remember that during my research (which consisted of reading about something I think I heard about on FOX News), that the true number is closer to one million,zillion and 5ive.

redrock · August 2012

JonnyPistachio wrote:

She had a handgun bought legally and was responsible..

Was she? Being responsible is keeping your gun 'safe' in the home (avoids accidental use of firearms - such as kids getting their hands on them - GUN SAFETY!). It would seem the loaded weapon was kept under her pillow. Hardly responsible gun ownership, is it?

redrock · August 2012

Cosmo wrote:

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I think I remember that during my research (which consisted of reading about something I think I heard about on FOX News), that the true number is closer to one million,zillion and 5ive.

Damn.. my sources must be wrong then. Let's start a media frenzy and a panic!

dimitrispearljam · August 2012

redrock wrote:

Stumbled upon this site - the Brady Campaign. Lots of info there. Yes, it's a campaign for stricter controls so not 'neutral' but it has a lot of pertinent and relevant info (such as the gun laws in Colorado from my previous post)
http://www.bradycampaign.org/about/

9.484???in one year??

omg...

how many soldiers usa lost the last 20 years??..iraq,avganistan etc??
i bet less..

Cosmo · August 2012

redrock wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

She had a handgun bought legally and was responsible..

Was she? Being responsible is keeping your gun 'safe' in the home (avoids accidental use of firearms - such as kids getting their hands on them - GUN SAFETY!). It would seem the loaded weapon was kept under her pillow. Hardly responsible gun ownership, is it?

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It's responsible because the 27 times the gun has discharged in the past, the bullet never killed anyone. Scared the holy shit out of the cat, but, no death, no foul.

JonnyPistachio · August 2012

redrock wrote:

The following is the sad state of gun laws in Colorado:

No ban on assault weapons
No ban on high capacity ammunition clips
No registration
No gun owner licensing
No background checks for on line gun sales and other person to person gun transactions
No police discretion to determine who carries concealed handguns in public
No 'good cause' required for concealed carry permit applicants
No limit on the amount of handguns you can buy in one purchase

Good grief. Honestly, if people are still going to argue that these shouldnt at least be considered slightly dangerous, I will just have to give up. I cant respect the thought of going online and getting a 50 caliber sniper with no waiting or background check, and NOT register it to boot!

Again, the USA has, by far, the most guns in the world-- And a problem that correlates. Just using simple statistics, putting more guns out there cant be the only choice we have. :?

redrock wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

She had a handgun bought legally and was responsible..

Was she? Being responsible is keeping your gun 'safe' in the home (avoids accidental use of firearms - such as kids getting their hands on them - GUN SAFETY!). It would seem the loaded weapon was kept under her pillow. Hardly responsible gun ownership, is it?

I was unaware of the pillow thing.

Is that where they teach you to keep it in gun safety 101 class?
You know, I've been meaning to even question the elderly with weapons. Maybe Ms.Ruby was fine, but perhaps all weapons should be registered and once a person reaches a certain age, they must re-register after some health evaluations. A long time ago my Grandmothers handgun went off when she was showing it to her neighbor. Luckily no one was hurt. But my father confiscated the gun form her. Not too long after that, she was diagnosed with Alzheimers. Thats a scary thought.

redrock · August 2012

JonnyPistachio wrote:

....but perhaps all weapons should be registered and once a person reaches a certain age, they must re-register after some health evaluations. .

This is the kind of point that one needs to seriously look at. Not just for the aged, but also maybe for those that have had 'episodes' (see the thread about doctors asking patients about guns), those that have had a brush with the law, etc. And maybe just a regular check for any gun owner. Lots of talk about mental illness and those that 'slip through the net', etc. Maybe these kind of checks would help this as well. Gun licenses (when actually required :roll: ) are renewable licenses - why not do a bit more in-depth checks when renewing (and not just be able to do this my mail)? And revoke when necessary.

hedonist · August 2012

JonnyPistachio wrote:

You know, I've been meaning to even question the elderly with weapons. Maybe Ms.Ruby was fine, but perhaps all weapons should be registered and once a person reaches a certain age, they must re-register after some health evaluations. A long time ago my Grandmothers handgun went off when she was showing it to her neighbor. Luckily no one was hurt. But my father confiscated the gun form her. Not too long after that, she was diagnosed with Alzheimers. Thats a scary thought.

Totally agree with this. And it should pertain to driving as well!

pandora · August 2012

http://www.goodguyswin.org/NewsArchives ... icleid=836

http://www.american-partisan.com/cols/blanks/081400.htm

One very smart man with good common sense

dimitrispearljam · August 2012

JonnyPistachio wrote:

You know, I've been meaning to even question the elderly with weapons. Maybe Ms.Ruby was fine, but perhaps all weapons should be registered and once a person reaches a certain age, they must re-register after some health evaluations. A long time ago my Grandmothers handgun went off when she was showing it to her neighbor. Luckily no one was hurt. But my father confiscated the gun form her. Not too long after that, she was diagnosed with Alzheimers. Thats a scary thought.

i try to say earlier this in the thread,but your is in better english

Zoso · August 2012

hedonist wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

You know, I've been meaning to even question the elderly with weapons. Maybe Ms.Ruby was fine, but perhaps all weapons should be registered and once a person reaches a certain age, they must re-register after some health evaluations. A long time ago my Grandmothers handgun went off when she was showing it to her neighbor. Luckily no one was hurt. But my father confiscated the gun form her. Not too long after that, she was diagnosed with Alzheimers. Thats a scary thought.

Totally agree with this. And it should pertain to driving as well!

I know where you are coming from the this wouldn't stop the majority of mass shootings as hardly ever have they been done by anyone other then 20-40 year old white males.

fife · August 2012

pandora wrote:

http://www.goodguyswin.org/NewsArchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=836

http://www.american-partisan.com/cols/blanks/081400.htm

One very smart man with good common sense

ok, first off, this writer states no research for his findings. this is an opinion piece from a guy who you call smart as he just confirms your point.

I put another article a while back in this tread that showed a different opinion than your which i never saw you actually talk about.

also, i want to put another article up there and see what you think.

http://pediatrics.about.com/od/safety/a ... idents.htm

pandora · August 2012

Cosmo wrote:

hedonist wrote:

Good lord! I thought the disclaimer would've prevented a tone of a response.
You really think my or Cosmo's comments meant a desired wipeout of the now-infamous-on-the-AMT Miss Ruby?
So be it.

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Well... you gotta admit, at least the consistency is still there... missing the point 99.99917% of the time.
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The original comment was not so much directed at that old Ruby lady, rather, it was aimed more towards the never-ending, incessant, long, repetative re-hashed over-use of her story in order to support a position in a complicated, multi-faceted Constitutional discussion. It's like having a knitting needle plunged into my ear.
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Note: Having a knitting needle plunged into the ear is a figurative narration and does not imply that plunging a knitting needle into one's ear is neither recommended or condoned.
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Don't you hate it when you have to explain jokes to the ones whose head they fly over?

I know who and what it was directed at and why ...
good lord and really who is supposed to be dense?

as I said there is a very good reason for Miss Ruby's story to be told and reminded
that I guess escapes some, the same some that dismiss her life.

I haven't heard much about the Constitution here...
just a bunch who want other people to not be allowed to own a gun and protect themselves
because they don't like guns...

http://www.american-partisan.com/cols/blanks/081400.htm

In the end, there is really only one approach that has been found to significantly reduce crime and violence in the U.S. That method is based on enforcing our current laws against the violent felons that illegally possess firearms. It is those individuals, who have shown themselves incapable of responsibly owning a firearm, which should be the focus. Efforts in a number of U.S. cities and states have already begun using this tactic and the crime levels have immediately begun to fall. If one is truly interested in a reduction in violence and crime, then logic demands that our efforts be focused on those that commit the crimes.

it just makes to much sense for some I guess ...

redrock · August 2012

fife wrote:

ok, first off, this writer states no research for his findings. this is an opinion piece from a guy who you call smart as he just confirms your point.

Two very different things! Look at source as well...

Sad reading that article - I'm sure the list could go on for pages.

"In fact, one study showed that 85% of parents who owned guns did not practice safe gun storage." Wow....

fife · August 2012

redrock wrote:

fife wrote:

ok, first off, this writer states no research for his findings. this is an opinion piece from a guy who you call smart as he just confirms your point.

Two very different things! Look at source as well...

Sad reading that article - I'm sure the list could go on for pages.

"In fact, one study showed that 85% of parents who owned guns did not practice safe gun storage." Wow....

but at least we had 1 person save themselves by having a gun.

Cosmo · August 2012

pandora wrote:

good lord and really who is supposed to be dense?

"I haven't heard much about the Constitution here...
just a bunch who want other people to not be allowed to own a gun and protect themselves
because they don't like guns..."

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This pretty much sums it up and answers your own question.

redrock · August 2012

Zoso wrote:

I know where you are coming from the this wouldn't stop the majority of mass shootings as hardly ever have they been done by anyone other then 20-40 year old white males.

Not the mass shootings Zoso, but may reduce the deaths from 'responsibly and legally owned by law abiding citizens' firearms. These would be from accidental shootings, etc. Though as I mentioned, checks shouldn't just be for the aged.

Stronger gun laws would help those mass shootings (check out the ease of getting guns legally in Colorado!). Remember THREE QUARTER of mass shootings were with legally owned firearms (again owned by 'responsible, law abiding citizens).

It would be interesting to see RELIABLE and PROPERLY SOURCED statistics on how many 'illegal' guns are used by the 'bad guys' some keep on talking about in this thread compared those these same baddies may legally own.

Again, thinking about it if, following colorado laws one can be a legal owner of a gun with:

No registration
No gun owner licensing
No background checks for on line gun sales and other person to person gun transactions
No police discretion to determine who carries concealed handguns in public

Any bad guy can have a legally owned weapon, couldn't he?

Zoso · August 2012

redrock wrote:

fife wrote:

ok, first off, this writer states no research for his findings. this is an opinion piece from a guy who you call smart as he just confirms your point.

Two very different things! Look at source as well...

Sad reading that article - I'm sure the list could go on for pages.

"In fact, one study showed that 85% of parents who owned guns did not practice safe gun storage." Wow....

I'm not surprised.. parents shouldn't have guns anywhere near kids full stop.. but i THOUGHT THIS was a no brainer.. I guess for some people it is but not the majority.. people are going to be stupid but putting your kids life in danger with your stupidity is a whole other story.

Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

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